Royd

So you are one of these people who does not have a line that you will not cross? Next year it'll be fighting for a month for bondage and S&M. After all, there's absolutely no perversion involved in those lifestyles. Promoting any sexually driven lifestyle, and that's what homosexuality is, is about trying to undermine the moral foundations of family values and everyday life.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this is about far more than just protecting the children from injury. It's about brainwashing them to believe that there are no winners or losers in life's game. It discourages those who naturally excel, and does not encourage those who would try hard if they were pushed a little bit. Things like this are the tip of the iceburg.

As for commercial production of meat, the logistics and cost of free range meat would be exorbitant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First, I'm a bit of a rookie on the internet, so chasing down info and reposting it is beyond me right now. To answer the question as I observe things, beef cattle are raised pretty much free range to a point. At that point in the production cycle, the meat is lean, and probably a bit tough. That's where feedlots come in. The cattle are fattened at this point, and due to the physical restraint of the pens, they do not get as much exercise. All of this is done for the purpose of providing a higher quality meat that consumers will actually buy. Yes, they have to stand around in their manure for a few weeks, but I doubt very much that they are aware of it. If you are downwind of a feedlot it smells horrendous, but to the cattleman that's the smell of money. I know your post is about animal abuse, and I never watched the first video simply because I don't need to. I raised rabbits for meat for about six years, and the act of slaughtering them is not a pretty picture. It is simply something that you have to harden yourself to if it is going to be part of your lifestyle. Obviously, you are not a full blown vegan, as you say that you eat cheese. The problem with their mentality is that all livestock,and any number of wild animals, which are hunted for meat, would have to be reduced to the point where there would only be a few in a zoo somewhere. I saw at least four dead deer between my house and the dz this Sat. Obviously, they aren't being hunted enough.

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is that city folks don't want to be awakened at 4:30 AM by some rooster telling the world that he's the big man on the block. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're talking free range here, no? Chickens would survive quite nicely in the big city, along with their cousins, the pigeons.

Apparently you guys need to add " Respect the ex-colonies" month to your agenda.

I'm sorry. I didn't see it as a personal attack. I'll just say that our attitudes are generally formed by real life situations, and not easily changed by the view of someone who has had a totally different experience.

I've scanned the thread occasionally since it started. I do not believe in the abuse of animals for the sake of pleasure. After that, abuse is a rather subjective word. Some people want to take the carriages off of the streets of St. Augustine because the poor horses have to work in the heat all day. Who's carriage would you ride in, the one with the sleek healthy horse or the one with the hip bones showing? That sounds self regulating to me. As for commercial production of meat, the logistics and cost of free range meat would be exorbitant. Imagine the cost of the Thankgiving turkey that had to be captured out of 1,000 acres of woods. I believe they call that turkey hunting. How many people would it take to gather the eggs from free range chickens for all of those people who barely even know where an egg comes from? Personally, I see no problem with chickens running loose. Free meat for the homeless. See, I really do care. The problem is that city folks don't want to be awakened at 4:30 AM by some rooster telling the world that he's the big man on the block.

I'm in a bit of a quandry. I just finished jump #99 today. I wanted to get 100 before I take the Scott Miller course next weekend. I've also got the best winter garden coming along than I've had in several years, and can't neglect my babies. After all, I'll get to eat them all of next year. I'm actually going to neglect work on Monday in order to transplant my beets. Best looking crop to date. I also need to finish the work on a lady's house because she wants to sell it. Decisions, decisions!

You're so ugly that your parents hung a pork chop around your neck, just to got the dog to play with you.

We've been fighting the war on poverty in this country since the mid 60's, and we still have people with their hands out , saying that we haven't given them enough. Believe me, if the Islamists ever got ahold of that principle, it would just be one more form of terrorism. The fact is that there is probably enough oil money in those countries to make every individual a rich person. They are the ones who need to step up to the plate, not the Evil West.

Firstly, I hope that you don't think that feminists should be out of the poll simply because women deserve a pass not matter what their agendas are, or their methods in acheiving them. As for the "serious" feminists in this country, I couldn't believe that they remained strangely silient when the women of Afganastan voted for the first time. Quite an irony, no? I thought it was a world wide sisterhood. Personally, I was saying," You go, girls." I looked up the word "mysogynist." It's a no win word for the male of the species. If I enjoy women for the sake of sex, or if I feel that they are inferior for whatever reason, or if I just ignore them I'm a mysogynist. Sounds like a word created by man hating feminists, because I couldn't find it in an old complete dictionary.

The word "vegetarian" is an old Indian word meaning " poor hunter."

Will it be deep fried in animal fat. fuckin hippies

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just responding to a poll with my explanation. No hate, just observance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was an explanation of why I voted the way I did. I didn't pull my viewpoint out of thin air. It has come from years of watching angry women trying to mold the world to their point of view. When it doesn't turn out to be the bowl of cherries that they thought it would be, some decide to bow out of the game, and some just decide to work harder at tearing down the foundation of society.

That song gives me goosebumps every time I listen to it. Has since I was a child.

Just responding to a poll with my explanation. No hate, just observance.

I say femininsts because they desire to upset the whole of societal structure. At one time they wanted equal work for equal pay. Once they get it, and realize that it's nothing but hard ass work, then they want to be able to opt out, because, after all, they are women and reserve the right to change their minds. Today's feminists are socialistic haters of a moral society.

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I notice a lot of posts, especially in Bonfire, made by people who are supposedly at work. Look at it this way. If you are making $10 an hour, and only producing 4 hr. a day, you're actually making $20 an hr.You're also cutting you company's profits by that much. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That attitude is why I do small jobs and refuse to take on employees. With that kind of attitude, the work would look just like the screwed up mess that I'm fixing, so why do it twice. You need to step outside of yourself for a minute, and think about the small business man who has put everything that he has into making a go of it, and have some lazy ass employee ripping him off at every turn. Hopefully, at some point in your life, you will be inspired to free yourself from the bondage of the employer, and start your own business. Then, the shoe will be on the other foot.

I work for myself as a carpenter doing repairs and small renovations. I am never out of work. If I'm not in motion, I'm not making money. If employees learned this principle, instead of thinking that an employer owes them something just for being, then more money would be made, thus increasing their chance of a raise. I dare say that the average employee barely works six out of the eight hours that they are paid for, government workers excluded. They're lucky to do four out of eight, thus cheating their employers[you and me] out of their money. If you are 30 yrs. old, and still only earning minimum wage, that really is a personal problem. Improvment at any given skill can only be acheived by the person involved. No one can open your head and pour it in. In the end it all does come down to personal resposnibility. I notice a lot of posts, especially in Bonfire, made by people who are supposedly at work. Look at it this way. If you are making $10 an hour, and only producing 4 hr. a day, you're actually making $20 an hr.You're also cutting you company's profits by that much.

That's been my experience!

I believe that they do understand, but they desire to appear to be more magnanimous than the "ordinary people", all with the intention of destoying the structure of society.

Here's a solution. Right after the class where the govt. schools teach 3rd graders to put condoms on cucumbers, they could teach them how to clear a firearm.

Do you mean a job so that they can provide for themselves and their families? Republicans tend to believe in personal resposibility.

Thanks for the laugh.

If he were low key, and under the radar, he wouldn't have a show. You could say the same thing about Jesse James, and the family that puts together Orange County Choppers, or even the two clowns on Myth Busters. Could it be that the fact that he quotes the Bible leaves a bad taste in your mouth?