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Jo Replies: Robt99 no need for me repeat your post in its entirety. NOTE - you stated "IF portions of the bills were actually found 3 ft deep in the sand". I will assure you when the money was found it was NOT 3 ft deep and never was. Any shards that they found below the surface think! Remember this and I have explained it before. Take gold glitter and put in the sand - and then start to build yourself a sand Castle. Watch what happens when you dig where the glitter is. This was explained in another way in the scientific world - this one is just a elementary lesson and one I learned as a kid on the beaches of FL in the 40's. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Then why do you not accept Ckret's statement t that the bundles were not all equal? Simple Simon Jo Weber can answer that one for you...my opinion only! BECAUSE there had been other statements by other AGENTS and those on the beach in 1980 when the money was found - that stated differently. Remember the family who found the money had taken it home and tried to separated the bills and dry it out. ALL the FBI has is WHAT they told them regarding the bills and the family had attempted to separate the bundles. I expect upon finding it impossible they decided to contact the authorities and hope a bank would reimburse the money - but, they evidently were unaware they had Cooper Money or they would have called the FBI before trying to separate the bills. MY OPINION! All Cret (CARR) could have know was what was in the record and what was purportedly told by the Ingrams. I expect what was reported by the Ingrams and the condition of the money - might have indicated that. Doubt full Ckret RE-QUESTIONED the young Ingram boy. Ckret imposed many of his OPINIONS into the case rather than FACT. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The post below has a serious error in it. Sheridan was at Issaquah and Richard was a smokejumper and in control of Intermountain. It was called to my attention I interchanged the names - so others were confused as to WHO I was talking about. PS Added one day later: Sorry about the confusion as I for some reason said Richard rather than Sheridan. Sheridan was the "Bubble" guy and at Issaquah and is a profession writer. Richard Peterson was a smokejumper and headed up Intermountain Communications from 1962 to 1972 and was known as Paperlegs Petersen. He was also known for a technique he used to avoid landing in trees with equipment the smokejumpers learned to use to avoid incidents of entanglement and injury. Duane Weber had mentioned knowledge of or knowing BOTH Petersons - so that is why the name get entangled when I tell about these thing. A thank you to the guy with the private email letting me know I had made an error...it was not intendious or malicious....JUST old woman forgetting there are 2 men and 2 issues with the last name Petersen. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Did Jo Weber really just use the word "dissed"? Sorry Jo, it caught me off guard. Excuse me! Did you not think the paragraph not important enough to quote it in its entirety. "In retrospect after answering some question today by email and then an unexpected phone conversation with another individual - I have made some connections I explored many yrs ago - pre-2000, but I was dissed and ignored and I did NOT have a computer or know anything about forum participation." I was dissed and ignore regarding the information I provided that I have mention again only recently. That being about Issaquah and the car at the airport. The FBI ignore that in its entirety. I was referencing the information I discussed in the last couple of days with two other individuals. These were things I discussed only with Mr. H and the Active FBI never discussed these things with me. I now realize that information was VERY important and probably relevant to Weber. The FBI never listened to me - because most of what I was saying was to Mr. Himmelsbach and the FBI was NOT interested enough to communicate with me on these subjects. I was treated like a typical woman of the 60's - a NON person in respect to Duane and no questions asked about what I remembered nor any contact made with me to see if I remembered other things. (The trip in 1979 was NOT discussed with me by an active FBI agent in its entirety). The only one who heard that was Mr. H. He was NOT active FBI and I do NOT know how much he related to the ACTIVE FBI. The first agent spent a lot of time with me in that 1st meeting. The next and the last time I saw him was when he brought back the original papers he copied. Since I knew little about the crime - there should have been an AGENT in WA to ask me more questions and Cooper specific. That did not happen. In 1998 I recieve a letter dismissing Duane based on fingerprints!????? Only until I made a fuss with an agent about the McNeil and the Army and his stating Duane was NEVER in the ARMY and NOT a resident of MCNEIL. His return call was curt and short - NOR did he ask me how I got my information or how much more detailed was my information. Only after I went PUBLIC in 2001 did anything happen - by then I was so pissed I COULD not talk to them and Doug Pasternac had to do it for me....I didn't want to be in the same room with them. They did this on film, but I never knew if it was aired - even then Doug and I knew little compared to what would be learned when I got the computer and was able to reach individuals I had not before. Take for example the Night Clerk - he was ignored and he is COMING to the STATES in September. I do NOT know for how long and where he will be staying as he no longer has family in WA that I am aware of. They waited until his mind was tainted by the media and my discussions with him. I wish I had recorded my original conversation with him - it was simple and to the point and the wife of the day who he has been divorced from him for yrs - stands by him on the Cooper things to this day. By the time we could get someone to video him - he had been looking at and reading too many things - so his story had changed just a bit...his basic was the same. I have no idea what he discussed with Carr...other than Carr hardly gave him the time of day and the man was on medication from his surgery for removal of a kidney due to cancer. THAT interview would NOT have happened if I had not shamed Carr on the thread about it. So YOU fuss about my using the word dissed! Duhhh! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

These GUYS need a little help with their history!

THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT POST I HAVE EVER MADE! Please read it and absorb it! I have exchanged emails with 2 individuals in the last 24 hrs. One conversation triggered certain memories and the other one intersected. These 2 guys DO not know of each others existence. Without divulging the individuals I will discuss one now and another later tonight or tomorrow. Some times an old mind needs a little poke once in awhile. First: Answering question about my communications with Petersen while he was at Issaquah. They were by phone before 2000. Mr H has suggested I needed to speak with Richard Petersen, but I did NOT know who was other than what Mr. H told me about his having a skydive school or place at Issaquah. Not sure,but believe Mr. H. provided the phone number. In retrospect after answering some question today by email and then an unexpected phone conversation with another individual - I have made some connections I explored many yrs ago - pre-2000, but I was dissed and ignored and I did NOT have a computer or know anything about forum participation. Remember the FBI did not give me the time of day after the initial 2 yrs & after my cornering the agent in 2000 about the errors made regarding the military records of Weber. They have been very kind the last few months & I actually got to talk to the agent of record twice since the first of the yr. All aside. The car left at the airport near some warehouses has bugged me very much - because Duane told me about the car being left in that location on our trip in 1979 . MOST IMPORTANT #P below: This was after we left Vancouver & drove over along the river on the OR side and he pointed out a lot of low garage type buildings & made a statement similar to this "I used to know a guy who left a car there one time". Now he used that phrase many time on the trip, but this one bugged me after I learned a CAR was actually left there. The car left at the airport was NOT common knowledge and why would Weber even remember that little tidbit, if all he had was a causual relationship with the crime by reading about it in the South? Mr. H had told me the car was a rental left by some business men. NO ONE would or could tell me the name of that business. Remember that when I spoke to Mr. Himmelsbach I thought he was relaying everything I said to the FBI. I never knew what Company and/or the location of the companies who rented the car. THIS is VERY Important to me now! If that company was out of TX or GA or LA and if the names of the companies correlate with known connections to WEBER & or Collins that is a NEED to know FACT! I speak not only of Companies Duane associated with under Duane L. Weber but also John Collins. WHY? Mr. Himmelsbach had suggested I contact Richard Peterson which I did while he was still in the Issauquah area. Peterson was contacted by the FBI because there had been a group of business men who for some reason provided a skyjump experience in a contest. I never found out who the business was or where they were located at. I did NOT think about how absurd this idea was until now! Since a car registered to a legitimate company was left at the airport - I have reason to revisit this train of thought. Felt it frivilous thinking before, but NOT so sure anymore. Seems some reports came out of Issaquah regarding Cooper. Perhaps someone in that group remembered a man who resembled Cooper? I am going back and pull the names of past employers of Weber/Collins that I am aware of and send them to the FBI. I will then send 377 (who I trust) this list just encase. If any of those names show up - and the FBI should still have the names of the company the car was rented by. Finding the company associates and officers should be a matter of record. If the job was done in 1972 that should have been done then. In the event something happens in the mean time - the FBI has copies of Duane's tax records and W2's. You guys need to remember this. Do not forget the records here in thread w/ the W'2s & the FBI should have a record of the company and/or individual who rented that car. I still have old emails from a guy who is now deceased - & he was warning me to not continue to investigate that angle (we exchanged private emails)he used to yrs ago post on this forum and then he went POOF! I assumed he died. Probably would NOT have revisited this old "thing" had someone not have enquired about my prior contacts with Richard Petersen before I had a computer. Richard did NOT connect Skyjack71 to those 2 phone calls as if he did he NOT acknowledge me when he briefly dropped into the thread. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I trust ZERO JT has to say. He has told so many XXXX that I do NOT believe ONE word of what he says. Now I think I KNOW his MOTIVE! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

These GUYS need a little help with their history!

And WHO would Vern be - would his last name start with a P?

Well, what can I say - I have been saying East for 17 yrs. I didn't know until I went to WA for the 2ed and 3rd time (2001 and then confirmed it in 2010)....yet,this thread and "others" concluded the flight was West of Portland and I have argued for yrs it was NOT. I still say the airplane was on East side of Portland as it crossed the river. All I had was my memory and the things a man showed me and told me. A man who said "I'm Dan Cooper" only a few days before he died. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Speaking of the WW theory, remember when Jerry Thomas recounted launching test packets in the Washougal? I think he said the results supported the washdown theory. 377 Claimed, but NEVER proven! One can say what they wish to make a point, but that does not mean it is fact or proven. I know of few who would have the creditials to make a statement like that based on the science and backed up by the science. I Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

He has been missing for a few days. Perhaps he is busy or maybe he went to WA. Hope he went to WA. Wish he was in WA. Shutter didn't diss me like others, but that does not mean he thinks Weber could be Cooper, just that he and 377 are more civil and open minded when addressing anyone and everyone. NOT a good day - NOT a good day at all. Won't bore you with it - just what I used to do all day takes me all day to do. Well, there come a time when even that statement is NOT adequate. Perhaps it is time to write an addendum to that popular phrase. What I used to do all day - is now a pain to begin with! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert99 I called you a troll? (that is Georger who usually use the Troll thing), but I did suggest you were an FBI plant. Ass and moron get kicked around in here a lot - What did you do to piss me off? I have never suggested you are some kind of pervert and or child molestor or murderer. You get adamant with me and insist you are right and suggest I am the moron. If your explanation was demeaning - I can absolutely say I probably called you an "ass". Definitely not going to dwell on it....although it is not a terminology I normally use. I did suggest you were an FBI plant.

Put it this way! Bruce is WAY below the poverty level. I have heard some of the details about his living conditions and I assure you NO one on this thread could or would live under those conditions. If I wrote about some of the things we may or may not know about Bruce, what would be the benefit of it? He probably would sue me if I did - but, that is the way it is. Those who have are sued. Those who have not will find a reason to sue and the system will provide them a free lawyer. I know an individual who lost everything because of a lawsuit. Yrs later the individual BRAGGED about HOW he/she took the other person to the cleaners. He was already broke again a few yrs later and was setting someone else up. He went to prison for fraud, but the other person had lost everything. This world is UPSIDE down and so are many of the judgements given in the courts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert99 that was uncalled for - I only spoke about what was happening and regarding Blevins and Georger hashing it out over insults in Bruce's writing. You have a MOTIVE to silence me and I know this, but I try to objective. YOU KNOW I have actually presented to the FBI and/or others things that could help solve the case. Your post makes one wonder what your INVOLVEMENT is. Jo Weber does not attack - instead she tries to defend others to slow down and think how hurtful their remark are! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Was doing a POST telling them to CHILL as you were posting your warning. I am going to let my post stand because it is something that NEEDS to be addressed. NO ONE should demean victims or suspects in the manner writers have done in the past. Some writers think the perversed sells books. Bruce gets off on TWISTS that hurt others...such as Tina and her family and invaded their private space not 1 time but many times. Those defending Bruce forget about the times he has demeaned them or others they defended. Bruce's book has many upset. I find it disgusting the way he makes comments like suggesting a suspect was a child molester (NOT a GOOD thing). Agree to disagree, but do not slander or demean. Bruce would have been more served to have only explored the case and the subjects without demeaning and slandering and tormented those living a nightmare on earth or demeaning those already deceased with suggestive horrid remarks. No matter how much one LIKEs Bruce or the things he wrote - they need to be addressed outside of this thread and not argued about publically as that only encourages others to exploit Cooper, Tina, Suspects, Victims - and anyone ever involved in this case. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

To All: Over the yrs Bruce had done a lot of distasteful things. He DOES take and put twists on to individuals he is writing about - but, he TAKES too many liberaties in how he judges people....and makes it public. Freedom of SPEECH does NOT mean that we can make known to the world things that are distateful and unproven....he get twisted in his thinking and goes beyond facts - he goes into a deep part of his own mind which is scary. Remember what he did to Tina? Tina and her family should speak up, but they CANNOT. Their lives have been disrupted to many time and for way too long. Bruce takes his story telling to a level worse than tabloids used to be and goes into the world of SMUT - leaving scars on those he victimizes. His own mind envisions things and then makes them public - that is wrong. NO one person should have to face slander in that way. He wrote horrible things about Tina and her family .He took what many thought about Kenny and twisted into something filfty and sordid. This is about real people and a real crime - and it is SICKENING to project of sordid things into this case that have NO reason for being. To demean publically those who cannot defend themselves should be a crime. He takes freedom of speech way BEYOND respectful. The people he writes about are real people. Bruce has NO reason to fear since he is poor and has no monies. He could care LESS who he steps on to reach his goals. Bull in a China Closet does not come close to describing his attituted. Some of you that he agrees with will not understand this until his vengance is directed at you and he starts to demean you and your family publically. Most of us cannot afford to sue him - and what do we have to gain other than to put ourselves in debt. Bruce know this and he uses this. There should be a way to stop someone like him from destroying the lives and memories of others. Freedom of Speech should have boundaries! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo, what you do with any type of numbers is not proof of anything. I have not been able to find anything on a "coded letter" when it comes to DB Cooper other than what you are trying to claim. I mentioned that if there was an actual "coded letter" then something could be looked into. myths are started like this. do you remember what stories came about when Buddy Holly's gun was found at the crash site? Are you saying a letter sent to a Newspaper in Reno did not exist? That a article with the CODE was never published! Are you saying the code was a scam by someone who knows me? That someone had to know Duane's Navy and Army numbers. Are you saying the article never existed and the letter was never received? Please explain. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger, why did you edit out your remark. I want to know the names of all of these men - if indeed any of them actually worked with Sheridan. Is Sheridian the 1st one on the second row? If not who is the guy?Quote What remark? Duplicate photos of the same person were eliminated. This is the facial recognition test composite Snowmman posted ages ago which included a few people supposedly related to Sheridan and a few ringers Snowmman threw in. It is what it is. Complain again and I will change it again! What complaint - I wanted to know the names of the guys. I have seen a picture of the 1st one on the first row before but do not remember where. Also the first one on the second row. Just wanted to know if it was random pics or if there was a purpose. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger, why did you edit out your remark. I want to know the names of all of these men - if indeed any of them actually worked with Sheridan. Is Sheridian the 1st one on the second row? If not who is the guy? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

*** Jo's claim that a "code" was created from Duane's military service number (Army & Navy) is completely without merit. There is simply no basic or logic for her reasoning. Robert99 No Basic or logic? I discussed this with Mr. H and mentioned the code in his little metal address book....before I ever went public. At that time I was unaware of the Coded message sent to the Reno (I think) Newspaper. This was done - BEFORE I ever came to this thread! I did not know what the message was until I was posting in the thread. When I talked to Mr. H in the early yrs I had NO knowledge of the content of the coded message sent to a Reno News. I had told Mr. H about the code in the back of the book during the early yrs before I ever spoke to the media....remember I had been into this for 4 yrs before I made media contact. It was 2000 and I was fed up - because OF no communications between myself and the FBI. Then when I cornered the agent on false information - I went PUBLIC. Good Night - just took my medication and I have an early rise in the morning. Lots of pain tonigh! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Yes, Sheridan knew Cossey. Sheridan was one my first contacts before I had a computer. Mr. H had provided me with his number and I had brief, but nice talk with Sheridan during my first 2 or 3 yrs chasing this thing. I never thought to ask Cossey if he knew Sheridan and I did speak with Cossey many yrs later. A relationship between the to guys I did not enquire about. I also agree that is is highly probable the FBI does not have Cooper's DNA unless they have the cigarettes. They had 2 glasses Cooper handled as the whisky bottles were set inside of them and Tina set them aside. Why are you asking about Eugene, Or? That is where Duane's step daughter went before she died and was in some kind of program there - cleaning commercial building. She left the program and went back to CA where she OD'ed because of her habit. She kept some things of Duane's as he was the only father figure she ever had. She had some items she kept in a little case. There was a man in Eugene who thought he could help her - it did not work. I got to have a conversation with her a few months before she died and in that conversation she told me she knew Duane was Cooper. I had called to speak with her mother who was not home. The step-daughter told me at that time she knew Duane WAS Cooper and she was mourning the items she lost in her Eugene move. Duane Weber knew someone in Eugene and he told me about the area....but, he did not want to go down the Coast line. He wanted to go directly to Tahoe. We did NOT got to VEGAS because Duane told me he could never go back to VEGAS. Now I know what that statement meant. The above addresses subjects involving Weber, but the question you guy are asking refernce other individuals. I did want to refresh your mind on Duane's connection to the things you are enquring about. They are ALL in this thread. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Do a search on the Coded letter it is in this thread . The 1st post had a mistake in the walk thru of the code and too late for me to make a correction Later I posted the correction: I believe TWICE in this thread. I have not scanned the method I used to decipher the code, but it is there with 7 being the turn a round number. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

- Anyone who has followed the evidence on the notes in the Newpapers, all of the books and articles written will diss this in a N.Y. minute. I had extensive conversations with 2 of the new papers because I had a personal agenda to track on of the supposed note. It was the army & navy number in code and the letter was mailed just a few miles from where Duane's sister live. The sister I thought I was the woman who was with Duane the last time she laid eyes on him in 1971. In 2004 her relief upon meeting me - she broke into a smile. Then she realized I was not "that" woman who was with Duane. She had a mild heart attack when she found I was visiting her brother and begged me to "Leave the Past in the Past", but she thought I was the woman with him in 1971. The smile on her face and the relief you could see and hear. She sent me a really nice letter letter and in it begged me to leave the past in the past. The brother felt it was about her image with friends - this John said as he walked to the car with me and my husband. She knew her brother had some information to give me "Duane had jumping experience". This note was what John wanted to discuss with me, but instead as we ate dinner there was a call that the sister was in the hospital. John and Tosaw knew each other and John's wife knew the sister. The ywent to the same Bible study classes and belonged to the same boat club until they relocated. John and I were to have a private conversation in his office where he had an amplifier so he could hear me. We never got to do that and talking to John on the phone was useless. By the way the note was found in John s files, but the person who received his file - did NOT know where the NOTE came from. The individual who got the family records has shared hardly anything with me. Perhaps she thinks they have value and some of she could not even view as it was on disks. I will never know what is buried in that. I offered to have someone covert them to disk - but, was told her husband did NOT want to allow us to have access...yet she couldn't do a thing with them as they were. Too many Secrets! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber