ErricoMalatesta

In sociology there are several (bs) models of class in regards to western societies as people have previously touched on... lower, middle, upper middle, etc bs etc but in reality you are 1. working class 2. not

How long has it been now? A fortnight? So I take it you are allowed in the speakers corner if you're a fucking bigot and racist American who thinks 'nuking' the Middle East is a good idea, but when someone calls you a fucking racist you can relax because they will be banned. Bullshit.

hahaha I didn't realise doing hypotheticals of invading a third sovereign nation for the century were "contingency plans". But now you do. See? You learn something new every day. I guess what I mostly learned was when you plan to build a bomb somewhere by yourself its called conspiracy and you get life but when you plan to drop lots of bombs its called contingency plan because laws only apply to people with small bombs and no planes

hahaha I didn't realise doing hypotheticals of invading a third sovereign nation for the century were "contingency plans".

I didn't say they gave orders to do it I said it would not be a surprise to Washington. Actually you wrote, "Saudi Arabia do exactly as the U.S. tell them too." Then you said it'd be no surprise. Your first sentence is a declaration that the US told Saudi Arabia to do what it's doing. They allow it too whether or not a direct order was given laying out the semantics. The U.S. allows client states a certain leeway and they will always try to push the boundaries.

False - Jason Hubbard is an idiot. He is at least of average IQ. Second. He and his brother did it to serve their OWN interests. Third - most are not "indoctrinated" with "serving your country." IT's why the military represents a pretty small portion of our population. Fourth - I don't understand or acknowledge that soldiers serve "state and private power." THey are not drafted and they are paid. Thus, there are plenty of people like me who joined the military because of the personal benefit I got from it. Fifth - there are plenty in the miliatry who fit your description. But don't ever fucking lump people in together on the basis of flippant and ill-considered characterizations. Now, given the truths of this response, is it not in your interest to understand and acknowledge it? Second - Their reasons for joining the military are irrelevant. Third - The indoctrination of military/war culture is part of the U.S. culture itself. It isn't alone in this many countries have it, some go even further with compulsory service. Fourth - Personal reasons for joining the military are irrelevant . The U.S. Military serve the interests of the state and private business. Whether this be invading Haiti or Iraq. The idea that the U.S. military serve the people of the country is not true. Just like it is not true for most nations and military forces throughout history. There are plenty of people who join the military for personal reasons and they might even believe themselves they are serving the 'country', all of which bares no relevance to the actual function of the military. Fifth - You obviously don't get what I am saying. Individuals in the military are irrelevant. The military itself serves the state and private power. It is self evident just using a current day situation. The majority of the U.S. population want the military out of Iraq. The state and private power do not want the military out of Iraq. The military stay in Iraq. That is not serving your country with the assumption that we all agree the term as its intended in the idea of serving ones country means that you serve the people of the country, you know, democracy and all that.

I didn't say they gave orders to do it I said it would not be a surprise to Washington.

Those astounding detective skills add what to the weight of an opposing argument (even though there isn't one) regarding the historical and current function of the U.S. military?

Whose interests are served by this statement? Those of the Hubbards? Those of the government? Actually, nobody's interests are served by your statement. Given the truth of my statement it is actually in the interests of everybody to understand and acknowledge it, especially the U.S. population indoctrinated at birth into a culture of 'Serving your country' as fundamental propaganda for 'Serving state and private power'.

Saudi Arabia do exactly as the U.S. tell them too. If they are funneling in weapons it will not be a surprise to Washington.

Ahh.. no yahoo. The U.S. also removed Saddam from the state terrorist list in the early 80s... and then shipped weapons to him. Translation into historical truth: "This agreement will be good for the global community if the U.S. don't cancel on it like they have done several times in the past when dealing with N.K."

Maybe you missed the part where ITS THE 21ST CENTURY SO TAKING INTO FACTORS SUCH AS TECHNOLOGY, EASE OF COMMUNICATION, WMDS, ETC WE ARE NOW A GLOBAL COMMUNITY AND THUS WHAT EFFECTS ONE EFFECTS ALL ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF THE ONLY CURRENT WORLD SUPER POWER or maybe you are still trying to locate Yugoslavia on a map, if indeed you own one.

Is there actually a creationist in this entire thread not from the US? There may be one or two exceptions but really it should highlight just how fucking indoctrinated your beliefs are

Jason Hubbard is an idiot. Serving your country and serving the interests of private and state power are dramatically different.

How the fuck would HE know? I wonder if anyone considered this argument justifiable when Russia invaded Afghanistan...oh right, no body fucking did... but now the US are doing it to Iraq (and Afghanistan) it is sound reasoning. Double think...

Maybe you should explain that comment. It is fairly self explanatory 'Deserved' and 'had coming' are two distinctly different things as I have previously explained and 'following national interests' is a fair description for when YOU do it but for everyone else its 'terrorism'. Oh, I thought it was some kid who made a tandem and loves to get on a skydiving forum so he can stir the crap and feel better about himself? Fundamental Christians are the last people that should throw words like 'kid' around given the childlike necessity required for their beliefs.

RIP terrorist brothers

If ten years of direct interaction with train guards has taught me anything its that a good majority of them are bullies that take any opportunity to flex their meat-head muscles and I would wager the incident went like this 1. Some 75kg poor drunk schmoe down on his luck gets a little carried away on the booze and takes his frustration slightly out on others 2. Meathead 145kg train guard who spends his days at the gym and nights on the train is keen to show off his ufc skills and waits for the tiniest amount of provocation to be able to try and get away with smashing the guy

Nazis, ill-advised. In the Court of the Real World, wars aren't illegal...unless you lose. International laws clearly show that you are wrong. Invading a country and starting a war is illegal regardless of the outcome.

Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'. i tend to put this into the same catagory of Hitler not being a direct threat to the US...yet we wanted him out of power (even long before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor). Wether or not you agree or disagree with the presidents reasons for entering into conflict, SH was a bad man, an evil dictator, and is better off not being in power. “entering into conflict” does it just magically happen does it? Was the conflict already going? Its called the supreme crime of aggression; invading a sovereign nation. At least give back to the 100,000s of dead people your country killed what little you can by calling it what it is instead of whitewashing American foreign policy with “entering the conflict”. SH was a bad guy AND an evil dictator? I am not ten years old and you don’t have to speak to me like one, unless that is just reassuring yourself. SH was a murdering dictator, who you helped all throughout his worst crimes and then you put him on trial for all those crimes that you helped him with. None of which had anything to do with invading the country.

What should we use now? Supreme crime of aggression? Terrorism? I guess those would be more fitting true

Nazis, ill-advised.

Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'.

I will translate that even further seeing as you didn't get it Here is what I have openly voiced my distaste for about the US 1. The government and military past and present 2. Its rising Christian fundamentalism Assume from this that I like everything else about the US. Interestingly I also don't like those two things about a lot of other countries... almost all of them in fact. See... here's the thing... if all you ever do is bitch and moan and criticize any given topic, it's pretty difficult for others to understand that you have anything other than negative feelings about that topic. Interestingly enough, you still haven't stated anything that you like about this country. Hmm. You say you like everything, except our government and Christian fundamentalism. How about our capitalist system?... that exploits cheap labor in underdeveloped countries? How about our materialism? Excessive consumption and pollution? All good? Well I only made a list of what I can remember complaining about in this forum but now that you mention those things yes it is probably obvious I would also dislike them too. I didn't realise I had to make compliment sandwiches given that it is a forum for political discussion (disagreement) but that is a novel idea and I will try it now 1 (bread) I really admire Eugene Debs 2 (meat) I really dislike the way your government has and still continuous to murder millions of people 3 (bread) Fox news is hilarious you guys make great comedy shows

Is there anything about the USA that you admire or consider worthy? If you have anything positive to say about this country, I'd love to hear it. There are probably many things. You seem to be confusing government and military with culture and people. Again, if you have anything positive to say about this country, I'd love to hear it. Or are you just going to stick with "I hate America" and "you just don't get it" approaches? I will translate that even further seeing as you didn't get it Here is what I have openly voiced my distaste for about the US 1. The government and military past and present 2. Its rising Christian fundamentalism Assume from this that I like everything else about the US. Interestingly I also don't like those two things about a lot of other countries... almost all of them in fact.