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What I posted in a prior post: I have since had a long conversation with the above persons. They are waiting for my maps - ( maps she sent to me that encompass more than what I have ). For 2 days now I have tediously marked this map with markings from multiple maps in my possession now some of which I can thank Sluggo for and the most important one was one sent out of Oregon, by someone who preferred not to be named. A marvelous map. Well, with this new map I have placed any and all markings and quotes and questions from the other maps - it was amazing what I had infront of me when I got thur. It just stood out - how he did it and how he got away and before I send it back I need to find someone to copy this map with all of my markings on it and all of the notes on it. It was a How Did He Do It Map when I got through. Regarding archived new articles and county property records: If important documents have been removed - they generally don't do much if the file is old and of not much value to history such as a news articles that had not been micro-fished. Even old county records - have been found to be missing a page here and there - which puts a cloud on the title of properties (hence why we have Title insurance). Just a little information some of you might be interested in. There are additional steps when parts of a title seem clouded due to loss of documentation - title companies do NOT like having to hire someone to do these things, but if it affects more than one property along with the increasing value of the sub-divided properties - it becomes essential. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jerry Posted this: To Jerry: You are the one who is fictionalizing - and I have black and white Documents to prove it. I don't post anything for KICKS, but "We" do explore things - rather than stick with "this is known or that is known". If the FBI had done this - perhaps the case would have been solved yrs ago. To All:

377 stated; Georger stated: Georger: Unable to sit at the computer more than a few moments at a time. Please just list the magazines Georger and the month and issue - and name of Article. If you already have urls for them, what is the problem with sending them to me. To All: I am in communications with a couple from WA who contacted me a couple of wks ago - they are going to do research I asked Jerry to do yrs ago. The man has over 30 yrs experience in search and rescue with bodies in the Columbia. Now maybe I will get real answers. The different pieces of land I asked Jerry to research - he never provided me with any information - names of the owner of these properties and they aren't that difficult to locate - I directed him and he just didn't do it. Mostly farm land prior to 1979 - and few property owners. I also wanted the names of all who were buried prior to 1979 at the memorial cemetery in Washougal - and also to search the newspaper archives for a specific incident during a specific period of time. Research that could have set me free yrs ago - prior to the time I went public in 2000. In The Dalles area there is a certain story that needs to be tracked down about a boy who swept out a shoe store in the 40's and who had a penance for the Fire Dept. He was about 22 yrs old. He also picked apples in season. He spent most of his free time in the caves and running with a group of guys (smoke jumpers) on the WA side. He purportedly had a girl friend and they both disappeared about the same time. She showed up many yrs later with a baby in tow and then again disappeared. There maybe a picture in the archives of this guy working with the fire dept or sweeping up. Why I have always wanted to go to The Dalles and the surrounding areas. This story is from the late 40's, but maybe he came back - yrs later. I have no idea if this story is true or not - but I want to chase it down - just because of the things Duane. himself said when we were at the The Dalles. They correlate in a distance way with this story. If enough is found - I will somehow get to WA and OR to see for myself anything they find. I will send a picture of that book and little girl to every newspaper I can find - if it was Tina then I should find out this yr, because that is all I have left to give. If anyone lost this book and this picture on that flight surely someone made note of it - even if the owner has deceased. I only have a short time to find answers and I want answers - real answers even if they are not what I am looking for. Frankly I don't believe you will find out when you die - when you die you die and that is it. This life is all wwe have..we get it wrong and no one will ever care. We get it right and at least someone remembers - this is not about me but about Duane. That is my mission to uncover his story - to find what he told me and to make some sense out of it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What Parachutist magazine articles? I am not part of the team, but interested in anything that can prove or disprove any part of all of this. Briefly what is the context of the articles and are they on line? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I wish I could talk freely about Duane's past and some of the things I was told - but my hands are tied. I will talk about CB's and Walkie talkies. Duane knew CB's and short waves. Someone in his past explained to me how they kept in touch with each other miles apart (we did not have cells back then)...I cannot tell you why these walkie talkies where used. There was also communication from walkie talkie to car C.B. and back - I didn't know this was possible and have never discussed it before. Needless to say we are talking illegal activity involving the cat and mouse....there goes that Mouse again. I kept this post as generic as possible...but, will someone explore or explain how this would work - switching from CB to walkie talkie communication after reaching the vehicle and being on the move to pick-up the other party. This is WHY I aways said if Cooper actually did go to the bathroom while waiting for the passengers to disembark - he was doing something beside taking a dump. 1. He didn't want the passengers getting a good look at him as the departed. 2. Maybe he was making communications with someone inside the terminal or just out side of the airfield. Remember that when we made our 1979 trip to Seattle he took me on a SHORT CUT that wasn't a short cut but the back side of the airport. There was what looked like it could have been an old 2 story motel (or old offices) in the area outside of the airport when the Plane was parked on the ground. His only comment was "I don't remember that fence being there". Nothing else was said other than the fact that we were on the backside of the airport in Seattle and NOT much had changed. There was conversation about communications because he talked about towers - and since he was telling me where this landing strip was and this airport was - I assumed the towers to be radio or lights to locate the strips and never questioned what these tower where. Others later suggested fire towers, lookout towers, communication and microwave towers. Since we were in wooded areas at times - I ASSUMED fire tower on a couple of these, but would a fire tower be high enough to require a LIGHT? I never thought to ask this question. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger Stated:

I Did Not read another book and I have NOT added to the story. What I have said was that early on in my investigation I was told by "those" (note this is plural) who lived with Duane in the 60's about a man with whom they had contact in N.Orleans and the approximate time. This man was described to me and things that happened during the stay in N.Orleans. I DID NOT know who this man was by name - only by description and occupation of sorts. I did not know this man was Ferrie nor did I know Ferrie's history and the information I was provided with early on was before Bradon came up in this Forum. Therefore I DID not make a strong connection. If the connection between Ferrie and Bradon (if that was his real name) actually existed and what is written about them is true - it is possible there is a connection. It is just another of the strange co-incidences thru out this whole sequence of discovery. I had tried to connect Ferrie with Duane in the past (be sure you read everything I have accounted here and on 101 and unsolved mysteries - add to that my private research prior to 2000). ALL documented in writing and on tape. After a discussion with a young man Duane knew in the 60's - and the name Bradon being mention in the same sequence of events in the article I referred the forum to.....even you should be rubbing you chin. The thread and someone who lofts here is responsible for making the connection between this Bradon and Ferrie available. He had NO idea I had a description in the files and in my memory - that matched Ferrie in appearance and occupation...information provided to me many yrs ago and then again within the last 2 yrs by yet another individual connected to Duane during the 60's. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Your edited post that had orginally referenced cows was edited after I made the MOOOoooo post. Next time I will remember to make the reply in the form of Quote - so the post cannot be changed. CASE CLOSED Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: After your above post you mention having nothing to do but watch the Cows. This was a result of the Quatrain conversations...you had edited or deleted your statement by the time I made my reference to Cows. You had lamented as though you were feeling sorry for yourself or bored...having nothing to do but watch the cows. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: I have presented information the government DOES not want introduced and others DO not want mentioned regarding Cooper. It is a "known" fact Duane knew Ferrie. Under what name I am not sure. I did NOT really know who Ferrie was and the description of this man in N.Orleans several yrs ago didn't mean anything to me as a person and I had no knowledge of Braden, Brading or Bradon at that time... (between 1996 and 2004) and knew little about the JFK controversary. I was unaware of the B - sounding name until it was mentioned in this thread. This man had been described to me by individuals who lived with Weber and where they knew the person from - I was not until I found out who Ferrie was that I put - his picture with the descriptions I had been given yrs ago...not to mention the stories they told me. This only happened in recent wks...I could not chase it out of my mind and still cannot do so. Hence why I posted about this subject which was for nothing more than input and to make this knowledge public knowledge. My reference to MOOO0000 came from your own post and was not insulting you. You had made a post referencing your cows. You can make a post with humor, but unless I adherd to a priciple far above that of anyone else who posts - squealing is heard around the world. What happened to equality in presentation and supposition? Did I perhaps hit a nerve with my posting about Ferrie and Bradon (however it is spelled)? Is this a place Jo is NOT supposed to go? Is this something JO is not suppose to have had any knowledge of? Did the Dumb Blonde let the Cows out? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Acutally read the article I referenced - ALL 20 pages and go back to the spelling that Waugh used which is not Braden or Brading, but Bradon per the post made referencing the book Waugh wrote. Don't be so quick to judge and read what has been said. Remember that Snow also made lots of contributions about the subject - the reference I was sent was NOT singling out any one persons research...it was NOT sent to me because of this Braden or Brading who was mentioned. The article was sent to me because of a different subject altogether and that WAS NOT Bradon...but, I noted the similarities in the name and background to Duane when I read this and remembered our "Bradon" search. I was making a note of this unusal finding within this research NOT related to the Bradon we were searching for. Maybe this is the Bradon we should have been looking for? How does the TIME frame work with Waugh's book? Certainly bears being looked at and remember it was NOT me and the research regarding N.Orleans was for a different subject altogether. I simply thought intellectual minds might want to explore this Bradon in the JFK relation - perhaps they are one and the same. Try the time lines and do the time lines with Weber while you are at it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Below is the old post made by Bruce ages ago: This is what I remembered when reading the material I recieved. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Indeed, Bruce, and if it had come up with a result that slotted with Jo's theory she would be showering you with praise. You need to take the criticism in the context from where it comes. Orange I did not single anyone person out - there were several suggestions about what Waugh meant - we never found one with the specific spelling Waugh stated in the forum, or his book or in a PM to one of us. You guys methodically looked for specific types of training - Waugh said little about his Bradon. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Waugh just said Bradon and we also wonder if it could have Braden and other spellings - so lots of other similar names and spellings were chased. I was not singling you out Bruce and only referrencing maybe "we" got it wrong regarding Waugh's referrence to a Braden or Bradon or Brading. Remember that we did NOT find anything with the spelling Waugh gave us - and we DID go very which way...all of us. You and others searched for a similar individual that would fit the reference Waugh made - but he was NOT specific. He gave us a name and not much more. Unless you had a private conversation with Waugh that I am not aware of - it was research on an individual who would have had certain specific training. We don't know what Waugh was referencing - unless it was by PM's or phone contact that was not part of the thread. I am not sure Waugh actually said that the Bradon - he was referencing was in any specific range of guys. Waugh made few posts that I am aware of. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Please Note: The below site was provided by one of my ANGELS, but the comments are my own. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid.htm All of you so called Braden "chasers" need to check this out at the above site. Could this be the Braden suggested by Waugh before you guys went every which way. Below are some Quotes from this brilliant and intensive research done by Dave Reitzes. Even Dr. William Pepper might be impressed by this and I am sure he is aware of the site. Just how much of this article is truth and how much is fiction - I don't know. It seems to be accurate in its presentation acquired by the writer and others. I do not know how much I can legally quote in this post, but I hope to do ENOUGH to interest each and everyone of you to read this with an open mind and thru a new set of eyes. Keep in mind the past of Duane Weber as you do so and note the cross sections of time. No Duane was NOT Braden or Brading. I don't know what Weber's connection was with all of this other than a broad knowledge of the subject and having spent a lot of time in N.O. on many different occassions. After his death a prior wife and other family members (who are familiar with Duane's yrs -- 1962/1969) and (personally knew him during those yrs) have verified some of the information acquired. Please read the complete article with an open mind and if you know the author and how to contact him - please let me know. Everything below is quoted from the article titled Phone Factoid: Tortured connection by Dave Reitzers: As if Garrison's assumptions had not confused things enough, journalist Peter Noyes introduced a new element into the scenario in 1973. Noyes' Legacy of Doubt centers on a man picked up for questioning in Dealey Plaza immediately following the assassination. He and three associates were in town on business and happened to have registered at the Cabana Motor Hotel on the evening of November 21, 1963, the same evening Jack Ruby would drop by to visit with Larry Meyers and friends.(54) This man's name was Jim Braden. Who was Jim Braden? In a sworn affidavit, the 49-year-old Braden gave the Sheriff's Office a California address, and related the following story. He was in Dallas on oil business,(55) and happened to have been "walking down Elm Street trying to get a cab,"(56) when he arrived at the corner of Elm and Houston, where people in the crowd were saying that the President had been shot. Stepping into the Dal-Tex Building, across the street from the Texas School Book Depository, he asked "one of the girls"(57) -- presumably a receptionist -- if there was a telephone he could use. She directed him to the third floor. He took an elevator there with a number of other people, only to be informed that the pay phone was out of order. On his way back downstairs, the elevator operator observed that he was a stranger to the building, and alerted a police officer to his presence. (58) Because Braden had only a credit card for identification, he was taken into custody, then released once the authorities were satisfied he was not involved with the assassination.(59) Braden and Weber have pasts that are similar as you will read below: Jim Braden was the recently adopted name of Eugene Hale Brading, who possessed a lengthy rap sheet and alleged ties to organized crimes. Brading often made his living by wooing lonely, wealthy widows, a practice which caused him at times to make his living behind bars." (60) Understandably, however, in trying to link Braden to the Kennedy assassination, Noyes chooses not to belabor the fact that Braden's rap sheet runs the gamut from theft to fraud to embezzlement, but there is nary a violent offense to be seen.(61) In a move replete with irony, none other than Jim Garrison himself would later write that after "sustained analysis," "it was clear that Braden's contribution to the assassination was a large zero."(62) Be that as it may, fate had a few surprises in store for Mr. Braden. Read the entire article and again Braden and Weber are not the same unless one can be in 2 places at one time. I just thought you guy might be interested in a little diversion since you seem bored. Georger - Jackasses don't M000oooooo! Or do they? HEE HAW! Was that you or me? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger it is also a great out for someone like you who knows I have discovered something. Such as the guys were chasing the wrong Braden. Maybe Braden wasn't his real name and he had a different name before it became Braden...just to make it more difficult for jerks like me me and other investigators to connect the DOTS and YOU GEORGER KNOW exactly what I am referring to. Your mission has been to confuse and defuse - you failed. All you did was delay the truth. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The Dr. sent me straight to MRI today - and the strangest thing happend in that machine today. The first part was OK doing the shoulder and then she did my femur - and I told her it felt like there were little worms crawling around. The technician never has anyone tell her that before. Has anyone here - ever had their tissues beneath the skin in the muscle and nerves and ligament - Feel like there were several tiny tiny worms crawling inside of you while have an MRI. No contrast as my skin has little hemoragics all over the arm. Haven't had any prednison in 6 months so they can't blame it on medication now. The pain medication has been making me nauseated - just a trade off I guess. Tonight a couple of finger tips on the left hand feel like they have been burned when I touch the keys. Expect that is a matter of inflamed nerves. Right now they don't know if this is something new or part of the same old thing that has been going on for the last 3 yrs. To uncomfortable to post anymore. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Had an appointment with my hemotologist today and OBAMA cancelled it. What really happened is his trip closed down all roads to the Dr.s office and 2 blocks away. My appt was at 10:30 and I could go over at 7:30 and "Hang Out" - the appointment clerks language. Because of my being sensitive to heat and not feeling like driving the longer route nor navigating the traffic his visit was creating - I just rescheduled. BUT, it is impressive to say Obama canceled my Dr.s Appt.

Here is another one - can Genius Boy Georger figure this one out. Ferrie, Braden, Weber and the Steel Guitar. Happy New Yr, Anywhere USA from Rick and Elaine. Georger - is wearing a wig and fake eyebrows. And changed his name to Braden. This makes sense to no one, but hidden within those words are clues to a sinister past. Whose? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. By the way I was actually very very wasted when I made that last post and you know what "I deserved it" - It felt good, to just let it all out. A quatrain is a stanza of four lines - just what does that have to do with what I said? Now if you put five triangles inside of a square what would you have? Has to be 5, but could be more and has to be odd numbers. The entire square has to be filled with triangles - no blank space.

Hey, good advice and by the way I am wasted for the first time in yrs and yrs. You know that is good advice - just hope you can read this - ain't got much longer and what the hell who it hurts -right. What I need is the information I got with the names which I can't remember right now. Really really very drunk. Hey I type ok drunk - right? In a phone call someone callled me Smart - Like a Fox - well not really - I got that disease called DUMB BLONDE Sydrome. Got more information today - not really very good info - that is why I just killed a bottle of wine this evening. Has nothing to do with Cooper - just me. Well, I guess it does, but not in relation to Cooper unless you think the CIA or FBI wants to kill me off to shut me up. Don't give me no mind tonight - just in a funky mood and it will pass...I hope! The war is not over yet. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

"Recent information flooding the libraries and the bookselves - our government had no choice, but to make files available. There were many files destroyed and those we will never see...other than what the veterans themselves are publishing." "The government (all depts) never expected technology for the general public to advance so quickly." Just a couple of phrases I mentioned in the past regarding something else, but they are very fitting for my last couple of days. Recent contacts only inforced my belief in the above statements. Resurrecting the dead and getting a statements from two individuals could open another whole can of worms - but I have had my hand in that can before. Will it prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but what it will do is enforce other things Duane told me and that they were NOT lies or tales...therefore why would he lie about Cooper. This can of worms could enforce his knowledge of what was required to make the jump - but, I have to do it one step at a time. Getting statements from these two individuals will re-open old wounds - am I willing to do that? Not sure at this time and not sure how to even go about it. The FBI should do this and not me and if I give them any information they will wait until these 2 individuals have deceased (one is ill and the other is not a good position). At least with this information, if I can verify it - I do have a few answers to the past of one Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins and heavens only know how many other aliases. This new information on two fronts at least lets me know there are people who have listened to me in the past and that are following what is happening. "A matter of National security". That statement has an echo. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: Did they test it for other locations such as around The Dalles or Wa.Indian reservation or the Hood River area. Duane claimed to know someone who lived down that road which went to Mt Hood and that general area. He also pointed out an area below Bonneville - Mattney creek area. He disappeared for over 5 hours that morning when he left The Dalles and returned soiled. He kept an old work Dickey coveralls in the trunk encase of car problems or a flat tire. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

. I have an old map of the area that shows all the gravel pits at the time of the jump. Remember that when Duane and I turned and went North he said that if we stayed on that road we would end up at a gravel pit and Battleground lake. He also mention the other gravel pits not far from the Scholls Airport and without looking at that old map there are several others. There was one at Bonneville . WA abounded in those old gravel pits, but I had no idea what significance they might be, but these are the ones he mentioned. He also knew where all the towers, air strips and cemeteries where...the power lines and rail lines and the pipelines and the Hat. If one knew the location fo the gravel pits - what occupations in that from 1945 to 1968 used those gravel pits. Was the gravel used for cement, roads, construction of air strips, I have not got a clue. Just trying to tie up his knowledge of the area and didn't look at a map - when and why. He had to have been in the area for a period of time to be able to navigate and point out things without a map. Seems like the FBI could have at least have pinned that down for me with old SS records. It is a simple search for the FBI but a legal and costly one for a widow to pursue...I know how much/what yrs, but not where. I have no record of yrs under other aliases. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber