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What's THAT all about !? I agree that does look like Bill Rataczak, but is that actually Kenny next to him and was this photo - photo shopped? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA This project? Matt that is not what he sent me, but the small document within looks like to one he sent. I still have it - with all of the black outs. Since I do not research that part of his story, I found the site you sent interesting. Information I was unaware of. I have not read the site other than to do a cursory a moment ago, but intend to read it in it's entirely this evening. What are your opinions (from a military point of view) regarding the claims made by BK...regarding MKULTRA? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

BK stated: Jo Replies: Your emails and my notes regarding your phone calls are all that is needed. 1. There was NO one legged man in your story until I shared the story about the one legged man in CO...documented. 2. Your email regarding Richard McCoy and Duane Weber in Africa supported by your "article" that was supposedly composed by you. I actually have a copy of that "site" you sent me to and your email which accompanied it - claiming Duane and McCoy were FBI....documented. 3. Your MKultra claim sent to me by you....documented. 4. Your claim of Bucket, Pail and Can - all documented on this thread...your lies catch up with you in a thread with individuals as astute as the ones here. BK you are in over your head. 5. The only reason I survive here is because my story never changes. Yours continuely changes. The guys here know I played with the theories, but what I actually laid claim to regarding Duane and what facts I did know have NOT changed. Note when you make your posts and claim I stated certain things - be very very careful that the quote is an actual quote and reference the post. Do not make a mistake like you did in a recent post that makes it appear or sound like I said such and such if you do NOT have the Quote! This is the only warning you will ever get. Get Feisty and do it right. Again I have spoke in "Code" to you and IF you DO understand what I just said then you would get the message I am trying to deliver, but because YOU ACTUALLY have NO knowledge of Duane Weber or anything he participated in - you won't GET it!. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I heard NOTHING wrong! This man is a total lunatic. Bucket or pail they are both the same - that utensil into which the milk flowed after being extracted from the cow's tits! A milk Can is a different thing all together. That is a can with a lid that is use to transport the milk from the milk station to a central point. We did NOT have milking machines when I was on a farm and we milked by hand - we sold the farm in 1958. BK talks to the dead. McCoy is dead. BK did NOT know anything about a one legged man or Tommy Gunn - and I will assure you neither of the guys were McCoy! McCoy did NOT contact BK, but I think I know who likes to play with his mind. Feed his delusions and this crime will never be solved. I am tired of wasting my time and energy on this. Why don't we get "Feisty" about this. Is this CODE. You bet! BUT, guess what - bet BK knows what I am talking about. His TOG loves to play games with him and lives on BK's turf! Taking BK for the ride of his life. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Today in a phone conversation I was asked about the time Duane came home crawling drunk while we were living in Virginia. I retold the story to the satisfaction of the other party. After we had been in Virginia for about 2 yrs. We were living in a house we bought and remodeled so I know it was not during the 1st 18 months in VA. Yet, the site where McCoy was killed Duane showed me during my 1st few weeks in VA. It was the only time I ever remember Duane being so drunk he was crawling in the door. He was also crying. I thought from what he was saying perhaps he had hit someone or had an accident. I did check out the car to make sure "nothing" bad had happened. He kept telling me he was responsible for someone dieing after they tried to do something he did (he used the word copycat). I dismissed all of this as the ramblings of a very Drunk man. The next day he offered no explanations for his ramblings...did NOT want to discuss it. It was around this time he brought home the book with the 5 guys standing by the old pump truck and told me there was a picture of him in the book, but someone had tore it out. I never have found what that book was, but Snowman produced the picture of the men in this thread...one of those men according to a photo ID program was actually Duane L. Weber and the man whose name was given (family members told me he was never in CA. OR or WA) and this man was NOT their Uncle. At any rate back to the drunk who crawled in the door. The person who was enquiring about this incident tonight - proposed his theory. I had alway thought perhaps Duane was the snitch on McCoy and perhaps that was why he was so remorseful, but now we know BK was the snitch - RIGHT! So why was Duane so upset - quilt or fear the same thing would happen to him. I will re-state Duane showed remorse and felt responsible for someone's death to another party prior to my ever meeting Duane.... perhaps why he changed his life. This other party told me he was very drunk and the incident happened during the 1st 2 yrs he knew Duane. He met Duane in 1973. I do NOT know when McCoy died. I knew little to nothing about Cooper and old crimes just did NOT interest me. What my husband shared with me of his life prior to me was very very limited...at that time I was not aware of any prison records either other than a supposed 2 months in a county jail - which goes back to the nightmare Duane had in 1978 in CO where he is grasping into the air and screaming "I'm going to die!". and "I left my prints on the aft stare". Remember County jail was how he explained aft stairs, but of course now I know there was NO AFT stair in a county jail. Since we are aware that BK was the snitch - why was Duane Weber so upset living in VA and having to pass the place McCoy died many many times. Did Duane learn for the first time while we were in VA that someone had snitched on McCoy? Did Duane NOT know the details regarding the death of McCoy. Why did this create such an impact of Weber. Himmelsbach's book came out later - so it had to be local talk at the bar. Duane could be mean, but he was a real softie. Now that I know about his prison record - I understand why he had this gruff exterior and yet his guy friends were NOT like that at all. No they were not gay. Three of these individuals I now believe he knew from prison. Two of them had a smaller stature than Duane and both would have been victims if you get my drift in a prison. I think Duane was a shield to young guys in the system - to protect them. It was just how Duane did things....Duane was bigger and stronger and he could act really mean. This is pure theory on my part and because I know the nature of the man I spent 17yrs with - he was a protector and he had a soft spot for others. Oh, Well off subject. Now I am tired and lost touch of what I was trying to say. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

=================== I won't repeat How a bucket became a milk can as all of you know that story by heart, but NOT BK. But I will repeat this portion for the benefit of JT. AHH this feels good: The bucket and the things that happened in the hospital have been restated as they have been stated for 17 yrs now. BK and JT need to take NOTE and not bring these thing up again. They are NOT for debate, but an actual accounting of my experience and what I told the FBI. Now I will move on from this subject - read the next email. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

This site Jo, read the comments at the bottom http://www.unsolvedrealm.com/2011/07/23/d-b-cooper-why-kenny-christiansen-is-not-a-suspect/ GEEZE! That site is a bunch of CRAP. The complete site is nothing but CRAP. Most of the posters sound like 2 individuals posing as more than one person - note the syntac and words used. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Dear Professor Georger: You TOTALLY lost me with your post. What the XXXX are you talking about. Who pretends to be you and others and at what site. Has anyone pretended to be me? I only post HERE on DZ. I was unaware the co-pilot posted anywhere...regarding the Cooper subject. Just call me CLUELESS or perhaps Hopeless. Whatever! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

BK stated: Georger Replied:

Please ask him. When he mentioned seeing the lights of Vancouver - WHAT WAS is best idea of his location. WAS in near Orchards when they made a turn - remember he was sitting in the Co-Pilots seat...not the Pilot's Seat. Perhaps you might ask him this as I think this is were a LOT of the confusion come from. I could NOT get on-line until today to get this to you. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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BK did NOT know Duane Weber and he relates only twisted tid bits on this thread. Anyone believing one word of his rants and raves - needs to come SEE me and review the research including the communications I had with BK. BK would state - there was NO Tommy Gunn then several months later Gunn is a key factor in his mind. That is just ONE example. BK did NOT know Duane Weber or D.B. Cooper. Perhaps BK knew McCoy and was the snitch who told the FBI where he was. Perhaps this is why BK is so driven about the Cooper case. BK is dealing with his own conscience - and his own guilt! Now that is a total new approach to BK and maybe a little bird just dropped this on me. You will NEVER know if you don't know Now! Each one of you need to examine WHY BK is involved in the Cooper story at all. Obviously he was NOT part of the Cooper Caper. Why is he driven to make McCoy part of the Cooper story? Guilt! ================= PS: The only way BK can handle his guilt is to keep McCoy alive......so much I want to say, but so little I can say! Do you guys think I invented this angle? Not Hardly! Secrets are not usually kept forever. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

TO ALL: Is Homid talking about the FOUND chute or the chute Cooper jumped with? To All: I am repeating the post above because you GUYS really need to address the point I am making. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

BK did NOT know Duane Weber and he relates only twisted tid bits on this thread. Anyone believing one word of his rants and raves - needs to come SEE me and review the research including the communications I had with BK. BK would state - there was NO Tommy Gunn then several months later Gunn is a key factor in his mind. That is just ONE example. BK did NOT know Duane Weber or D.B. Cooper. Perhaps BK knew McCoy and was the snitch who told the FBI where he was. Perhaps this is why BK is so driven about the Cooper case. BK is dealing with his own conscience - and his own guilt! Now that is a total new approach to BK and maybe a little bird just dropped this on me. You will NEVER know if you don't know Now! Each one of you need to examine WHY BK is involved in the Cooper story at all. Obviously he was NOT part of the Cooper Caper. Why is he driven to make McCoy part of the Cooper story? Guilt? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have been working on something for a while but with 3 surgeries in 11 months not very swiftly. Had not recuperated from a Jan surgery when I end in the hospital 90 days later...and now having recovery complications. I went from 138 to 120 during all of this. Lost all muscle tone and at 72 I won't get it back. I have NO idea where this new information and inquiry will go and not sure how to even begin the conversation with the individual, but one thing for sure the results will NOT be told in this thread. IT is the 1st new lead in a long long time and I do not want to blow it. It may not go anywhere, but it is better than standing still here in the BK quick sand pit or hog pen. What BK did with the Grandchildren of McCoy - was more than I could handle. If I had been FBI or law enforcement he would have been in jail on that one. When I get to my telephone logs (they are stored and the boxes are heavy) I will list the dates of my calls to BK and my notes of the conversations. Yes, I called him - he didn't seem to have the money to pick up a phone and call me and I wanted to KNOW this man's connections to Duane. The conclusion: Bob Knoss never met Duane L. Weber or John C. Collins or Dan Cooper. On the other hand - What we think is a loose Cannon Ball might be a "Secret - Seek & Destroy Weapon". At least I still have a sense of humor left, but saddist thoughts about what I would do to Knoss with a little help - you guys would have to string him up by his toes first. Time to Harvest the Mountain Oysters! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Knoss States: Jo's Adamant Reply: You (BK) spoke with me several times on the phone - and you took some of that information and twisted it. YOU also took the BAIT I fed to you to see how much you really knew. I only did this AFTER you made claims using names you had previously claimed NO knowledge of. Doug knew what I was doing and why I was doing a copy and paste after I acquired a computer in 2000. Your example of my "poor memory and comprehension levels" is only ONE of your problems. Your using the red/white chute is laughable! Ask these guys in the thread and some of who already have access to an old thread I posted in with Unsolved Mysteries and 101. Yes, my story did change, because in the beginning all I had was what Duane said to me and what Himmelsbach told me. I read information on the computer in 2000 (much of it was misinformation and myth which will always color my story). I had little to no access to anything prior to 2000 other than 1. Himmelsbach & his book 2. JT 3. The FBI 4. Max Gunther & his calls & letters and of course his book. 5. The Ha Ha Ha by Cooper 6. Old magzine articles and news articles (limited in our library as many of them had been pilfered). In 2000 with the purchase of a computer - my world opened up. Did NOT even know how to use the thing and one of the FIRST things I found - went POOF! 377, Doug and I have continued to try to find that pic of 3 con's in front of a prison with 3 lines of printing under it about ex-cons and fire jumping. That same night I was looking up the Nickels because of a story Duane had told me about knowing them and how they had to use "white boys for errands" to go into a restaurant. The Drop Zone is where I started to learn REAL facts, but still dotted with myths and what I call "writer's liberties". Much of that still exists, but some of the quys have done a great job of finding the facts. Even in this thread - some will still turn the FACTs around, but someone usually comes along and sets them straight. Much of it is individual opinions and studies 30 yrs after the fact. BK does not know that I kept a log regarding his conversations - prior to the purchase of a computer. I also kept every phone bill! Proof of the phone calls until I went on unlimited long distance. Attention all of you GUYS! Find out where I have claimed that Cooper's chute was red and white. I asked about this before after BK made his ridiculous claim. The only red and white I even "think" I heard about was - a chute found in OR by a kid who bought candy with his $20 bounty. It was a chute found by someone else in a near-by area after the kid's story was told. Of course that kid is a grown adult now. Duane told me he buried something behind a shed in the woods near a tower in WA. He did NOT tell me it was a chute. Duane never discussed the chute or it's color with me. Keeping me ignorant of the crime was his saving grace and he knew that. Common sense & reasoning ability exposed BK's story / tale and his claims of knowing Duane L. Weber or having any first hand knowledge of the skyjacking. MY big mistake was listening to him in the 1st place. He contacted the FBI and became a needle in the FBI's efforts to investigate Duane Weber's history in its' entirety. I think they thought I was in cahoots with this crazy guy and just dismissed me. The story he told to them was probably as twisted as the story he has told on this thread and elsewhere. END of SUBJECT! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Seems like others and myself have lost all interest in making a post. It is SO quiet in here you can hear a pin drop on the computer. Even thought maybe it was time to test some thought provoking statements, except I can't think of a thing to say. Maybe the FBI will make a Statement in the near future. The end of April has come and gone - they were supposed to have DNA on DL back by now? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

So, what does that tell you? Keep it cool and nobody has to "harass" anybody. As for you "correcting" anyone, you'd only be doing that if you had proof. Otherwise you're simply stating opinion. You may consider that the case in other people's posting as well, but unless you have facts to back up claims, don't pretend one story here is more accurate than another one. Question: Quade, are you saying BK can continue to make up stories about Duane Weber who was a real person and include him in the ridiculous story he keeps telling? BK never knew Duane Weber or his aka John Collins. His statements about the habits of Weber and claiming he dyed his hair blonde and used make-up ALL prove BK never knew or met Duane Weber. YOU did see pictures of Duane's complexion (his skin against my skin) in the 70's? NO way Weber ever had to use make-up to match the description of Cooper. My problem with BK is he continues to claim he knew Duane Weber and the wife of the day...BK never met either one of them....and I personally KNOW how BK's story "evolved". The evolution was witnessed by a reporter and Gray. If BK wants to discuss Cooper without naming Duane or myself, let him make up all the stories he wants to! Knoss is why Gray, Doug and I needed to set up Tomatoe Cans at the entry of the Rabbit Hole.

Mrshutter45 - Note what BK just stated in PUBLIC and I am copying and pasting it so he cannot get out of this one. Many times I have claimed the FBI was not doing their job, but I have never quoted Agent Larry Carr as BK just did. BK stated: "Larry Carr said the FBI can NOT try the case with extensive tampering and government involvement". Does ONE soul here believe that Agent Carr actually made that statement? Knoss's entire post is being sent by certified mail to the main FBI office in WA and to the man I know who holds secrets (could be BK's TOG), but I say this in gest - well, maybe! Like you said - Well here we go again. Things where beginning to make sense again and Georger was on his best behaviour. Georger may hold a key to this case - by accident, by design or just because of who he is. Now, things will go back to the oblivious chaus of BK's world. He has no knowledge of the crime or Weber and he is here and involved only for entertainment purposes - but, that make a perfect mole - right! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo Stated: "I will note I had no knowledge of actual lay-outs of the area regarding the projected flight path. Why I was so upset about the map you guys used and claim the plane went over Tena's Bar. IT did NOT! His conversation DID not take that fight over Tena's bar, but to the EAST and the Vancouver area." KB Replied: That is what the current record is, Jo, but what was discussed in Ralph's, den at his retirement party was a correction in flight path information by the co-pilot to a shift in the flight plot to "15 to 20 miles West" of what was on record. This is in harmony with Janet's actual report. Her address was changed for her protection. It is consistent with McCoy's admission to having called upon and threatened Janet. AND it is consistent with Galen Cook's position that the flight was actually "35 miles" West of the recorded flight path. ====================== JO IS STATING FOR THE LAST TIME: Mr. Knoss I will ask you ONE MORE LAST time respectfully - DO NOT answer or quote me in ANY POSTS you make and DO NOT reply to my posts. YOU and YOU alone take respectful and sincere first hand information and scramble it to destroy all objectivity anyone applies. Talk all you WANT about COOPER, but leave DUANE WEBER and JOHN COLLINS and JO WEBER OUT of the conversation. The thread was back on target with SENSIBLE posts and NOW you are back with YOUR NONSENSE. You do NOT speak for the CO-PILOT and NOT present at Himmelsbach's party. THEREFORE please refrain from making any statement you do NOT have 1st hand KNOWLEDGE of. You CANNOT and HAVE NOT proved YOU knew DUANE WEBER or JOHN COLLINS. YOU DO not know nor HAVE personal knowledge of a supposed siting by a witness, who you now claim has been relocated and silenced. GIBBERISH! EXPLOITATION! You have never spoke to Janet - your statements about Janet are slanderous - YOU do not know Janet. YOU have not spoke to the co-pilot and discussed any of this with him! Your SLANDEROUS statements are getting ready to BACK FIRE on you. LEAVE me and Weber and Collins and any witness you have NOT actually spoke to OUT of your posts. YOU think this thread and the people on it are simple minded children you can play games with. WE are real people with real concerns and most of us have REALLY investigated the subject and refrain from incriminating and making statements not derived at from 1st hand knowledge or well researched information. You never knew Duane Weber or John Collins or his wife - so until you provide PROOF of this anything you have to say is null and void and in many cases slanderous. Look back at your creations - the ridiculous pictures you posted and your MAC and now you are slandering Janet - a woman you do not know and have never met. You do not make your statements subjectively you state them as fact. You seek only to destroy facts and not to find new things or provide any substance to the case. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Well that seems like a relatively straightforward response to me, unless there is something you wish to add. We will add you to the list of people who have spoken in person to Rataczak, on this specific issue. BTW, this is not a popularity contest but a search for facts. Thanks. G. Well, I would win NO popularity test!

I do not believe the co-pilot told me what I am getting ready to say - it seems this information came from another source so I will relate my concern in a QUESTION form: Was this the Co-pilot's first flight in the WA/OR area? I could swear I read or heard this during the 17 yrs I have been at this. I cannot say the co-pilot made this claim because I do NOT remember the source and it could be a rumor or hear-say. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The answer is NOT as simple as you put it. My answer is that the co-pilot stated he could see the Vancouver/Portland area (he put Vancouver 1st). Further conversation at that time was consistent with my prior post. Also other posts I have made on this conversation. I will note I had no knowledge of actual lay-outs of the area regarding the projected flight path. Why I was so upset about the map you guys used and claim the plane went over Tena's Bar. IT did NOT! His conversation DID not take that fight over Tena's bar, but to the EAST and the Vancouver area. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger - you didn't want your real name revealed and now I know WHY! I hinted at this before - so why don't you tell this thread what your real reason is for being here? Why you are so touchy about certain materials? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber