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XF2 > Katana True- if the measure is what is the what's better for a beginner. [If you're stupid enough to try to learn from this thread I should point out that the above is sarcasm] "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Pilot, XF2 or Mamba? They are all pussy choices. You need a Katana or a Velo if your penis wants to feel loved. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

How dare they do this in a free market economy. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I do, yes. I do this to keep the bag closed as much as possible as the pilot chute accelerates it off my back. If the locking stows are too loose it allows the canopy to partly leave the bag during this phase, potentially disturbing the packjob. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Whilst I accept that they are a necessary learning step, I actually dislike HP 90s. There is so little time in the turn to assess your recovery arc that it means that if you are low you don't have as much time to deal with it. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I'm not doing it for drag reduction. I am doing it primarily for ease and opening up my field of view. I also like that it lets the wing spread as much as possible which maximizes the usable lift. ETA: It doesn't even match my canopy! It does however make my dick look bigger because I roll it up and shove it down the front of my pants. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

135s and bigger have the different slider. 120s and smaller have a regular style slider. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Nice work, Jo. That's really helpful. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

That's how success is measured for the A license is it not? Deploy in less than 56 seconds. We were talking H&Ps so, No...well, sorta...there used to be a 5-second requirement for exit to pull but that has been done away with...I have no earthly clue as to why. Now it's only exit altitude. Ultimate success is measured by landing without a splat. I'm not practicing going straight to reserve (with an actual pull) for anyone! Good! I just thought I'd throw in "practice" so that the youngsters didn't get the idea to actually pull at that time. In my canopy courses this has not been a requirement. Did they even ask? (Clearly 56 was a typo up there!) I didn't know the 5 second rule had been revoked. Seems a little odd. If all that is required to pass this test is to not die then I'd say we're not being stringent enough. And to the Canopy Course question - no, it never came up. We talked about exit order and delays, but not a stable exit. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Oh I haven't forgotten. I've taken things much more seriously since my youthful dz.com days. I've taken numerous canopy courses, got a CP judge rating, been asked to be an S&TA and haven't downsized for two years. I want to make a change for the better but I think some of the "tough love" BS that goes on here is counter-productive and amounts to nothing more than a dick-measuring contest. Chief, Out. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

+1 I am on my second Infinity and get endless compliments about it. Really well designed and the best looking rig on the market IMO. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Having put some jumps on my KA120 with a Removable Slider (from a Velocity) I have to say I prefer the openings to the stock slider. . "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

What are you trying to achieve by posting a date? 1. Humour? 2. To scare Ledballoon into buying a Sabre2 170? 3. To let everyone know you're a cool skydiver with knowledge about a secret game? Fail x 3. Bounce bingo is not big and it's not clever. It's a douchey affectation like spelling skills with a "z". "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

That's how success is measured for the A license is it not? Deploy in less than 56 seconds. I'm not practicing going straight to reserve (with an actual pull) for anyone! In my canopy courses this has not been a requirement. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

And that's the tricky part. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Good post, but I am willing to bet that the people you are trying to reach don't think they are pushing the limits as much as they are. I watched it and thought "I'm fine with my margin for error" but then it occurred to me that I could be deluding myself. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Me neither! And I agree with Ian that you can tell if someone is flying well and is comfortable with a canopy under 'normal' conditions. Erratic flying, jerky inputs, unwillingness to fly in deep brakes (or conversely, in full flight), rushing a HP turn, not creating separation in the pattern etc, etc are all signs that someone is being a passenger instead of a pilot and are causes for concern. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and watch a jump or two. That said, I've never ever come across someone with that many jumps that was ready for that canopy (and I've seen people on a wing like that with less jumps). Not saying it's not possible, just saying I've never seen it. Ian Thanks. I am a new S&TA and wanted to know what your approach would be. It sounds like a reasonable way to do it; let them prove that they are not up to the task. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Hey Ian, Would you make the decision that he is in over his head based purely on 416 jumps and a Velocity 103, or would you let him do a jump and then decide? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

**CAUTION!! Extremely heavy sarcasm ahead** The French are known for their adherence to the rules.... "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I agree with you, Squeak. Better to make education available than just turn your back on the problem. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I believe that came in in 2008, so 5 years ago. But I don't believe that really spoiled any fun for swoopers - in fact by clearing the airspace it may have actually made it better for us. And in any case it is largely ignored now by many DZs where you can see HP turns and standard patterns to the same landing area from the same load. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

I like a nice responsible canopy.

That's not really true, is it? It's just a tired old cliche that is trotted out time and again. What was the last actual rule to be introduced in response to dangerous behaviour? And when? There are toothless BSRs and local limits but basically, nobody is scrutinizing us and slapping new rules on skydiving whenever a couple of people die. "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA

Hang on, give me a sec, I need to put my Pop corn in the microwave as well DocPop corn? "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA