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Naturally that's with a little tailwind. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

200 mph in a wingsuit? That's nothing. I can do 350 and climb from 12k to 20k in less than 20 seconds. That kind of forward speed generates an INCREDIBLE amount of lift.

I believe that it was you tasting me, there are in fact lick marks on my, um, tail to prove it. And what exactly was still in you? Doh! nevermind. I had a great time flying with you and swapping lies on the ground too. Amazing flying Glen. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Thanks Ed for such great wingsuit organizing, same to you Avery. I had a great time meeting and flocking with everyone, wish it could have been ten days instead of two. Flying with you all is a blast. It is interesting to see how many of the eagles are bald, that boring wingsuit stuff must be mostly for old guys. (sorry Kris and April) Too bad single wing bugged out early. Guess he'll find some kind of one-handed entertainment. Besides typing. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Sorry to have taken the thread off course, purely selfish motives. I have an S3, a V2 on the way and only a couple of jumps on a V1. No one around here has an S3s or S6 but I won't be surprised to see one at the AOB boogie in Mollala this weekend. Thanks for the input everyone. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

What was the difference you felt between the V1 and V2? Also curious about the difference you felt between the S3 and V1. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Musta bean one badass dusdevl done dat! Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Among other things; Decide in advance what you'll do if you have a mal on opening at 13,000 feet. Use common sense. If you have a beer for the ride back leave your brakes stowed. Trying to fly in rears while sucking one down isn't real chill. Doing a two way side X side ride back is sweet. Then again hanging up there longer than anyone else is good too. Beer times 2. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

OK, Barker Sat and Sun. Are you gonna fly yer wingsuit(s) at the boogie or be tied up shooting 4-way? Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Recognize the shirt? I want my VEEEEEEEETWOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Now. Please. Anyone have any V-2 news? Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Never been to the east coast. But put me on the list. Not the stupid list though. Just the AOTA Boogie list. Unless I can't make it. That would be stupid. Sunday at Barker? Maybe Sat. afternoon too? Or at Snohomish? My feathers are getting itchy. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Why not? Count me in as a probable. (work schedule undetermined as usual) Get a wingsuit. Or get left milesbehind. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I'm inclined to agree with you regarding inertia and "bag whip" although bag whip isn't the same as a spinning bag. My experience with relatively small canopies also doesn't bear out the assumption that lighter /smaller d-bags are more likely to spin. My Xaos has twisted up a few times but mostly during canopy inflation not at deployment. Most of my jumps are wingsuit throwing in full flight. No doubt about it, the bag spinning as it leaves the container is the main culprit since I rarely have problems in normal freefall. I might take some exception to "not twists during inflation, which are usually caused by body position. " Ever jumped Stilettos? Well known for: I got it, I got it....ZOOOOM.! But generally I would agree that uneven risers can cause twists (and spins ) during inflation. Right now my spin is caused by the empty bottle of wine next to me. The obvious remedy is to open another. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

My understanding of the bandless freebag is that it is designed to reduce the possibility of malfunctions like baglock. Simplicity and reliability seem to be goals. If freestows help reduce twists that's good too. BTW three of my five reserve rides have been line twisted, one of them was severe. Then again I was spinning pretty good as well. Naturally I blamed my rigger. Really I'd like to think that the freestow bag is a good solution and I plan on experimenting with it. I'm just not willing to accept the current arguments as fact. I also keep in mind that no rig manufacturer that I know of is offering a freestow/pocket main d-bag. That tells me that the manufacturers aren't buying the idea yet either. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Trust me, I'm aware of the stow/wobble argument and the comparison to freestows. The floor test may even be representative of a real deployment although I wouldn't take it for granted. The floor test isn't at 120 mph and doesn't have a 120 mph wind to go with it among other things. I also believe that very tight stows are a poor idea but a bigger problem is uneven tension from one stow to another. As I mentioned I use very light stow tension already and have plenty of twisted openings. Really what I'm getting at here is that freestows offer zero control over the bag but also don't likely cause problems. Band stows might produce wobble but may help control the bag through tension. I just got off the phone with a rig manufacturer who is checking out the freestow bag but doesn't offer them on their rigs yet. Apparently they are waiting on videos of openings to determine the effectiveness of a freestow bag before marketing them. In the mean time I plan on checking out the effectiveness of slightly more tension on my stows to see if my openings change for better or worse. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

QuoteI have got well over 1,000 jumps on that bag and almost all reserves are deployed in that manner. At what point does it stop being theory? I don't believe that the bandless stow method on a reserve freebag was designed to address line twists but then again I'm not a rigger. Since several things can occur to cause the bag to spin I don't see how low/no tension on the lines during linestretch can help control the bag. It will stop being theory if clear evidence in use becomes obvious (unlikely for a while since so few pocket d-bags are in use on mains) or research and testing demonstrates an advantage. I hope you're right though since I dislike rubber bands Sometimes you eat the bear..............

***Tight stow if anything contribute the bag spinning by producing "bag whip". With a line stow pocket the lines play out in line with the bridle and PC..*** Yeah, I know a couple of guys using pocket bags and I understand the theory. But so far it seems lto be only a theory. I'm still going to try tighter stows for now but I'll try to talk Kelly at Velocity out of a pocket bag or make my own. I don't have problems on my freefall rig, only on my wingsuit rig. Probably body position anyway. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

For years I've been promoting the concept that stows below the locking stows have little to do with canopy inflation. I use fairly loose stows, just enough tension to keep the lines organized. Lately though I've been rethinking my strategy. I still feel the same about canopy openings but I suspect that having some line tension on the d-bag might help keep the d-bag from spinning. It would be nice to see some video that could confirm/deny this theory. I plan to increase tension on my stows to test my theory (only on my wingsuit rig though). Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Quote: In Reply To Man, this suit is great! It's like a Vampire on nitrous! At first it had me worried, I thought "doesnt this suit go any slower than Mach 3?" but was able to fly relative to another wingsuit, so it's all good. Hmm, sounds as though you can smoke Jim already......? _____________________________________________________________________________________ Using nitrous and smoking Jim could alter your perception of wingsuit reality. OTOH I expect my V-2 to be alcohol fueled. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Condlences. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

That setting doesn't have anything to do with the opening. Changing the length from the eye to the cascade is the brake setting control. Talk to a rigger, preferably one who base jumps. What will help in a big way is pulling the slider out in front of the nose a lot more. 2" is an invitation to a slammer. Try more like 6" and spread the slider out in front of the nose so it fills with air quickly. Also rolling the nose helps tame fast openers. How you stow your lines has only a small effect on opening quality. Get help from a rigger or a very good packer. It's no wonder you're getting slammed, you aren't using even the most basic methods of controlling your openings. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

QuoteIn Reply To By the way, when you're under canopy, unless you're in one hell of a thermal, you'll be losing altitude, too, not gaining or even maintaining it (except during a flare.) You forgot about cloud suck, wave lift and surfing the ridge lift off the leading edge of a cloud. Depending on your canopy 1000 fpm thermal is usually enough to maintain and that's really just an average one. Falling is uncontrolled descent. Flying is controlled maintenence or gain of altitude. GLIDING is controlled descent whether RW, FF, tracking or wingsuiting. Or "flying" squirrels. IMnotsoHO of course. Good luck gaining altitude, except on rare and brief occasions, on a skydiving canopy. It's a glider too. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

My experience (again). A Sabre-1 120 that opened "hard" with the original slider. Note that the lines are not in trim. A substitute slider that is identical spanwise and 2" wider chordwise took the shock out of the openings. Still fast but not "hard". New brakelines with the cat's eye set about 3" shallower to more closely approximate the original setting have also improved the openings. Packing technique to encourage slow opening is a must though, pulling the slider way out in front of the nose is the primary factor. Two other Sabres, both 150 sf. have had no hard openings, 170 seems to be the worst culprit by reputation. As always YMMV. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Thanks for the info Rob. I thought riggers avoided working on reserve pcs. I assume that is also master rigger domain. I believe that I'll ask my rigger how much attention he pays to my reserve pc, since it gets a fair amount of use he likely keeps an eye on it. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Duct tape stitched around the edges should fix it fine. Sometimes you eat the bear..............