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Snowman, 28 VDC acft batts are big and heavy as they normally have to be capable of delivering high current to start and engine or an APU. There are small standby emergency power 28 VDC batteries, but even those are relatively large and heavy, about the volume of a quart of water. Lead acid and Nicad are the types you'll find approved for acft use. No need for Cooper to have 28 VDC batt to mimic a bomb. One or two 6 VDC carbon zinc dry cell lantern batts would do the job. The reason airplanes us 28 VDC instead of 12 VDC (like cars do) for their primary DC voltage is that for a given power (watts =volts x amps), the higher the voltage, the lower the amps and therefore smaller wire can be used saving LOTS of weight. The reason planes use 400 cycle AC instead of 60 cycle (like house current) is that the iron cores of AC transformers can be much lighter with higher frequencies. In aircraft electrical power design, it is all about saving weight. Oddly, there were a few WW2 C 47s (DC 3s) that had 12 volt electrical systems (listed as 14 VDC, the charging voltage for a 12 volt battery and what you'd see on the DC buss with the generators running). The vast majority had 28 VDC systems. Some Canadian built WW 2 fighters had 14 VDC systems which made their 16 mm film gun cameras highly sought after by skydivers in the days before videotape gear was affordable. Mike Swain figured this out early and bought up lots of them. He could fly with a 12 volt battery while his cohorts had to use bigger and heavier 24 volt batts to power their helmet mounted gun cameras. 377 well you confused me even more 377. Cooper obviously didn't have one or two 6 VDC dry cells. If you think a 6v dry cell matches Tina's description, then post a pic. And I don't know why you think 6v or 12v is more useful for a bomb detonation voltage. Aren't we agreeing the battery was for a fake bomb, so voltage doesn't matter? Illusion mattered more? In any case, I'll take it on belief that you're implying 2v cells were not commonly used on aircraft, and that if multiple cells were used, they were containerized in some way so that they wouldn't be separable. And in terms of "big and heavy" ...cylindrical 2v sealed lead acid batteries exist. See my pic. So I'll leave it that the battery in Cooper's bomb was probably a 1.5V #6 dry cell. (from Tina's description)

Thanks for the detail Jo. Clears up some things for me.

I just had a crazy idea that the "battery" in Cooper's fake bomb might not have been a 1.5v dry cell like Sluggo has put forward, if Cooper had aviation background. I'm wondering if it's an aviation battery of some kind, that maybe was in use in 1971. I have zero aviation knowledge, so am looking for feedback on whether this is just a screwy idea. I found this patent that talks about a precedent of fourteen 2v batteries used for 28v auxiliary aircraft power. One of those cells may have been Cooper's battery? http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=7&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4775826&OS=4775826&RS=4775826 Battery system for auxiliary aircraft power - US Patent 4775826 Prior battery packs for 28 volt auxiliary aircraft power, however, were usually composed of a bank of fourteen lead acid cells of 2 volts each. ... I've attached a modern picture of a 2v sealed lead-acid cell, which is what got me thinking about this.

"Center 405 unintelligible" Standard aviation radio calls start out 1) Who you're calling --"(Seattle) Center" 2) Who you are -- "(flight) 405" "20.9" would be an abbreviation for "120.9" the VHF frequency to which they might have been directed to change to contact the next controller. (edit) Good point itllclear. They may have used 20.9 as an abbreviation. Like "Center" as abbreviation for "Seattle Center". They may have been mentally rushed for some reason at that point. Yup. it makes sense now. Those interpretations hold water. I was half wondering if the oscillations started then and maybe distracted them, so radio communications were a little distorted. Was wondering about possible background noise due to oscillations, but I doubt there would have been a change in background air noise, since the cockpit door was closed. Right around then, a lot was going on I suppose in the cockpit. So seems reasonable that some communication may have been garbled, compared to other times.

on the last page of the new transcript (17) there is a communication at 0413:14 (8:13 PM, PST) It seems like it's right around the time were we're going to be looking for the pressure bump. "NW 305 Center four oh five (unintelligible) twenty point nine ten thousand" From the context, "ten thousand" seems to be an altitude report. But what is "Center 405 unintelligible" and "20.9" Are they reporting a belief that Cooper may have jumped? (maybe based on oscillations). That phrase and number(s) don't seem to appear anywhere else. In other places, numbers refer to radio frequencies, altitudes, or altimeter info. Usually you can tell from context. For instance VHF is being used, we'd expect them radio frequences to be >100 mhz, say... but that doesn't seem right for this particular report. 125.8 for instance is a frequency at 0433:36 133.9 is a frequency at 0359:10 (page 16) Note the exchange in question was already in the previously released transcripts on page 71..but Sluggo didn't decode it for us, I think? in his timeline?

Could that "date with Sasquatch" be Snow-code? Could it mean he is headed for the NW woods to dig something up? Yes definitely. One has to remember every single post that was ever made. When Sluggo first introduced it as a "meme", he also mentioned a height. Every detail matters. (edit) I was thinking it'd be funny if I was to show up on the forum with a picture of me standing on Tena Bar. :) Or maybe I'm going to bury a DZ.com banner with Sluggo's name on it at Tena Bar...Then everyone will know Sluggo was Cooper!

Snowman, You really think outside the box, which is a compliment. In this scenario Cooper could literally attend his own funeral. 377 Yes it's out there. I normally don't post anything or PM Jo anything that might continue to feed her thinking, just in case Jo grabs on to crazy thoughts too easily. But I've been surprised lately by a number of her posts and PMs to me, and I think she is quite the rational person, like she says. So I think it's fair to treat her like a normal person. I can throw out random thoughts with no evidence, and I'm sure she can dismiss them as necessary. I don't need to somehow protect her from random thoughts. She's a normal person.

and Im very close behind you. Got a date with a Sashquatch and I dont have 37 years more to wallow. weird..my timing is I'm going to be gone middle of next week. REPLY: Must axe. Did a shrink ask you if you thought about robbing banks? A guy I know who spent years in the Hanoi Hilton used to plan 'things'. Youth can also be confining, to some people. Exactly. It amazes me that some people might read what I wrote, and say "OBVIOUSLY A CROOK"...another might read and say "poor guy, I wonder why he was talking to a shrink" As you know, the thoughts that enter one's head when you read another's words, have at least 50% to do with what's in your own head.

Jo, I was thinking of some crazy theories about Duane. 1) Was he ever interviewed as a Cooper suspect back around '71-'76 before you met him, as John Collins? He might have picked up the idea that he was a cool Cooper suspect back then or: 2) If someone knew his past, and knew he would want to hide it and knew he liked money, could they have made a deal with him to have him do a fake deathbed confession. You have said before that sums of money seemed to appear ($100 bills I believe) of unknown origin. I'm wondering if all this circumstantial stuff you saw could have been arranged on purpose as part of a deal to throw suspicion wrongly on a dead guy. (Duane). As long as Duane got the money while he was alive for the deal, it might seem reasonable (to some people).

Thanks for the latest transcripts. I'm always amazed by how we can scrape and scrape and get new evidence. I think one of the myths was that there was no evidence "in the box". It's all about how you look at it, I think.

I hadn't realized Donald, OR was an interesting place (mentioned with Ted Mayfield in the new transcript). I like looking for related trivia, and how they used to talk about skydiving back then. Donald, OR must have been an interesting place back then? What's almost laughable, is how random facts got thrown together over the years to imply most anything anyone wanted...Hey Jim Lowe is a skydiving champ! get the cuffs, he's probably either a mass murderer or a hijacker. I don't know anything about Mayfield's criminal record, but I thought it was funny how they liked to say "criminal record" plus "skydiving champion" equals CONVICT HIM! Walla Walla Union Bulletin (Newspaper) - July 29, 1969, High-diving champion DONALD, Ore. (AP) Jim Lowe, a 29-year-old resident of this rural Marion County community, is the United States national sky-diving champion. He led all competitors last...

Western and American were talking merger in 1971 see below. Probably went thru? (edit) WAL was ? acronym in Sluggo's decoder ring above. WAL Continues to Grow With L.A. Los Angeles Times Sep 24 1961 Western Air Lines' move to new Los Angeles International Airport terminal facilities in the near future has special significance for the nation's senior airline--the only airline headquartered at Los Angeles. American Airlines, the 2d Biggest Domestic Line, Talks With Western; AIRLINES HOLDING TALKS ON MERGER New York Times - Oct 31, 1970 American Airlines, the nation's second largest domestic air carrier, and Western Air Lines, the sixth largest, announced yesterday that they were holding merger discussions. ... Western Air Lines net income for the first nine months was $475000. The company also is expected to report a loss for the full year. Cabinet Units Split On Plan to Merge 2 Major Airlines; New York Times Sept. 1, 1971 WASHINGTON, Aug. 31--The Nixon Administration was split today over the proposed merger of American Airlines and Western Airlines.

so it does sound like that's a valid position. I think I stand corrected. Thanks Nuke! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/28117_pilotop.shtml Third runway unnecessary, unsafe Wednesday, June 20, 2001 By SVEN HOLM PILOT During my 34-plus years as a commercial airline pilot I logged more than 15,000 hours flying everything from the 707 to the 747. In my role as Western and Pacific region director of flying for Northwest Airlines ..., I was responsible for managing 1,000 pilots and working with airport issues, air safety, air traffic, pilot training and other important matters involving airline operations. (edit) Here's a similar guy down in Memphis Northwest Picks Up Flock of New Boeing Jets in Seattle. Commercial Appeal AccessMyLibrary.com - Jul 22, 2002 So it's here where Northwest Airlines Corp. came last week to view and then ... Bob McAfee, director of flying and chief pilot for Northwest in Memphis. ...

I think you are wrong. Okay, I'm off to track down Al Lee's girlfriend, then. A recurring myth/fact is she always carried a can of Altoids mints. This was in the first printing of Tosaw's book, but mysteriously disappeared in all future printings. I'm on the case though. Dog is my copilot.

I know it says Al Lee is SEA "Chief Pilot" Director of Flying, Western Region. But I think that's B.S. I think AL LEE was some kind of codename for an FBI person. The way it's used later on with different spellings and capitalizations ...AL ...LE ...LEE.. There's no way Al Lee was some "Chief Pilot" like they say. ...that's gotta be a cover story. other people's thoughts?

yeah, and I think I heard Ckret screaming that in his boss's office just after he sent you the fax...:)

page 3 "7:43 PM Aft air-stair warning light ON (stairs apparently now partially extended.)" I think we all agree that the warning light means nothing about stair extension, and only about the stair door being cracked open, correct? I think this erroneous assumption made it easy to believe that the oscillation was the jump, as opposed to the stair deployment. Same section also confirms Boeing knew about inflight stair deployment (which we already knew) here: "Crew had been furnished Boeing procedure for extending stairs in flight."

well actually it's ckret's fault...What kind of lousy budget do you guys got? you should have used the top secret satellite phone fax mars bounce off the real reason we just put a new lander on mars thingee...or didn't you get the memo this month?

Excellent Sluggo. I'm ready to digest. but one note...you just failed the entrance exam for NSA/CIA and may have to return your secret decoder ring.... You left the fax number on the top of the fax. I believe we can all spam Seattle FBI fax now! yahoo! I'm sending a pic of my butt.. Area code 206 is a telephone dialing code in the U.S. state of Washington for Seattle REDACT!

Now I'm totally confused. Was there glory to start with? I thought he was a thug? I mean which is it? It feels like I'm watching two tv shows at once here. It's not right!

I've never said I'm not DB Cooper.

true story: I have a friend who used to sequence DNA back in the '80s when it wasn't as automated as today. I was making casual conversation to a prof recently, and told that story trying to sound like I knew something, and he pooh-pooh'ed it saying - "Sure you can sequence all the DNA, but the real question is: what do you do with that information then?" And you know he was right. Once you have perfect knowledge, what do you do with it?

did I miss some posts? How did we get to Cooper=thug? I agree we know he was a hijacker, and he took money that wasn't his, so yeah on robber. Is the thuggery the threatened use of a fake bomb? I would call that more terrorism nowadays. Thuggery is a word I would use if he smacked someone with a ballpeen hammer. Why thug? There is a dictionary on the internet. ok: 1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum. 2. also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her. Definitely on 2..... it all makes sense to me now!

and Im very close behind you. Got a date with a Sashquatch and I dont have 37 years more to wallow. weird..my timing is I'm going to be gone middle of next week.