Belgian_Draft

What I find almost as disturbing as the sentence is that the people in charge of that country actually believe it is possible to foretell the future. If they didn't it would be no big deal and they would view the guy as just another entertainer or, at worst, a goofball. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Rhys, according to your knowledge on engineering, thermodynamics, and physics....how fast should the buildings (either the towers or #7, pick one) have collapsed? Why or why not at "freefall" acceleration and speeds? I am asking you a serious question and I expect a serious answer. Since you don't have an extensive education or background in engineering, I will accept an answer using the basic physics and maths you learned in high school. Oh, and please show your work. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I am certain you re not that stupid, yet your questions reak of evidence you do not understand what it is you are arguing about? One would think you'd realise the 2.5 second thing is written in the NIST's final draft, we have been through this and you have failed, time and time again, to understand what is being said. You obsure the information with bullshit about how it is all been debunked, but you cannot follow your rants up with evidence and it appears you simply do not get it! Your government story 'now' (since november 2008) claims freefall acceleration for a perid of 2.5 seconds and that was being as conservative as physically possible due to the evidence that is openly avaialble. For years NIST denied freefall, as you did, but now that they admit it you still fail to acknowledge it. Now you are running your own hypothesis, maybe you can latch onto Bills bridge and walkway argument and get your own conspiracy theroy happening. what a fucking joke! The only joke is you trying to argue engineering principles and physics with people who make their living with them. I never acknowledged not denied that any or part of the collapse was ever at freefall acceleration, only that it was possible. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

"Actually there is no (publicly available) way of determining the complete time of the entire collapse of any of the buildings due the the view of the events being obsured in all available footage." Yet you and the truthers use the timeline of the collapse as some sort of evidence. "It is however possible to determine how long it took for the section of the building from the 29th floor upwards. The interesting thing about this data, is that it is one of the few things (the) NIST and the truth movement are in agreeance with." So then why do you argue with everything else in the report? If they can get one thing right, surely there are other items. You can't pick-and-choose the truth. "The building accelerated for 2.5 seconds at the rate of gravity (in New York). " I'd like to see you prove that. I sincerely doubt you have the understanding of physics to perform those calculations. To go with that, just how fast do you think it should have fallen? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That can be interpreted a couple ways. "This is my rifle, this is my gun This is for fighting, this is for fun" HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I didn't realize that there were primitive tribes in the region where Amazon lives. TripleF Just her. (I'm gonna hide now. If anybody asks, just tell them I moved to Peru) HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bullshit before. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Because that's the only way we *CAN* exercise the right to carry, since the overwhelming majority of us don't live on gun ranges or BLM lands. That, of course, is AFTER jumping through all the existing hoops, regardless of what the anti's are doing to put up more and more of them. To the best of my knowledge you can carry in any fashion you see fit on private property as long as the owner lets you. Like i said in a previous post, you vicinity to a public range or BLM ground is irrelevent to whether or not you can shoot a gun there without a license. Sure it seems like the antis are putting up all the hoops they can. But, on the other hand, the NRA would have no hoops at all. Until both sides quit arguing like school children the debate will go on and on. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yep. Because I hear the same argument you are giving- that we shouldn't have to pay to exercise our rights- think nothing of paying out the butt for a required concealed carry course. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Since you're becoming British, maybe the interview is to mess your teeth up? I bet if she wears Bubba Teeth they'll expedite the process. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I forgot her name. Needless to say, there was no second date. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

The influence of the outside world on otherwise totally isolated cultures. For example, primitive tribes in the Amazon region. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yeah, but it's pretty simple. Download the forms, take them with you to the nearest post office that handles passports, show them an ID, pay the fee and go home and wait. My gal's son had to get one last summer for his work. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Since we're discussing growing up, when are YOU going to do so and base your argument on more than wishes and fantasies? Look in a mirror lately? BTW, do you have a concealed carry permit? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It is very common for recruiters to confirm desire for a meeting via telephone, then set a time and place later and email to the client for comfirmation. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

First, it's not an indulgence to be able to exercise your rights. Belgian's suggestion will not prevent you from exercising your rights (which, as Scalia noted in Heller, are not unlimited). Then the extra expense of a poll tax doesn't prevent you from exercising your right to vote. What the hell are you talking about? I said the BC should be free. That's why I said you have disregarded everything I suggested. I agree with Kallend. Grow up. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

So, show us where the gun-control crowd has ever compromised? Why does the compromising always have to come from the pro-gun crowd? Still waiting on those stats once you get over your hyperbole fix. I also refer you back to the fact that it's always the gun owners that have to compromise. That is the second time you have asked for stats but not said what stats you want. Compromise is the big issue. Neither the pro-gun rights people not the anti-gunners want to compromise. It's like two spoiled brats. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Do you have any idea what you're trying to say? You sure as hell have no idea what I'm saying. It's hard to reply to such ramblings. I pointed out it's unrealistic to expect the government to do this for free right now. In case you missed it, everyone is running a deficit. It's far more likely to work out the way it does in CA, with the cost discouraging people from doing it the proper way. I know what you are trying to say. Nowhere did I say it would be easy. California raping the hell out of gun owners doesn't mean it has to be that way everywhere else. BTW, I don't hear of any gun owners complaining about tax dollars being used to build public shooting ranges. Try reading the entire thread before just jumping in. Most of your concerns were addressed early on. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

"If it costs $100 to sell a gun legally, then I think the state AG should also be held responsible for the consequences if someone skips the check. " Where the hell did that statement come from? Talk about getting off track. "And second, you're the one that suggested this check be free or low cost, not I. " Yep, I suggested it and you're the one whining about it. "Oh no! They're gonna make me do a background check to sell my gun and it's gonna take five whole minutes and cost me five whole dollars! " Boo-fucking-hoo HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

So you want society to absorb all the costs of your endulgences? It's not enough we have laws prohibiting felons from buying guns but do nothing to enforce those laws? You don't want to do a background check on Bubba the Felon when he buys that extra gun you have laying around? Fine. But if he is a felon the I say you should be held partially responsible for what he does with it as well as be charged with aiding in a felony by enabling him to possess a gun. "And still waiting on where that BLM land is for me." Once again, whether you have easy access to those lands is irrelevent as to whether or not a license is needed to use a gun on them. Total strawman. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Where is the closest available place for someone in San Francisco? Yes, there's millions of acres of BLM land. But it ain't nearby where most people actually live. Just give up that comparison already - it doesn't work. CA is one of many states that requires an FFL to be involved for private transfers. Adds 50-100$ or more typically (min is the ~25$ DROS fee, plus whatever the shop charges). Now, does this sort of fee increase or hamper gun rights? And do you think it encourages people to do it legit, or to skirt the process? Many of the "common sense", "low hassle" gun control bills are about making it too expensive for people, effectively disarming the poor, and doing nothing to the rich. Uh, dude, where did you get the idea that location had anything to do with the argument? Nice strawman, though. California does a lot of stupid stuff, excessive fees like you mentioned are just one. My suggestions included free or low cost checks. There should also not be any transfer tax attached or sales tax charged. I am, and always have been, against sales taxes being placed on any item transfered through private sale whether it is a gun or a car. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I don't think that's the issue, Doc. The whole issue with the NRA and background checks is that there are a lot of gun owners who don't give a shit what the gun is used for after the sale, they don't care who they sell to as long as the sell, the NRA does nothing to encourage these people to care, and the NRA cries like a freakin' spoiled brat when the subject is mentioned of making those checks mandatory for private sales. I used to believe in the NRA and what they preach, but I have come to realize that some of their ideals are just too radical and not realistic in todays society. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Ok, so now you are completely disregarding everything I have posted. Maybe you should go back and re-read my position and suggestions. I suggested the NICS be MODIFIED! That means changed. Changed means it would not work the same as it does now. The rebuttals you included in your last post go against almosteverything I have suggested. You have also taken the issue of use on public grounds completely out of context. You cannot drive a car on a public highway (use as it was intended) without a license on the car and one for the operator. There are millions of acres of public ground where you can go and shoot your gun (intended use) wihtout license or registration for either gun or owner. See, that is why I have issues with the NRA. They accuse the gun banners of being blind to the truth, yet they refuse to budge a fraction of a percentage on their hardcore line of "no compromise!" Maybe if the NRA would push their membership to do voluntary background checks on private sales, even provide them at a nominal cost, it would help. But they don't. They have adopted the attitude that any bit of trouble or expense...even a 10 minute wait for a $5 background check...is just too damn much inconvenience. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is funny! You owe me a coffee and a keyboard. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

-Ever hear of BLM lands? -No, it is NOT the same category. NICS checks on the person, not the gun. No need for any serial numbers, etc. to be logged. No need for record other than the fact that somebody ran a backgraound check on somebody else. Don't even need to show the transaction was even completed. -You are assuming it would be done through a dealer. Think a bit broader and include local police and courts. -Every time I've bought a car in had to pay sales tax when i transfered the title to my name. Even if you don't have to, there is still the requirement to get plates, something NOT required with firearms. -Sure, there are those who do take their responsibility seriously. But far too many don't. You eveidently have either not read my posts, have forgotten the main point, or are just ignoring them. I have said, and still do, that as long as the seller runs a background check on the buyer and the buyer passes, the sellers responsiblity ends at the time of sale....period. No check or sale if buyer is denied = continued responsibility. As long as that minority insists upon acting like children and refuse to take the responsibility that comes with selling a gun seriously then the whole will be treated like children. -So you think it is ok to take the attitude that they will get their guns anyway so why try to stop them? With that attitude we may as well just eliminate all laws and exist in a state of anarchy. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.