DocPop

That's nothing that the rigger can do to it. It's all a matter of the length of the cable running back to the riser release, and the length of your arm. If your arm is too short when pulling downward to get the cables clear of the end of the channel, then sweep your arm back outward like you're going into a spread-eagle position again. That'll create the extra distance needed to clear the cable. I believe Terri's point was that she correctly executed a difficult cutaway even with the added complication of the cables not clearing and that this is evidence that she knew what she was doing, not that the rigger had messed with her cables. That's the way I read it anyway. It does bring up another point though - what if she had been unable to cutaway and had ended up having to fire her reserve into her main? This could have ended up with criminal charges for murder. This guy does not have the correct mindset or responsibility to be a rigger IMO and should have his rigger's ticket stripped from him. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

General question - would the FAA pull a rigger's ticket for intentionally packing a mal? I assume they would. That might be suitable, and righteous, recompense for such douchebaggery. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

The AP reporter that wrote this piece is a jumper. She was at Summerfest and took herself off any load that would clash with a record attempt so she could get the story correctly and and immediately. She knows Rook, Melissa, Norman Kent etc all personally. I won't pass on her name as she has seen fit not to, but she is a great person who I have no doubt will do the sport a great service in the future when it comes to reporting skydiving. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

No, in my view, you were totally taken advantage of. Nobody should ever fuck with your gear without both your knkowledge and your permission, especially if it is to make it less effective than it was designed to be. After all, our rigs are all we have to save our lives - it is literally that serious. Totally unforgiveable. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

If this is the person I think is, it was her husband and he TOLD her they were intentional and it was something aling the lines of "you think you're rready to jump a HP canopy - you should be able to kick out of linetwists". Wanker. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

You have posted this in at least two threads today. Is this a new "joke" that you have just discovered and think that it's terribly amusing. Please remember that new jumpers may be reading here and some may take your "funnies" as being serious. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

You're crazy, I saw it on the TV I think they got Cameron to do some CGI shit... What does the Prime Minister know about CGI? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

It is if you don't know what the heck you're doing. I think it is implicit in the question that we are talking about experienced canopy pilots. It is obviously pushing the envelope for someone with no training to be swooping. Just as it is pushing the envelope for someone with no training to be skydiving, or driving a car. Is swooping ALWAYS pushing the envelope might be a better question. But then that would depend on your definition of swooping. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

People dieing attempting dumb things is not bad? Please explain. He didn't say dying is not bad, he said that pushing the envelope is not necessarily a bad thing. Quite different. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Troll "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Are you taking my name in vain?!! "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

damn it! I skipped that step. I feel like I missed out! But to DocPop, just come to one of FLCPA's swoop comps & we'll start your training! It's that easy. Al mentioned you can talk to him or Eric but he forgot to mention me (thanks Al ) Damn! I am on my way. Can't wait for that training! "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

This is great advice, Dave, thank you for taking the time to type it all out. It mirrors almost exactly what I was told by a coach a couple of weeks ago. I am going to print this post out and keep it in my log book - I think there is probably upward of 500 jumps work in there alone without even thinking about going to a bigger turn. I am under no illusion that this is going to be a hard road, but eminently worth it! Thanks again to all for the awesome advice here. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Having sex with a swoop competitor is a good start. Excellent. I have got that one out of the way (naming no names!) Ian doesn't count! Ok, maybe he does...things might have changed in the last year. Oh well - back to the drawing board! "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Thanks again. The pattern/set-up is by far the most challenging thing for me right now and I am not even trying to be all that specific about where on the "runway" I touch down. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Having sex with a swoop competitor is a good start. Excellent. I have got that one out of the way (naming no names!) "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

How does one go about qualifying as a judge? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Thanks guys - good stuff for me to work on there. I don't think the minimum distance is too much of an issue, but I have not had the chance to train with gates so that could be. No matter - plenty of time to address those issues as I build up to the entry requirement. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Thanks - I missed that in the manual (it is right at the beginning, not in the CP section) Any other advice for when I get there? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I am considering entering a swoop comp next season and have read the rules in the USPA Comp book, but I wanted to ask here for advice on how to know whether someone (ie. me) is ready for it. What are the minimum levels of skill/performance that should be considered for entry? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Claiming you are different from those who have gone (in) before you is a cardinal sign that you are at risk. Take advice from someone who has been that guy and don't be a dick. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

What's up, VB? You got a crush on me or what? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Listen to yourself, man. Is everyone else who posts their concerns wrong? I very much doubt it. Believe me I can understand your anger at all these people getting on your case when in fact you're doing just fine. I have been there, I have had those feelings...BUT... you might want to re-read your posts about Sangi prior to his accident and then think about his responses and what happened. He probably had the same leave-me-the-fuck-alone feelings and look what happened to him. If you have nothing to hide, why all the deleted posts and profile-scrubbing? I think deep down you know you're wrong. I fully expect you to either ignore this post or rant against it - that's your problem. Glad you didn't ACTUALLY kill yourself. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

That's very generous. I hope he has the sense to realize that. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Of the three of us; Sangi learned his lesson (I hope) the hard way and I have learned in a less hard way (but it still took too long). Virgin-Burner, it seems, is now the last of the three "cool kids" who is still pushing the envelope and refusing to hear what others are telling him. Maybe I have forfeited my right to preach on this subject given my previous posts, I am not sure. Or maybe Sangi and I are just the right people to speak up on this having been "that guy". "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA