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I was thinking of a video where Scott Bland was hammered by another wingsuit flyer. He did nothing wrong, and in my opininon could not have prevented it, but nonetheless was hit so hard that he could easily have become incapacitated. Had he become knocked out, his options would have been 2: AAD save or die. But what do I know?

Would have this been prevented by recocking your pilot chete after gettting the main in the bag? A lot of jumpers do this, and it has been stated that it was non necessary. I think it's a good idea. But what do I know?

You are knocked out and a AAD cuts your reserve closing loop for you and you land in a pit of man eating alligators and you are not wearing gator repellant. What do you do? I'd love to hear it.

No, there is another option. It's accepting that you might be killed skydiving. I accept that. Given the choice though, I will take maybe over for sure. But what do I know?

?????????? What are you looking for? Totally knocked out, no AAD, there are really no other options yes. I agree. I think in this case an AAD is the only opition. This is what I was looking for. But what do I know?

Dang it. Every time I have a sensible post, you beat me to it. Some are already blaming activation altitude when, in fact, we don't know that yet, do we? Can anyone point to incidents that the AAD did NOT activate when the parameters were met? Now compare that number to how many times it DID. Always keep in mind tat what happens after activation is independent. If I'm correct this thread is inspired by Bill Booths proposed raising the min opening altitude so AAD firing could be raised as well. His stated reason was that AADs were firing but PC hesitations, or some other misc condition delayed the deployment resulting in impact under a partially deployed reserve. If we are going to fix this problem lets get back on track and help identify the cause(s) that reserves are not fully deploying in time after an aad activation. I atree. The opening altitudes are no guarantee, but the best compromise between saftety, and accepted practices. leave them as is. Mo Opinion only... But what do I know?

You are knocked out and a AAD cuts your reserve closing loop for you and you land in a pit of man eating alligators and you are not wearing gator repellant. What do you do? I'd love to hear it.

Of course not. Just like you can't guarantee that you won't have a fatal double mal, or that some toggle-whippin' idiot won't kill you under canopy, or that you won't screw up and do something idiotic yourself. Unless you don't jump, I guess... There are risks involved and they might kill you. Some people understand and accept that. What's the problem with that? NONE. I just like the option of maybe surving if you have an AAD. But what do I know?

Nothing. If it comes to this you can hope your AAD will svce you, or you can die. Still looking for other options. But what do I know?

Good answer, but can you guarantee that you can prevent it? But what do I know?

All I hear is crickets. If you have an answer to my question, reply to this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4086335#4086335 But what do I know?

It happens to you. What do you do? Answer: die, most likely, fi you don't have an AAD. If you don't have an AAD and have a better answer, I'd love to hear it. But what do I know?

high pulls are acceptable, subject to your drop zone rules. But what do I know?

A 'D' license is not required to be an AAF-I. He was saying that you could do AFF-I duty for a few years, but if you want to progress to tandem, you have to get your D (and the required night jumps) I suggest a course in reading comprehension. I comprehended just fine, he just wrote it backwards. You're right, I need a course in ESP. But what do I know?

A 'D' license is not required to be an AAF-I. He was saying that you could do AFF-I duty for a few years, but if you want to progress to tandem, you have to get your D (and the required night jumps) I suggest a course in reading comprehension. But what do I know?

I can't think of a single case where a floating exit is better than a diving exit in an emergency.... Not one. Anyone? And if stop in the middle of an *emergency* exit to decide what to do and you are in front of me... You are either going to get run over or pushed out. Hey, the 'as above' reffered to YOUR advised exit. Maybe if you quit looking for things to disagree with, you would see more clearly. But what do I know?

Actually, canopy flight is the bigger problem these days. Better ban skydiving altogether. But what do I know?

A 'D' license is not required to be an AAF-I. But what do I know?

Ok, thanks for providing my original statement. I think it stands by itself, as to what it does and does not say. So what about my question? What's your plan if you get knocked out during a skydive I hope to hear your answer to this one, this time. But what do I know?

Because you said you would not do the big WS jumps without the AAD, but will with it. No, I didn't say that. My statement was the first, you just read it as the second. So what is your plan if you get knocked out during a skydive? But what do I know?

I''ve warned quite a few sharks. Sumbitches listened too. But what do I know?

I think PF and Tonysuits have influienced each other, to the benefit of all of us. But what do I know?

Made me smile. Thanks But what do I know?

It's also easy to adjust improperly. It's also easy to forget to tell your buddy it's been 'adjusted'. The better idea is to use the default setting, and have that be more appropriate. The need to bump the min pull altitude up does stem from the need for higher AAD activation altitudes, it stems from the openings and speed of modern canopies. When the AAD standard was set, 750ft at 78mph, Z-po canopies were just hitting the market. The average WL in those days was 1.1 or 1.2 at best. Things have changed, and the old standard doesn't apply anymore. To toss the idea of a standad aside, and let everyone choose their own thing is dumb. You don't who you're dealing with, what their line of thinking is, or from where they draw their conclusions. You end up with a hodge podge of SOPs, and the inability to train or design gear around them. The better thought is to modify the standard using the best and brightest minds we have in the sport. Move forward with training and gear designed to work within that standard. I agree with your post. Somebody setting their AAD 1000' higher might think they're safer, but the're not. But what do I know?

Since this was discussed in another thread, I've wondered how thiis: I decided to jump with larger groups in wingsuits. Thinking of the increased danger of becoming incapacitated by a midair collision, I decided to get an AAD. Turns into this: I am OK jlying in dangerous situations because I know my AAD witll always save me. BTW the first article linked it bullshit. They blame Artec for people comitting suicide. Come on, if they have to stretch that far to make their point, it makes them look like they have no point at all. Most of the cases they site, in fact, are also bogus. Some of the adverts are out of line too. They go too far in guaranteeing success. My guess is most do survive, but it is easy not to if you're landing unconsious. Points against the ads. Some argue against manditory use, and I'm totally with them. Students should have them, but after that for USPA it's a choice. I think it should be. My personal view is they do more good than harm, It seems that many people that don't want one end up being the ones that could have benefitted by having one. Same with RSL's. I think one's odds of having a problem or an incident are affected by the choices we make: Gear selection and maintaining. Training and experience. Attitude and awareness. Each of those things are witin our control. Other things are not. When those times come, the oiutcome can be influenced by the above three things, but there are no guarantees. Another point on gear selection. My cutter is in the bottom of the tray. That is a selling point to me. I have been guilty of poor gear selection, and less than perfect maintenence. The problems I encountered from them, I consider preventable. Training and experience? Yep, I've found myself writing checks my skills had a hard time cashing. Having survived them makes me careful to avoid them in the future. Attitude and awareness? Sheesh, I got that one. Well, until I don't anyway. I think there's still some left in my luck bucket, but I don't want to use it at all. I'm saving it for my wingsuit landing, lol. My use of an AAD, and RSL reflect my personal gear choices. others are free to make their own, pased in part by the type of jumping they do. I feel the good of these devices outweigh the bad. I do not ignore the bad, or sugar coat it: If I pull stupid low, my AAD will no longer be my friend. Fine, don't pull low. Good idea anyway. I think that those that jump without an AAD can eliminate a few risks at the cost of being their own last chance. More often than not, a noob with an AAD has better odds, but it should still remain a personal choice. Carry on.