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Please take the time to describe why you prefer the P2 over the R Bird? thanks Craig Sure. The R-Bird was a lot slower in flight, very wobbly with the arms pulled low, and didn't feel as stable or responsive. However, the R-Bird had much better pressurization, slower descent rate vertically, and was less tiring than the P2. It might be my lack of experience or skill, but the P2 is just easier to fly and control, and WAAAAAYYYY faster than the R-Bird! FWIW, we have a visiting wingsuiter who has identical issues you've described. He's got around 150 jumps on his bird, and after a single jump (and longer flight time) on a P2 demo...he's wanting to sell his bird. He's 6'4" for any takers. My jumps on the Venom (far from being as efficient as I think the wing can be) sustain in the low/mid 30's, just as Jarno is suggesting, with minimums in the mid 20's. I've only got a double dozen jumps on it thus far, so expecting performance to improve over experience. You won't plan on doing more than 4 jumps a day on a Venom tho...at least not at my weight. I need a gym membership.

my mistake for assuming. I saw Tony, hands on suit, camera around neck...but i wasn't able to get over to the booth because I was doing interviews. I'm the one that told Jarno photos were taken. There were at least two instances where the suit was closely looked at. Back to my original point; a high tide floats all boats, but the bullshit about PF copying TS and TS copying TS really oughtta slow down at some point. Chuck Priest invented a LOT of the innovations that some manufacturers claim to have created, but no one is reading him having kittens about being copied.

"Coach 1" in the US? if you'd write off a student beyond 25 jumps...it says a lot more about you than the student, and that isn't a positive thing, IMO Safety issues need to be addressed firmly, but FAIRLY with an eyeball on how the student or other jumper responds. I had one person with very poor instruction argue with me the other day. This person was allegedly taught to hold a PC "until stable" and argued in favor of it even after being shown a video of the bridle flipping over their helmet and arm. This person argued with several AFFI's and an Examiner. It's a stupid practice for a low-time skydiver. Should they be grounded? Should they be asked to leave? Should they be shown the right methods with clear explanations of why they are putting themselves in danger and allowed to jump once they clearly understand the risk? I went with the latter. And if something happens to this skydiver, at least we'll know we did our best as instructors and safety officers.

With that statement, I'll assume you hold no ratings. Some people take longer than others. Some people shouldn't be skydiving, no doubt. And some folks just take longer than others to "get it." Mabye a different set of instructors changed up the student (who now has their A).

I am curious if this is the same basic thing as the Tonysuit safety sleeve. The safety sleeve TS has now (post seeing the PF sleeve at PIA) or the one TS had before PIA?

I keep a video "log" of "not good stuff" that I use to demonstrate possible issues. In a couple cases, the individuals have argued, but after seeing a video of "bad stuff" they have always re-thought their actions. Keeping it friendly as possible usually works. The student with three canopy cutaways in 30 jumps didn't respond well to the friendly approach.

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Drop John LeBlanc an email. He usually answers pretty quickly. He is the one that suggested I loosen my chest strap when I was having some landing problems with a very large canopy a few years back.

Yo Robin, These people weren't wearing wingsuits. I'm sure even a superior intellect like yours understands the concept of context, no? (refer to thread topic in case you're lost). Excepting yourself, the thread has kinda carried the topic forward, right?. Sorry to interrupt your pontification; please do carry on. You're right, DWE, I do understand "context" in the way you mean it -- an excuse for saying the wrong thing, most often used by sniveling politicians... You said "parachute," not "wingsuit," and that's patently false (context notwithstanding). And you know, even if we grant you your snivel, you still got it wrong: "But he indeed is the first person to exit a moving flying aircraft without wearing a parachute, landing it, and surviving (height notwithstanding)." Because, of course, "context" snivels notwithstanding, saying "moving" instead of flying means that anyone with a parachute -- with or without a wingsuit -- who exited a taxiing airplane also qualfies under your definition -- and the list of those who did that before Stoney is even bigger than the list of "real" chuteless jump survivors I provided. In any event, to frame this in terms of real context, the whole thread had degenerated into absurdity and I was just having a little fun with your grammatically absurd contribution thereto. Kinda absurd that you took it so seriously -- but then, that's characteristic of noobs enamored of their mad skillz and vast knowledge... Having a bad day are we? Must be a rough one when you're dredging up old posts and editing them for spelling, grammar, and context. I feel fer ya buddy.

Yo Robin, These people weren't wearing wingsuits. I'm sure even a superior intellect like yours understands the concept of context, no? (refer to thread topic in case you're lost). Excepting yourself, the thread has kinda carried the topic forward, right?. Sorry to interrupt your pontification; please do carry on.

as expected. Search the forums...there is a lot of discussion of OIS/EIS.

Brian Drake and Zach Schroedel showed up at Skydive Elsinore yesterday, we had a good time hangin' out. Two planes running, lots of beautiful sky, lotsa birds, and a couple of FFC's. This is what Saturdays are like at Elsinore. Nothin' fancy, just a collection of clips. Gotta worry about Zach and Matt tho...they both have a tendency to want to kiss on the first vertical.

The Venom and Blue Crew at Elsinore. Damn, we're having fun.

Wow...we're having an "on-fire" discussion? I didn't dismiss anything. I merely pointed out that getting legs prior to popping toggles is a good practice. Back to your 'on fire' I'd hate to see what "intense" looks like. [edit @ Michalm; Reminder, I have a very short chest strap as pointed out above. handles don't move much. However...I agree that it might be an issue for some setups re; handles moving.

You may reconsider the order? Staying slow until fully ready to fly is how we'd would prefer you flying, especially in bigger formations. Legwings unzipped and stowed before releasing toggles. You can steer with legs and rear risers before releasing controls, thus maintaining slower flight. I'd suggest: 1. Deploy 2. Check for traffic while opening and once under canopy 3. Unzip arm wings 4. Check for traffic while steerng with legs and rear risers. 5. Collapse slider, loosen chest strap. 6. Check for traffic, Unzip leg wings 7. Check for traffic and release brakes/fly/land

Didn't use to...then John LeBlanc suggested it, even on a canopy loaded at 1:4/Storm. It does make a difference in the landings and how my body can pitch forward. I don't have a long chest strap,You might want to try it for a few jumps and see how you feel about it, even on a lightly loaded canopy. I wouldn't recommend it to newer jumpers until they're really comfortable with the post-deployment and landing process, merely because it's adding more 'stuff.'

(in my best Oliver voice) Please sir, may I have some more?

I could be wrong, but I believe he makes both. The Double GoPro is the big/popular one. I have one of em' here right now. Pretty nicely done, small and compact.

Chris Warnock/Parachutist makes them, ChutingStar sells them, his are very nicely done.

I'd have to echo Jarno's comments. I don't NEED a Ghost for flocking, in fact I like how the P2 flies with mattress suits folded in half. At Mesquite, there was a mix of mattresses and P2's; I loved not flying folded up. But...the Ghost is good for when I'm flying/coaching more experienced students, superlight FFCs, when I want to float around a formation, backfly with a camera. This thing just WANTS to fly on its back when you rotate. It just feels natural, much like the P2.

C'mon...you guys sound like TK aka "the perv" as he announced. Margaret is a class act. She holds a special place in my heart because she's saved my fat ass twice (bottle still owed for one). Mike was actually ahead of Margaret at one point, but if you watch the vid carefully, you can see the gunrod choked his time, and her small wrist gave her the advantage. And...she's packed perhaps a thousand Talons, and I suspect there aren't as many Talons in the east as there are in the West, so Mike probably hasn't packed that many.

yes, you can bring a camera. If you have a polarizer, I'd recommend bringing it. I could always use some pix of me in the door.

It's Jason or Warren most of the time, and I'm (most of the time) the last one out, so we can chuckle a bit, Betty... you'll have fun on the sunset observer.

Love it love it love it. Long flight time, easy to fly, get onto your back with serious ease... Just two jumps, but the two jumps both pulled (combined) avg time of 40, best slow is 36, max (combined) is 54. Amazingly easy to fly and very fast. No...doesn't have the float of the Venom, and not remotely close to the speed of the V4. But it is very fast, and very solid without any tweaking. Although my P2 is the suit I'll always use for the majority of students, the Ghost3 will likely become my "standard" suit. [edit] 'nother jump on this suit, entirely on back. Not much difference in backfly time as belly, and speeds are very similar to belly too. It's a very easy suit to get over 2 mins on back (138 seconds first jump on back, deploying at 4K).

Hanging on the DZ means you can see more thats happening, hear snippets of good info, hear other students asking the same questions you're asking, and you'll be around the people training you. You already know it's a good vibe here. The Sat night weekend rager is this weekend, and the warm weather promises that there will be a large gathering.