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So did I and it does not mean a thing to the FBI. Not one IOTA. Since I have not read your book would you please answer some questions I have about the past of your subject? 1. There is one question the FBI always asks and the only one they are ever going to respond to. Can you put your subject on the plane? 2. What was you subject's relationship to WA prior to 1971? Cooper had detailed knowledge of the area - WA was not chosen on a whim. 3. Why would you choose for your book "the staged picture of your subject supposedly re-enacting his crime"? If your subject was Cooper he would have been sure to have included something very specific - privey to only the crew and not privey to the public. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Regarding Tina and Blevns: This is funny. The dynamic duo of Blevins/Porteous is more like "the motley crew." Porteous has been reported to me as being a pretty nice guy. Blevins is another story - he has "pestered the News reporters in Salt Lake City constantly" Wonder why? The gravevine has it that Blevins "BIG" DB Cooper event was a flop and only a few individuals attended. Why doesn't he note how many actually attended this event as quests.... If 4 out of 5 "guest" thought Christainsen was Cooper - prove it! Show us proof. If Cooper was still alive - bet he would have made a surprise visit. He would have been grinning the whole time he was there and no doubt pulling silver with 20 dollar bills. Perhaps I shoud send Tina Mucklow a copy of Blevins book - because I can actually get it to her and Blevins has to depend on "family or friends of the family" to do this. Frankly I wouldn't insult her intelligence with what I have heard about the book in this thread. PS Someone is sitting very pretty right now - like a cat ready to pounce. When the History Channel Documentary is announced - a well known journalist is ready and waiting to tell the other side of Blevins story. When your own witnesses turn coats on you - that is NOT a good thing, right? The DEVIL made me do IT....and it feels so so ssoooo good. Maybe that night on the news - an announcement will be made about the REAL Cooper, who had NO connection to Christainsen. Maybe some one should buy that boy a puppy dog - make it a sheltie - they are very tolerant. I have medication in me tonight big time, so up up and a way I shall go. Have a good night. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thanks Quade, I wondered what had happened - what is a code tag so I don't mess up again....the thread just went all out of whack, but I didn't know it was my fault. So sorry. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

HA HA HA if you know where I was born and where I went to grade school and high school you know how to get the names of the students. Then you try to contact individuals with those names who may have stayed in the locality. Girls are more difficult. Almost everyone had at least a group picture with their teacher or individual pics. I do not know that much about private schools, but the Catholic School in our area did...we didn't have a private school. It is easy to find friends I had in school, it was a small community and some of them still live there. 377 can tell you how easy it is to find someone in my home town! There is a forensic genealogist who found me this way - and she read my entire history off to me. I didn't know this woman and was afraid she was trying to do an identity theft. Turns out she was someone interested in helping he...with Cooper. She told me things about myself I had even forgotten about. This is the photo I have and all of you are familiar with it, but Blevins is not. There are 3 attachments for his benefit. They are currently in the hands of specialist and if they can determine if the little girl in the picture and Tina are one and the same....this information will be delivered to the door steps of the FBI office along with a very good copy of the book it was contained within. P.S. Georger had told us the ears where different, but the preliminary findings are different from Georger's opinion (and I have NO knowledge of Georger's credentials in photographic reconstruction and comparisons of human facial structures). So far they cannot tell the color of the little girls eyes because of the photo - but, he hair was a medium to light honey blonde, but I already knew that since I saw the photo before if fell apart. It is going to take about a month for them to do this since it is a progratis assistance for individuals who are helping me. Others just want me to thrust the picture and the book into Tina's face - but, I refuse to do this. Of course this is what Blevins would do if he actually knew where to find her and then he would extort her words...I refuse to do these kind of things. I will admit now that my days on this earth are moving pretty rapidly - I am NOW more prone to taking actions I refused to do early on...and have reconsidered somethings. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have NO IDEA what Batman's Riddler is! NONE of what I am saying is a tease - these guys are doing some amazing research and I am not dodging anything - just being cautious. I NEVER said it was Tina's prayer book, but something I believe may have belonged to her. The FBI has NOT even asked me about it even though they are aware this "book" exists. All they tell me is to put it in the mail - BULL! Do you really believe I would EVER SEE that book again? The FBI or "someone" has gone to a lot of trouble to MAKE SURE there are NO pictures out there of a pre-teen Tina Mucklow between the ages of 7 and 12. Detailed copies of the picture of the little girl and the book - along with 3 different photos of Tina Mucklow I have been able to obtain thru Media sources are currently being studied by a specialist in this field. If you handed a smoking gun with prints on it to the FBI and they did NOT check the prints or test the gun to see if the bullets matched those found at the crime scene - what would you call that? One thing for sure - I did not make the co-pilot's nor the rest of the crews contacts or email addresses available to the public nor have I dogged them or misquoted them as certain writers and other interested parties have done...simply to line their own pockets...or to fabricate a story. I sought only the truth. Himmelsbach is the only one I persistently contacted - because I trusted him for quidance... I trusted the FBI to do what needed to be done. Now amateur and professional sleuths, artists, criminologist, historians, private citizens, retired law enforcement, specialist in the movements of the Columbia and other WA waters, media individuals and a few professionals I cannot mention who surprised even me with their assistance....have stepped forward during the last few months to help me. I stopped trying to prove Duane was Cooper and was willing to just learn more about this man I was married to - but, this search opened up doors I did not know existed. I cannot nor will I identify the individuals who are helping me and the information they have found. What they found was information I requested and was denied to me by other parties. What MOTIVE would these individuals or organizations have to conceal the past of Duane Lorin Weber or John C. Collins and other alias names he used. By stalling on the information tree and due to the age of the crime and any of those that were involved it was hoped the truth would never be known....that time would erase this crime from history. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Good Luck. At least you don't have someone from this forum making threats the way I do. He ordered me to back down and NOT post. Individuals in Oregon,Washougal and The Dalles and other areas have been helping me and have acquired the information I asked this person to help me with over 12 yrs ago. The job has been done. With a 1974 Mesker map this person could have obtained - I have contacted the property owners - and traced the heirs. In 1997 that area had only started its developement and most of what I asked about was still there and even in 2000 when I went out to WA., but I would not find it until the crew left because they had been directed to take me everywhere, but the right places. I describe these in emails to the producer before going to WA in 2001 and on a radio station the yr before in 2000. This was a three way inteview with Doug Pasternak and myself and the interviewer. I suggest a lot of people listen to the silence in Seattle right now. The FBI is NOT pursuing any leads at this time. They put up a false screen with the DNA and Carr, but it backfired...and rather than end the rumors their investigation only fired more rumors and more suspects. Now they just want to wash their hands of Cooper. Repeatedly I asked individuals who live in the WA and OR area to help me - but that help was not forthcoming until certain individuals saw the National Geographics Documentary. One party was so enraged by the outrageous claims, they went to great expremes to locate me, even though the show did not mentioned Weber. ALL of the research I requested from a certain party and part of what I requested from the FBI has been done. Then another party contacted me and this has esculated into a very intense search...involving a lot of detail searching of archives - in the area Duane claimed to have worked. None of this will prove that Duane was Cooper, but it does prove that he did NOT lie to me about the other things he told me and showed me on that trip. I intensely questioned one certain party about employment with the pipelines and powerlines and the gravel pits and the cemeteries. Not one time was an attempt made to acquire this information even though I asked. When I inquired about certain pieces of properties - he knew who owned them or his wife's family owned them at one time. I put the photo of the little girl out there and the book it was in. The forum even noted the strong resemblance of the little girl and Tina.....Soon I will have some answers - maybe nothing that will prove Duane was Cooper, but none the less - ANSWERS to questions that could have been provided to me 14 yrs ago. Why was Weber's past in the WA and OR area such a BIG secret that the FBI and others denied he was ever there other than the FBI's statement "He passed thru McNeil"? This alone shoud cause some to question the motives of the FBI and others. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Congratulation on your jump. As for proof - think about why Tina is so evasive - why her background is so evasive. NOT one individual can produce a photo of her as a child. Not one investigator has been able to approach her...and there are lots who have tried over the yrs. In prior conversation with the FBI - all they would say is put him on the plane. The bag, the money, the stub, the ticket - 3 of which I held in my hand. There waa a 20 dollar bill neatly folded up the size of a quarter...but this was before I knew the story of Dan Cooper.....I will let your imagination go with that one...yea Dumb Blonde Sydrome! There was the hardware I sold for a quarter at a garage sale and only afterward did the man tell me what it was. It would still be several months later before I knew the story of Dan Cooper. If only Duane had told me "I am D.B. Cooper - and I need for you to get me a recorder...or contact the FBI"...... Think about why Tina is so obscure - maybe Cooper took something that belonged to Tina and she was the only one who could identify him. She was 22 yrs old. Duane had a daughter who was born in 1946 who resembled Tina - the last time he saw her she was about 9 yrs old and told him she never wanted to see him again. That was the only thing he ever told me about his daugter. The ex-wife did add something about his trying to see her when she turned 22, but that was all she told me. The mother's name was Edna and we believe the child was born in Mesa, AZ. and that her name was Zona. We were never sure of the birthplace, other than the family receiving a phone call from Mesa, Arizona from a woman who claimed to be in a family way and that Duane was the father. This woman (Edna) is mentioned in a letter to his mother he wrote from San Quentin asking that she be allowed to stand in for him at his father's funeral. He took responsibility for his father's death, but as the family has told me - he would later cause his mother more grief prior to her death. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane - and my daughter also looked like the little girl in the photo just the way Tina looked like the little girl in that photo...yet the photo and the book could NOT have belonged to his daughter - nor to Edna the mother of Zona...due to the date of the book and the period of the uniform. Let your imagination go on this one...and then you find a photo of Tina Mucklow prior to her teen yrs! Weber knew what Tina Mucklow's married name was ... because he enquired about another person with that same in a small town in CO...I was with him when he did this - and wondered what his interest was in this person. It was not until I was investigating the background of the case after I contacted the FBI - that I found that Tina's married name was the same as this school teacher Duane enquired about. He was too interested in the first name of this teacher's wife who would have been about the age of Tina. He was MORE than casually interested in this person...but back in 1980 it did not mean squat to me. He was running scared, but it turns out this particual person was not the XXXXXX mentioned in the newspaper. His resignation was dated the day after the newpaper had an article about Cooper's money find. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If I told ya I'd have to kill ya! Definitely not worried about getting sued - more like living to tell it. During the Holocaust individuals kept records. A lot of this stuff survived and now we know things about these people we would never have known before. Same way with our own government. 1000's of men were involved in "secret" stuff (after WW11) and many are starting to write their memoirs now from their notes and other papers. Photos are becoming available that where NOT supposed to exist and "other things". They jeopardize their own security by coming forward but, are making sure their heirs are able to tell the story for them. The papers are full of Obits for WW11 veterans now. The service personnel of the 50's and 60's are more savy and are also compiling their memories now. The era of Military Secrets. As long as the government peels off the benefits they don't talk (hence a lot of the new compensations that have been approved, for things that are just normal and not a result of Agent Orange or other war things). The disgruntled and seriously ill - note the new approvals for illnesses that are just part of the normal aging process for average Americans. . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Are you one of the wing divers the TV did a documentary on? I found this very fascinating. Seems like one of them got killed shortly after or before the documentary was made - (if I remember right). The filming on this was amazing ( my favorite word when it comes to skydivers ). Until that documentary I didn't know what Wing diving was. Looked very very dangerous. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I heard these things, but since I didn't know what some of the sounds where - I left it along hoping someone like you would make a comment. The roar - was my clue (lion or bear sound), but was unaware a bird could make that sound. Since I do not know the sounds of the WA. forest I wasn't going to say a word until someone else did. There were paths and a bridge - so this man should have known what was within a couple of miles of his home. Just hearing something that sounded like a lion or bear - didn't feel right to me (but we have bears here which come into yards and climb trees and forage from garbage cans)...thankfully I have not experienced this in my immediate neighborhood. I have animals in my neighborhood....alligator, frogs, snakes, turtles, lizards, chameleons, spiders, mosquitoes, moles, rabbits, occasionally a deer, doves, ospreys, hawks, blue birds, ducks, terns, etc. This was my first yr. to ever actually see the woodpecker(in this area)...it was a pleasant surprise. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

DEAR SIR: DID YOU spent 2 hours talking to the artist who did the composites? Well, prior to 2000 an investigative reporter on my behalf did just this with Rose who did the composites. You have NOT talked to this artist and this man is the closest anyone will ever get to hearing the description given by the witnesses (things the FBI has not revealed). As I said before you need to read this thread and the closed thread! Let me explain that there are things the FBI did NOT tell the public...about the appearance of Cooper. 1. Note the old unused and undisclosed (until this forum)- Rose composites. 2. Note the artist is trying to portray "xxxxxxx", but was unsuccessful in doing so. 3. None of the composites where in agreement with ALL of the witnesses. 4. I have explained the slanting forehead till I am tired of doing so. Look at what the artist is trying to show. If necessary take the composite and blow it up to letter size ----DO it!. Do it with all of the composites!. A forensic artist (who I consulted - one known nationally) and artist in general pointed these things out to me. 5. The artist tried to depict the slanted forehead and the optical illusions this creates for the observor....Same height, standing over the subject or shorter than the subject. Most of the contact with the subject was by stewardess - shorter than Cooper and who observed him sitting while they were standing. 6. Try to understand how one would depict this type of forehead. 7. Back in the 70's creams such as vaseline and Byrll cream were used to slick down the hair and they did a real good job. When this is applied to the curly hair it makes the hair appear much thinner. I personally have very curly hair and live in a humid climate. Dyed hair with the Clairol products of the 70's made the hair look shiny and also made it straighter (my own personal experience - when I first started graying). 8. When I started this investigation in 1996 - the ex-wife was STILL alive and told me she dyed his hair in the attached photo which SHE sent to me. The photo came right out of her own album (it is an orginal) and the date was written on the back. 9. At that same time she provided me with another photo taken around the same time - it was the glasses that Cooper wore...(they have been discussed in this thread and we did determine they were a the thing of the early 70's) and the kind that Cooper wore. 10. The forum has seen these photos, Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger - I think you are wasting your time on trying to analyze that picture of some money. What you should be doing is trying to find out this man's identity - and if he is even for real. Me thinks it might be a HA HA HA. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Don't know what to think of Stinky Skunk . I have see similar videos - a woman wanted to know where her cat went all day. I watched the stupid thing just like I watched the Skunk video. That cat did what ALL cats do all day - they are always hunting and exploring...or they are sleeping. I can imagine someone trying it on a skunk..after all WHAT does a domestic skunk do when it leaves the house? I still think it is a a JOKE, but I noted something none of you have mentioned about the "money". The bundles appeared to have been in a container or paper bag . Left rear of the video when he shows the money. The money did not look deteriorated enough to be Cooper's money - it has been 38 yrs! I wondered if the skunk was even in a hollowed out tree? Where do skunks go? I know absolutely NOTHING about skunks other than I never want to be around one unless the scent gland has been removed. Maybe this skunk did come up on something, but the likely hood of it being Cooper's money is practically zero... most likely it is a practical joke by one of our own, just to draw attention to Cooper or a promotional to draw attention to Cooper since there are 3 books coming out with-in a short period of time. Note how he starts out by updating the young people. Sounds like a promotional skit to make people aware of Cooper and the Cooper legends and so they start with a Skunk - there are so many Cooper Stories they are all starting to smell a little funny. How would money survive in a wooded area in a container of any kind - in the trunk of a tree or under a log as the man said? There would be sap in a live tree and the tree would grow into whatever item was put within it. A dead tree? There would be mold and the elements even if the opening had been sealed - 38 yrs? If Cooper had access to a steel or plastic box - maybe. They look too fluffy and not stuck together. Well, I guess I will raise a toast to Stinky Skunk tonight and look forward to hearing even more about Stinky's episodes when the media gets hold of this one. I did as Sluggo suggested and played it completely thru. This man has a Canadian or New England accent. This man is definitely not MidWest nor Southern or Western. Listen for these words: Found, Okay, motorcycle, find, the, rotting away under a log - these are just the ones I remember. I have heard Geoffry's voice and it is definitely not him, nor Sluggo, nor Carr, nor SafeCrack, nor Bruce, nor Jerry. There is a definite accent and these voices are the only ones I have heard over the phone or in a video or on the TV. My take is New England or Canadian. What does Skipp Porteous sound like. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins states: Georger then replied:

Excuse ME! I don't believe I ever said I had a signed copy! All the book says is Copyright 1983 Editor Judi Van Cleave No author is mentioned. I contacted way back yrs ago a compnay I was told to contact and a man by the name of Gary W. - no one admits to being the writer of the book. The book has a dedication: In Memory of Billy Van Cleave, the gentleman rogue, and to the real "Debra," who helped D.B. immeasurably with the many rewrites and her loving support. There was a page just prior to this statement that was torn out in the copy I have. I contacted Protland, OR and Signum Books, Ltd and was given a name of Gary W with Journal Graphics, but I could never locate him or find out who REALLY wrote the book. I also never figured out what the Seven Clues where. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Are you name dropping Jo? Teasing? If not, tell us who the "very famous gentleman" is. The only very famous person associated with Cooper sleuthing was Snowmman. 377 Absolutely NOT. You know I am closed mouth about those who help me. This was not meant to be a tease - just a fact. Without the help of individuals such as this man and so many others who are professionals in their fields - the things I have recently discovered would never have been possible. I feel very humble that some of these (high profile) individuals have taken time out from their busy schedules to offer me assistance and ask nothing in return.....The list goes from A to Z and from Politicians to Famous Writers and Professors asking nothing in return...but offering their help. One could not get a phone number and sent me a letter after viewing the National Geographic doc. They have specific knowledge regarding the Columbia and told me what others have told me over the yr. NO WAY Cooper drowned in the Columbia. This party set out to help me - and this has been amazing.... So much has happened in such a short period of time and there are 4 different things going on at one time right now. If all of this comes down the way we expect it to - it will be given to the FBI with reasonable response time (although they have had 14 yrs). If they refuse to act then we take it public. Maybe it will blow up, but I have a feeling it will blow up in the face of the FBI and not us. If what we are finding proves out - it still may not be enough to prove Duane was Cooper, but the co-incidences become overwhelming. - the key is there, but will the FBI turn the key that unlocks the past? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Bingo - well, said. This is what I was trying to tell Blevins because - of all the people who contacted me - I had to really sort them out. Some were easy to spot, but one I had to play "games' with to find out how much truth there was in the story he was relating to me. When fictious names and incidents (I baited him with) became part of his story, I had to draw a line. I kept a paper trail of the "bait", therefore I was able to prove to another interested party the story was "created". There was a thread of truth in this man's story that still haunts me to this day --- if only he could have left it at that and not have "created" the rest of it. This is the problem I see with Blevins story - because I and most of you guys know more about the crime itself than the general population - it is difficult for us to accept the story Blevins is telling. Tom, Dick and Harry on the street have not been privey to this hashing and rehashing of the facts and probabililties as we have discussed them (logically, scientifically and subjectively). The conversations were sometime heated, off the wall and sometime we weren't kind to each other, but we shared the pros anc cons. Often the conversation was WAY over my head, but you guys knew what you were talking about when it came to analyzing the jump and the flight patterns and much much more. If I had just jumped into a lot of the stories I have been told over these 14 yrs - I would sound like Blevins, but I chose to discuss and argue my case until I have more conclusive evidence. If the story about Duane Weber was ever going to be told - it had to have substance, even if I could never prove it. Why I even came to the DZ in the first place, looking for answers (not just a story someone could take apart or laugh at). Please note I am not writing a book nor do I have movie contract - for me this has been about finding the truth. It has been my choice to take my lashes here among a select group of intelligent individuals with the knownledge and / or information that might pull this damn thing together...than to make a fool out of myself in with a "wannabe book" or participate in another documentary that gets flip-flopped. At least here I can defend my position. Some of you guys have already discovered what happens when the TV and the media are involved. Chaos and what the media wants the public to see. When Blevins was telling his story and I was viewing the pictures he posted - (not having read Blevins book other than the first 38 pages and what he posted in this thread), there was this feeling of another story about Cooper - a movie called Up the Creek Without a Paddle.. By the way I never saw that movie either, but I saw a preview of it once. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins states:

Note:

Mr. Blevins - just how did you obtain any information about Tina? I know for a fact that Blevins would not have had that information had it not been given to Skipp Porteous by another party. His concept of the NORJAK incident is amateurish at best - yet he mocks those who have spent yrs legitimately investigating the aspects of the Cooper case...to include myself and many others. He has openly blasted individuals who have done serious research on this case in every way he can find. He has attacked other writers on Face Book Pages - I have been told about this, but I do not go to Face Book myself. Now he is here and making a mountain out of a mole hill...going where ever he can to draw attention to his book. In 2007, one of these individuals debated Lyle Christianson on a radio talk show in Spokane, WA and Lyle confessed on the air that Kenny never told anyone he was DB Cooper. Yet, Blevins and Porteous continue on this claim for glory without a shred of real evidence. Do the research - and know the details of the crime - don't ride on the coat tails of the hard research done by others. The story is ridiculous. I have nothing more to say regarding Blevins or his claims. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Where is that post do I claim to have spoke with "your" witnesses. You mispresented statements made by KEY players and they do not take kindly to that nor do I. This is exactly what I mean - the FACTs have been so scrambled that NO one actually knows the true FACTs about the crime itself. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Go back and READ the other posts This is ridiculous. You are just trying to start something out of nothing. Go back and read ALL of the post since you made your first post and then think this out. You will see we are both talking about a different set of individuals.