Belgian_Draft

The 4th Q GDP isn't 4.8%. Or even 5.7%. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It's not. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Saying that is a trait of the left is itself profiling. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

This thread wanders between merely texting, and the bigger picture of selective bans of distracting behavior. Since people use their cell phones much more than their GPS units, I have more fear of the latter, which is fully legal to use currently. They also are pretty crappy on the ergonomic side. Anyone remember when Michael Scott (Dundler Mifflin) drove his car into the lake because the GPS told him to? The thread is wandering because one or two posters insist upon comparing texting while driving to other far less common and/or dangerous distractions. I wonder who they may be? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

this isn't an 'aside' - this is exactly the point we're debating but you guys keep taking my point and turning into an incorrect strawhorse - so I'm done we want the same results, but think about attacking it from different directions It was an aside to the Profs point of doing it for the children. Pay attention. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Actually I am reading your words. You want to wait until something happens whether it is evidence of distraction or an accident. I feel it is better to eliminate part of the problem outright. Eliminating the X% who will stop texting because it is against the law is better than letting them continue until something happens. You wnat punishment, i want prevention. Prevention almost always is more effective. Plus, I would rather not leave my driving record and finanicial status up to the subjective opinion of the cops anymore than it already is. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

The "something bad" could well be crashing into a schoolbus, not just swerving out of your lane. Rehmwa, please think of the CHILDREN! Yes! We must not forget the children! As an aside, I'd rather have it spelled out in the laws that texting and/or talking on a cell while driving is prohibited rather than leave it up to a police officer to decide what he/she feels is distracted driving. Just my luck I would be scratching my ear just as I pass a cop having a bad hair day. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Like I said, you want to wait until something bad happens, i.e. driver swerving, etc. Since we know that texting while driving is an extremely dangerous activity, we can eliminate a lot of it just by banning it. A sizable portion will stop without any cop ever being involved. Your solution is analogous to eliminating speed limits and only citing those who cause an accident by driving too much faster than the rest of traffic. I realize that your superhuman driving skills put you far above any mortal human behind the wheel, but that is an extremely rare situation. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

And yet, even though using the cell phone (nevermind texting) is supposed to be as bad as driving drunk, we did not experience a massive increase in carnage in the past 15 years when we went from few cell users to nearly universal. Things that make you go hmmm....There are far more cell users than drunk drivers. The GPS is far worse, esp for the same idiots who can't manage driving and phones. Why would you say "never mind texting"? What do you think this thread is about? The Feds banned texting by truckers, not talking. Texting is only slightly less distracting than using a GPS. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

and by the way the law works, other things that might be distracting while driving, that are not explicitly defined as illegal, are legal. Such as? Name something that is as common as a cell phone in a vehicle and as distracting as texting on a cell phone while driving. tits. Can't argue with that. edit to add: As long as it's not man-titties. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

With the possible exception of eating, all the rest combined probably don't add up to the number of people using their cells. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

and by the way the law works, other things that might be distracting while driving, that are not explicitly defined as illegal, are legal. Such as? Name something that is as common as a cell phone in a vehicle and as distracting as texting on a cell phone while driving. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Please go back and re-read my post. You missed the entire point. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

+1 Good example is speed limits. Everybody knows that excessive speed is reckless and dangerous. But we don't just let people drive as fast as they want and only ticket them when they cause an accident and charge them with reckless operation, we pass laws that tell people how fast (or slow) they can drive. There will always be that large percentage of people who don't think they will cause problems by driving to fast and don't realize just how wrong they are. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

In other words, no one is charged with a violation unless they actually commit a violation. Not be capable of committing one, in your mind. Right. But it makes little or no sense to wait until somebody doing something we know causes accidents kills somebody before we are able to do something when we can more effectively make the highways safer by banning the specific actions. I don't think some people here understand how just having a law on the books removes part of the threat. Probably the same people who think their driving skills diminish while texting. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Under your standard nobody could be charged with a violation until an accident has happened or a cop was lucky enough to catch them before they kill somebody. By banning specific actions we can at least remove a portion of the threat via those who obey the law, but there will always be those who are too stupid or arrogant to understand the threat they pose. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Ride bike to work today and save 3 billion HLB's won't SOMEONE please THINK about the HLB's? HLB's are like seals...if they weren't meant to be exploited by man, God would have given them shotguns to defend themselves. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Can you not answer two very simple questions? After all, you seem very able to rewrite the laws of physics. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I think you are confused. YOU don't believe the aircraft alone brought down the towers and I do. You still haven't explained the empty columns that were supposedly cut pre-collapse and how the debris off the top os the towers somehow fell faster than the main structure that was, according to you and the tinhats, falling at free fall speed. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

look.... a few posts ago I suggested that the definitions simply needed to be modified. I know people in general are stupid, including several of us here. (myself included on many topics) my point, which you are failing to comprehend or failing to communicate your comprehension thereof, is that the feds are making laws using interstate commerce as a big blanket to hide under. I understand that. And many times it is a chickenshit way to pass laws. But banning texting while driving commercial busses and trucks over 10,000 GVW is well withing the rights of the feds and makes perfect sense that they do so. The states already have a God-awful mess of weight restrictions, permits, etc. that truckers have to deal with. The new texting law fits right in with laws regulating hours/miles logged, age restrictions, licensing requirements, etc. It is a rare case of the Federal government actually having passed some uniform common sense laws. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Kinda goin' to extremes there, ain't ye bud? Unopened alcohol is allowed inside a vehicle the same as a cell phone that is not being used to text or talk if either/both are banned. Want an openedbeer in the car? Put it in the trunk. Want to text? Pull off the road. Pretty freakin' simple but some people just don't get it and so we end up with Big Brother passing laws. It's justified they pull someone over for crappy driving. It is also justified when they pull someone over for talking or tecting in places where it is banned. Last i heard nobody had ever been pulled over just because they had a phone in their car or truck. Crappy driving is crappy driving...end of story. Yes, the right thing is not to drive crappy. Problem is, people texting while driving DO drive crappy but they think they don't. It's that ol' "I can drive but nobody else can" story. So we find ourselves with Big Brother passing laws to tell people not to do stuff good drivers don't do in the first place. This may help you understand the process: Say there are 1000 cars that commute along a stretch of highway during a given period each day. Of those, 500 have drivers that are talking on their cell and 50 that are texting. BB passes a law banning all cell use while driving. Right away a percentage will stop just because it's the law and they obey the law (with the possible exception of speed limits). Say that percentage is 20%. So now we have 100 fewer people talking on their cells and 2 not texting. BINGO! Roads are safer already and nobody has been pulled over or cited! Imagine that! The law won't stop really stupid people from doing stupid shit, but it will cause a percentage to finally act in a responsible manner. I don't need bubble wrap. I just want to not be killed by some idiot who is texting or chatting while he should be watching where the hell he is going and paying attention. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Which one do you listen to? I struggle with that sometimes Well, since 2 of them are always arguing with each other and a third won't talk to me at all (only to the others) that only leaves the twins and they always say the same thing. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Where did he ever mention requiring phones be kept in the trunk?? Laws such as this are intended to improve safety by lessening the number of people who indulge in such acts. No law will ever completely eliminate them. Unfortunately a great number of accidents are caused by drivers who show no sign of problems before the accident. Fortunately, we know what causes those problems and can do something about it. You seem to have faith that everybody will always do the right thing without need of outside influence. Such is not the case. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

depends on what the voices are telling me to do. last night they were telling me to pour another. This morning they're still sleeping. Personally, I always do what the voices tell me to do. It saves a lot of arguing with myself and results in inner peace.

You don't seem to comprehend that there are people in this world who are too stupid to comprehend that distracted driving, which is illegal in most states, includes texting while driving so it must be specifically pointed out to them. Comprehend? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.