Lucky...

Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not? There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument. So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here. The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap. I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles. It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making. Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding. I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke. Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run. >>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler . >>>>>>>>reason escapes you... And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts. >>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one." >>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke. Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here. Now run along. I never said Obama was Hitler and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact... this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that.... but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not. Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below.... http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either. You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it. >>>>>>>>>I never said Obama was Hitler... No, you wrote: People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views. That's what you wrote and yet to support it. See, what you have to do is to post some supporting data about the Nazis did X and so does Obama/libs. Not real hard and make it mainstream stuff, not obscure things. In general, what did Hitler stand for? What does Obama stand for? How do they get to that point? You can try to say that Obama is the American billionaires' Hitler, in that he will try to redistribute their welath, but that is VERY abstract and indirect. When we think Hitler, we think concentration camps, invading countries, anhilating people, esp Jews, mass control and horrible times. Whnewe think Obama we think quasi-Socialism, HC, higher taxes, labor unions, etc. Just can't see a metaphorical connection. >>>>>>>>>>>>...and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact... Ok, stop holding your breath and show me an example of that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that.... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3715163;search_string=stock%20market;#3715163 This market could easily give up everything its gained in no time and no I'm not talking daily gains Im talking about going back to 6000-7000. I hope you're not giving this advice out to paying customers. I work for one of the biggest investment research firms in the country and all we do is study the market and you are trying to give me a lesson in what I do or do not have to look at? That was Oct 30 of last year, so 5 months ago and the market has been reamrkably stable and shown real growth. I KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU DO! >>>>>>>but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not. I've never written that, that's Amazon; get your posters straight. >>>>>>>>>>Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below.... http://www.payscale.com/...ed_Nurse_(RN)/Salary http://www.payscale.com/...edical_School/Salary Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either. You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it. I have known RN's DIRECTLY out of nursing school to make 100k and more, notice how Billvon didn;'t touch that one but disagreed with the doctor salary? Now the RN's are pool or registry, so that means they are contract in a sense with no HC or other benefits, bit 50 Hr was typical at the peak, now down a hair probably. Your data won't show that because if you go direct for a hospital you would make that + benefits, but I knew many nurses in teh 80's and most said fuck that, show me the money. As for docs, I would say that out of med school before internship, yea, they make shit, but after intern they make the 150-200k, I stand by that but agree that before internship they don't make shit. Now, we've dealt withthese issues, quit running and threatening you're done, just address what you wrote: People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.

what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'

Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did it over the last 8 years, judging by reporting. So you're not disputing the pathetic tactics of the right then, ok. If if wasn't some sort of false flag thing like so many OTHER complaints from the libs have been, then it looks like they've learned well from the last 8 years of liberal examples. Of course, the difference is in the coverage now vs. the crickets then, during the Bush years. And here I thought we were discussing the RW tactics of brick-thru-window tossing. Hmmm, ok, I guess no comment on that or is it that the Dems are so awefuk that they deserve it? Now that makes more sense.

This thread has been argued at a few merit points, mine is basically that of one poster suggesting 2 of the 4 were correct, the one I really have an issue with is the comparison to Hitler. I don't care if people think he is, but as a substantive measure, the connection is unsubstantiable. So it sounds as if you're being more macrostructural, make you point. One thing I see a lot from which ever side is at fault is this concept where, "It's bullshit on both sides and you and I are the targets." The faulted side seems to try to pull everyone in as all 'shit just happens.' The side that is not largely at fault and can support this thru data tends to try to keep seperation. KInda like the guy who fucks everythign up at work, he tries to incorporate everyone into it. No sarcasm - but the R's have really set this country backwards since Reagan. The 2 Dems have gone fwd, Obama's performance is yet to be fully seen. Hey, it is what it is, not trying to change your ideology, just pointing out what is factual. As for metaphorical reference, who cares? I would say Reagan is a Fascist, absent the totalitarianism, GWB is Hitler and Clinton/Obama Carl Marx. That's fair and honest, obviously exaggerative, but as a fun metaphore, it's accurate.

Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did itover the last 8 years, judging by reporting. So you're not disputing the pathetic tactics of the right then, ok.

Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not? There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument. So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here. The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap. I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles. It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making. Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding. I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke. Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run. >>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler . >>>>>>>>reason escapes you... And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts. >>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one." >>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke. Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here. Now run along.

Now, tie in Obama to Hitler in some way, hopefully not obscure. Again, when people think Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc they think of a totalitarian, controlling, anhilist that was extremely conservative. I did.... read my first post. This is your first post: I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama. You had some cut-n-paste, but w/o you making claims, it is basically between plagiarism and lazy argumentation, but either way you have failed to connect the bat with the ball. Come on, show us examples of what Obama does and then what Hitler did; tie them together and make your point. Using titles means nothing, as these themes, ideologies, etc evolve over time and sometimes even flip-flop, as with the 1860-1910 Republicans looking a lot like modern-day Dems and vice versa. I could say the current Repubs look a lot like the Whigs in some respects too, so parties change ideological structure over time. I would call Hitler a Socialist as we call Socialists in Western Europe today, it's just bizarre as they are far different. I was on a club talking with a self-anointed Canadian Conservative and he got pissed when I called him a Socialist as he thought Canadian Medical was a normal birthright and a form of Socialism. See, we just have a different idea of Socialism based upon venue. We were actually politically close to each other, the venue deemed him a Canadian Conservative and me a US liberal. So if we go 80 years backwards don't you think the definition was quite different too? So show me some relevant comparison between Obama and Hitler.

Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not? There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument. So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here. The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap. I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles. It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making. Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents. Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning. Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order. I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance. So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument. You are citing that a Nazi throws people in camps but there was much more politically to what the party stood for and socialism in many ways mirrors what the far left Dems want to do...... like you Now this is the really tough part Stan, put down your Wall Street Journal and go pay your margin calls (I'm sorry the market hasn't tanked), ACTUALLY CREATE AN ARGUMENT THAT ALIGNS OBAMA TO HITLER. Keep in mind that when peopel call GWB a Hitler, they mean that metaphorically, not litterally. GWB did all he could to pass anti-gay agendas, kill all socialist ideals, kill organized labor (Ovetime Law that rewrote the 1938 FLSA), etc. If ya wanna go a little further, we could cite Guantanamo as a concentration camp, but that is a bit removed, not totally though. It is appropriate to call GWB a Nazi, Hitler, etc. Just as it is ok to call Obama a Communist, Carl Marx, etc. It is just errant and desperate to call Obama a Nazi as he opposes the type of fascist tyranny that is perpetuated by that ideology. Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of then and now, meaning socialism then is different than now. Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of here and there, as a Canadian conservative is a like a US liberal. I realize it's insulting to have your party refered to as Nazi, but the metaphore is as true as the metaphore of US libs being commies. Now, tie in Obama to Hitler in some way, hopefully not obscure. Again, when people think Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc they think of a totalitarian, controlling, anhilist that was extremely conservative.

Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste. He cant cut n paste because most of what is out there goes against his posts, that he considers irrefutable You have 4 options here: - Actually try to refute my argument that it is ridiculous to align Obama and Hitler - Create an argument of your own that aligns Obama and Hitler - Continue to avoid the issue - Run along In case you want to refute mine, I'll post it again: What "is" Hitler doing? When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was: - Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles - Invade other countries without cause - Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish - Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products - Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like - Have human medical tests performed That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler? When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them: - Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists. - Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole). - Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants. - Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles. - Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses). - Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle The mentally retarded The mentally ill Alcoholics Vagrants and beggars Pacifists Conscription resisters Prostitutes Some anarchists. Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle). Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter. So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses. That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit. http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntration_camp_badges

Let me make it easier for you. PREAMBLE: What "is" Hitler doing? When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was: - Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles - Invade other countries without cause - Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish - Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products - Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like - Have human medical tests performed That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler? When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them: PASTED REFERENCE: - Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists. - Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole). - Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants. - Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles. - Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses). - Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle The mentally retarded The mentally ill Alcoholics Vagrants and beggars Pacifists Conscription resisters Prostitutes Some anarchists. Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle). Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter. CONCLUSION: So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses. That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit. CITATION: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntration_camp_badges W/o doing a word count, probably 70% of my post were my words, the cut-paste was just the part I wanted to reference. You posted an inference and maybe 10% of your post were your words. You made no argument, just a lean toward an inference. So, WE DID NOT POST IN THE SAME FASHION. Now, since we're done defining who posted how, why not take a shot at aligning Obama and Hitler. Again, don't be abstract. If you don't want to do that, then pls give us all some stock market advice.

Dude I didnt draw any conclusions but you made some major fucked up assumptions sheesash You posted that cut-n-paste as a counter to me saying it is ridiculous to tie togther Obama and Naziism. Example: Some of the actions in Germany can be seen in both parting here in the US today however, there are some unique to each party Again, MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents. Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning. Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order. I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance. So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument.

OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT. This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Yea, unless that child needs HC and his parents are poor. Oh yea, the very Bill NaziBush vetoed was done 2 weeks after Obama took office. Kind of ironic that pic you posted with HC as the theme.

What "is" Hitler doing? When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was: - Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles - Invade other countries without cause - Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish - Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products - Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like - Have human medical tests performed That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler? When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them: - Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists. - Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole). - Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants. - Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles. - Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses). - Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle The mentally retarded The mentally ill Alcoholics Vagrants and beggars Pacifists Conscription resisters Prostitutes Some anarchists. Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle). Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter. So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses. That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges

Not in Mike's world.

And what exactly does that have to do with what I quoted? Odd - I would have sworn that I replied to post 5, not post 1. Of course, the fact that current workers are paying for those now retired *does* fit in with the 'enslaving the workers' part of the quote in the post that I didn't respond to. I'm with Mike, fuck the elderly

The one that's now in the red... Mostly due to payroll being down and why is that so? Because your hero tanked it and sat by saying, 'everything looks rosey here.'

Meanwhile the Iraq War has cost > 1T and that's not worth mention. The basic military operations are >600B per year, not a problem. A lot of the so-called social spending is from military retirements from an overblown military.

Now if they can just get out of Iraq/AFG and decide to do as GHWB and Clinton did and cut military spendinf we can start to undo mush of the idiocy that has prevailed since post WWII and the military proliferation of FR.

Not questioning this, but just explaining. I've seen this written probably 100 times or more, probably more, and never, ever, ever called a PA. In fact, it was in response to Mike writing, "Sorry you're having such comprehension problems..." So I am still puzzled as to how that is a PA, not questioning it, just perplexed as to how it is, perplexed internally. And not everything can be codified as to the rules and what is stated verbatim, so members look for a general tone on one hand, and OTOH the look for actual examples of rules infractions and hope the rules aren't enforced arbitrarily or capricously, not that they are here or anything, but they look for these actual statements and just don't make them. I'm just expressing how I attend this forum and I thought I was within the rules as I didn't write anything that I haven't seen written well over 100 times and there was no moderation recourse. As I was saying about the tone, not all examples of rule violations can be explicitly codified, so I think members look for a tone in that they perhaps rank and file PA's. Some are easy, for example writing, "I think you're wrong" or, "I don't think you know what you're talking about" certainly aren't considered PA's as a tone here at DZ.COM. But saying, "You're a dick" should be considered by all as a PA. So we look for a tone as to what is allowed, at least those who want to follow the forum rules do this. In recent threads what has been written to me have been things like: - I picture a 3 year old, - I reckon Lucky has some anger management issues - You make me think of the little girl he was portraying... - All you do is dance on Barracks pole like the slut I shoved 6 dollar bills into a G-sting last night for. - Sorry you're having such comprehension problems - you need an education - What a waste of oxygen.... - Maybe so, but so does a three legged dog trying to hump a greased pig. - fucking douche - Your implication that Sarah wants people to do violence upon those people is just stupid beyond all belief. These are just a few examples, there are many recent ones against me I have not stated, so I'm just trying to find a reasonable margin of forum behavior and I guess I have not. The emboldened ones above are obvious PA's, IMO, yet they were not warned against, yet Mike wrote the same thing I did, I was warned and he was not. Again, this is not a complaint and I am not questioning moderation, in a forum like this where nothing is arbitrary or capricious I'm just looking for guidelines thru example of what is and what is not allowed. As you say, "Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster." I can follow that, I'm just looking for a general sense of guideline since it would be impossible for you to state every last assertion that could be stated and every last one that could not. You ask for rule-following, that's all I'm doing is trying to follow the rules by behaving like others who are not warned. I'm not questioning or complaining, just needing a sense of guideline as to what is allowed. Oh waaaaaaaa Suck it up He banned me the first time for something I didnt even post Do I always think he is fair? NO But over all he does a good job But your whole world view is it should be fair to all That is why you have the socialist veiws you do Move on WOW, something you didn't post? See, it appears others have a hard time understanding how we're supposed to behave too. That's all I'm asking is for a clear set off rules where we can know what is and is not alllowed. I used the SCOTUS mentality in that I observe how others are reprimanded and I try not to mirror that behavior and I'm confused, not complaining, just asking for a clear set of rules so I can follow the rules. As I said before, moderation cannot be reasonably expected to cite every last assertion that is not alowed, so I look for a precedent and it must be me, I dunno, I'm just looking for a way that I can follow the rules.

Not questioning this, but just explaining. I've seen this written probably 100 times or more, probably more, and never, ever, ever called a PA. In fact, it was in response to Mike writing, "Sorry you're having such comprehension problems..." So I am still puzzled as to how that is a PA, not questioning it, just perplexed as to how it is, perplexed internally. And not everything can be codified as to the rules and what is stated verbatim, so members look for a general tone on one hand, and OTOH the look for actual examples of rules infractions and hope the rules aren't enforced arbitrarily or capricously, not that they are here or anything, but they look for these actual statements and just don't make them. I'm just expressing how I attend this forum and I thought I was within the rules as I didn't write anything that I haven't seen written well over 100 times and there was no moderation recourse. As I was saying about the tone, not all examples of rule violations can be explicitly codified, so I think members look for a tone in that they perhaps rank and file PA's. Some are easy, for example writing, "I think you're wrong" or, "I don't think you know what you're talking about" certainly aren't considered PA's as a tone here at DZ.COM. But saying, "You're a dick" should be considered by all as a PA. So we look for a tone as to what is allowed, at least those who want to follow the forum rules do this. In recent threads what has been written to me have been things like: - I picture a 3 year old, - I reckon Lucky has some anger management issues - You make me think of the little girl he was portraying... - All you do is dance on Barracks pole like the slut I shoved 6 dollar bills into a G-sting last night for. - Sorry you're having such comprehension problems - you need an education - What a waste of oxygen.... - Maybe so, but so does a three legged dog trying to hump a greased pig. - fucking douche - Your implication that Sarah wants people to do violence upon those people is just stupid beyond all belief. These are just a few examples, there are many recent ones against me I have not stated, so I'm just trying to find a reasonable margin of forum behavior and I guess I have not. The emboldened ones above are obvious PA's, IMO, yet they were not warned against, yet Mike wrote the same thing I did, I was warned and he was not. Again, this is not a complaint and I am not questioning moderation, in a forum like this where nothing is arbitrary or capricious I'm just looking for guidelines thru example of what is and what is not allowed. As you say, "Speak to the topic; don't attack the poster." I can follow that, I'm just looking for a general sense of guideline since it would be impossible for you to state every last assertion that could be stated and every last one that could not. You ask for rule-following, that's all I'm doing is trying to follow the rules by behaving like others who are not warned. I'm not questioning or complaining, just needing a sense of guideline as to what is allowed.

We agree on the wall, I don't feel, as apparently you do, that it should be built as the Qin Shi Huang Dynasty did it with slave labor. And I agree with the wall to control terrorism, not to keep those horrible Mexicans out (sarcasm). I also feel we need some border controls between the US and Canada. Yes I know they're white, so they s/b ok (sarcasm), but it's about border control and we've decided that pissing off the world is ok, but defending our borders awe do this is not neccessary. Truth is if we didn't piss people off, we wouldn't need the border wall. We need reform. FR just wiped the slate clean and said, "there it is, we're done." I agree with FR on his 1986 bill, after all, we ha said for decades that ot was ok, let families set up shop, so how can we pull out the carpet. But the old senile bastard should have also set up new rules and enforced them, or at least treid. But by 1986 he was down to matching up the giranimals, so he was gone. How am I vindictive? Show me. Also, I'm not that dumb as to get married. Guys get hammered in divorce court, esp with kids, so I had my nuts cut too. It's all about preparedness.

LOL ... May I introduce you to Ruby Dhalla? Ruby Dhalla is a very powerful Liberal politician. So powerful that last year she (and family) decided to use their power against several foreign nannies who they employed in their home. You can read more about Ms Dhalla and how her and her family treat their employees here. I wonder ... does Ruby Dhalla and the rest of her family pay their employees an equitable share on the vast fortune the Dhalla clan takes in every year with her political connections? She is after all a Liberal, you know champion of making sure immigrants are treated fairly and not taken advantage of. Well if people bothered to do a little research on the Ruby Dhalla nanny-gate fiasco, they will see that this Liberal champion of immigrants, allegedly confiscated their employees passports and forced them to do non-nanny jobs making them work 12 to 16 hour days 5 days a week for a total of $250 per week. Hmmm. 12 times 5 divided by 250 ... hmmm ... Ruby Dhalla the champion of immigrants was paying her immigrant workers a little over $4 and hour. I think the Dhalla family thinks they are still in India the way they pay their employees slave wages. But Ruby Dhalla is a Liberal politician. She is entitled to her entitlements. I don't doubt that and to infer I should be aware of some obscure family is bizzare. But how far reaching is this? How far reaching is Oprah? Oprah employs a few people, maybe 100, maybe 200, but in a nation of 300M it has zero political impact. Now her voicing that she supports Obama carries impact just as did Lieberman, Limbaugh and all the others showing support for McCain impacts that political leg, but here we're talking distribution of wealth and all of the sudden the conversation has sunk to, "I go to my liberal barber rather than my conservative one because I want to distribute wealth to the lib." NEWSFLASH: POLITICIANS DISTRIBUTE WEALTH VIA LEGISLATION. There's you poli-sci 101 lesson.