Gravitymaster

Not colder than a foxhole. Colder than the motherfucker shooting at you. Agreed, but not as simple as just playing a computer game. Anytime you are being directed to take lives in-mass, anyone with a bit of humanity would undergo a great deal of stress. Well, given that you obviously don't know shit from a good grade of peanut butter about either... AGAIN, the POINT is not the medal, but its ranking and the "whys." You know,.. Oh nevermind.,, And it's clear you can't comprehend any position but your own and take another view as an affront. Oh, well, not worthy of anything further.

He sounds a little mentally unstable. That's very understandable considering what he and his wife have had to go through. However, I do think that he should no be allowed to purchase a gun given his current mental state unless he undergo's a psychological exam. He could turn into a nutter.

Not colder than a foxhole. Colder than the motherfucker shooting at you. Agreed, but not as simple as just playing a computer game. Anytime you are being directed to take lives in-mass, anyone with a bit of humanity would undergo a great deal of stress.

Not colder than a foxhole. You are an expert in foxholes? How many foxholes have you been in?

Cold

The point of my post is there is obviously more mental anguish involved that you previously understood or you and others would not have been so demeaning towards them. What would John Wayne say?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REMOTE_WARFARE_STRESS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-11-03-49-30 LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AP) -- The gritty combat in Afghanistan is thousands of miles away. But the analysts in the cavernous room at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia relive the explosions, the carnage and the vivid after-battle assessments of the bombings over and over again. The repeated exposure to death and destruction rolling across their computer screens is taking its own special toll on their lives. The military has begun to grapple with the mental and emotional strains endured by personnel who may never come face to face with a Taliban insurgent, never dodge a roadside bomb or take fire, but who nevertheless may be responsible for taking human lives or putting their colleagues in mortal danger. Now, for the first time, an Air Force chaplain and a psychologist are walking the floor of the operations center at Langley, offering counseling and stress relief to the airmen who scrutinize the war from afar. Sitting at computer banks lining the expansive room, the Air Force analysts watch the video feeds streaming from surveillance drones and other military assets monitoring U.S. forces around the globe. Photos, radar data, full-motion video and electronically gathered intelligence flows across multiple screens. In 15- to 20-minute shifts, the airmen watch and interpret the information. Through chat windows, they exchange data, update intelligence reports and talk in real time with commanders on the ground, including troops whose lives may depend on the constant and rapid flow of information they get from Langley. For example, they may provide information that allows a commander to order an airstrike, but after the weapon is launched, the analysts might suddenly see that the insurgents are fleeing or that civilians or children are moving into the strike zone, and by then they are helpless to do anything about it. "If you have a 21-year-old playing a video game, when the game is over they start again. Here, if they miss a bad guy, that's what they carry with them," said Air Force Maj. Shauna Sperry, a psychologist who has just begun working with the air wing. They also often have to go over video of an incident repeatedly to assess the battle damage. "It's not a video game, it's real," said Capt. Robert Duplease, the chaplain assigned to the 497th Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Group. "It's repeated exposure to destruction and warfare. They see it, rewind it, see it, rewind it." The reality is spelled out in the list of daily mission assignments displayed on a multicolored chart cluttered with boxes, letters and numbers: where the missions are, what type of aircraft or sensors are being used, and which team of airmen is assigned to monitor each one. Two to seven analysts make up the teams that work at each workstation. "Here at Langley, there's nothing coming over the wall at us. That's a fact. No one with an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) is shooting at us, no mortars are coming in," Duplease said. "But they'll see something in a video feed that maybe they can't do anything to prevent. They have no power to intervene, but they have the repeated visual exposure to these things. They're constantly immersed in carnage, but it's not a video game. It's real." According to Duplease, the analysts may also have to cope with feelings of helplessness, frustration and regret watching an operation on the ground and see something happen - or see someone injured hurt or killed - and they couldn't do anything to prevent it. The airmen at Langley can't talk publicly about the details of their work because it's classified. "The stuff they're watching is crazier than the news cycle," Duplease said. "Life outside of here goes on, but life behind the veil is totally different and adjustments have to be made. Sometimes they have trouble with those adjustments." In fact, Sperry and Duplease suggested that not being on the front lines may actually contribute to the stress. "They are electronically in the fight in the deployed area every minute," Sperry said. "They make life and death decisions every day, then they go home and have to play mom or dad ... Sometimes things can be depressing for them." Troops fighting in Afghanistan, for example, only have to focus on the combat jobs they are doing, Duplease said. The airmen, on the other hand, spend 12 hours immersed in the fight, then go home to what are supposed to be normal lives. But they often can't talk about what they did or saw all day because the operations are classified. There is a slowly emerging recognition within the military that those combined pressures affect the troops who battle the war from afar in some of the same ways that strain forces on the front lines. The most recent public acknowledgement of the issue came recently when the Pentagon created a new medal for remote warfare personnel. But that has caused some resentment among traditional warriors because it is ranked above the Purple Heart or Bronze Star. The idea to put a chaplain inside the center came from unit commander Col. Mike Shortsleeve and other leaders who noticed that some members of the wing were having problems sleeping and that smoking, alcohol and behavioral issues were increasing. In surveys, airmen also suggested there was a need for having a chaplain in the unit. According to Duplease and Sperry, moving around the operations center during each day's 12-hour shifts helps get the troops more comfortable with their presence and encourage them to reach out for help. Duplease, who said he also attended mission briefings, said slowly people began to approach him and after about two months, the interactions really began to pick up. Many of the analysts are as young as 21, and may not yet have developed the ability to deal with the stress. And they worry that revealing their problems could prompt commanders to take away their security clearances or hurt their promotion opportunities. In response, Duplease and Sperry created sleep classes and counseling sessions, and they have scheduled retreats for married couples and singles to help instill relationship and coping skills. They also are assuring the airmen that to date no one there has lost his or her security clearance as a result of seeking any counseling or assistance. The success of the Langley program has prompted the Air Force to look at ways to replicate it at other locations around the country. "We are trying to be proactive rather than reactive," said Duplease. "We want to get ahead of things before become major issues."

With the wars winding down, the lucrative government contracts will diminish leaving a huge gap to be filled by civilian purchasers. The link I provided shows what can happen when a gun manufacturer pisses off those civilians. You are aware the article you posted was written in 2005, don't you? It has no bearing on S&W's gun sales in the future, which very likely will not be lucrative government contracts at the same volume level as the past 10 years.

Yeah right... Watch how fast one of them changes their position upon award of a one million dollar County, State or Federal contract. And, "Red Jacket?!?!?!" Gimmie a break. You know how much he does with County & State governments now? http://actionamerica.org/guns/swbetray.html

How do they know this?

I find it laughable that neither Democrats nor Republicans mind welfare when it goes to companies. American soldiers aren't so incompetent that they need 5X the resources of the second place country, 10X the second place in NATO, or 30X the nearest first world country with the same landmass and border length to defend us. OTOH, maybe companies like Lockheed-Martin are so incompetent that they do need the public assistance to survive in what would otherwise be closer to a capitalist country. I agree. I dislike welfare whether its for corporations or individuals. I have no problem with temporary assistance in the form of a loan when things go wobbly. But I am opposed to government intervention as an ongoing social program.

(I'm not the one you addressed the Q to, but) It's in the first sentence of the Preamble: I find it pretty laughable that left wingers like you think the founding fathers envisioned this country turning into a giant welfare state when they wrote the Constitution. Very occasionally I experiment with engaging you in reasonable conversation. Whatever. As I have told you before, don't bother.

(I'm not the one you addressed the Q to, but) It's in the first sentence of the Preamble: I find it pretty laughable that left wingers like you think the founding fathers envisioned this country turning into a giant welfare state when they wrote the Constitution.

I have my copy of the Constitution here in front of me. Can you point out the part that states what you believe is the proper role of government?

Saying that people 'add no value' demonstrates nothing other than ignorant bias. Is everyone supposed to 'add value' to society? I thought the country was about individual rights, not adding value..... Perhaps you could show me where that is in the Constitution. your opinion nothing more and just as worthless as my posts I expect. Well, you left wingers have no problem demanding people add value to society when it comes to forcing those who do well to pay more in taxes. Doing well and adding value are two quite different things. The bankers who trashed the economy last decade are doing well. Your logic is poor. Doing well allows someone to add value. Lefties like you want to force them to add value. Just like you ignored the amount of value to society Romney added by the $millions he gave away to charities.

Saying that people 'add no value' demonstrates nothing other than ignorant bias. Is everyone supposed to 'add value' to society? I thought the country was about individual rights, not adding value..... Perhaps you could show me where that is in the Constitution. your opinion nothing more and just as worthless as my posts I expect. Well, you left wingers have no problem demanding people add value to society when it comes to forcing those who do well to pay more in taxes.

Right, if we could just get a Balanced Budget Amendment passed, we'd be good to go, right?

Exactly. Because austerity and cuts in spending is working so well in Europe. Please present your solution.

Well, duh...we all know it's the governments responsibility to create jobs. If they shirk that responsibility, then they are clearly obligated to pay for food and housing for the unemployed.

"RACIST" There.... now any conversation is shut down.

Great, so we both agree that the less money government has to spend, the better off we all will be.

Proof once again that the people get the kind of government they deserve and are willing to work towards.

While that is true, it is not an excuse for taxing the extremely wealthy at a rate lower than many in the middle. The wealthiest 400 Americans paid an average of 19.9% in total federal taxes in the last year for which data are available. Most middle class taxpayers paid higher rates - possibly you did, I know I did. Great, lets lower all tax rates across the board to 19.9%. Would that make you happy? (I doubt it).

Now we need a race where the drivers take shots at each other. Call it the NRA 45.

And you clearly have issues far beyond anything that should be discussed in public. I truly hope you're getting professional help for them. Ever notice he says the exact same thing whenever he has no answer?