Lucky...

Newsflash: The poor are eligible for medicaid Right, but all that bureaucracy and chance for disqualification make it difficult, rather than just having an easy way to get medical care. Just as a worker can get workman's comp, why not have an ergonomic bill for faster care. In my state a person can get access, but there are disqualifiers everywhere. All these programs do is to look for ways to DQ people rather than an open system to allow people in, lke Obama's chilren's HC Bill that your guy vetoed and mine passed 2 weeks after he took office.

Yep! Movements start with folks who share the same passion coming together. The same way BHO rallied his support to get into politics at the turn of the century. The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side. I see, it swung left for what, 3 years now and you think it's time to go right for 20-30 more again. OK. The point I was making I think you missed, it's the process that each ideology uses; libs examine issues, conservatives blindly support feelings that are preset. Just read this thread, the conservative approach is to get the emotion boiling and then to say, 'Now, do we really want to pass issue x?' Libs will take issue X and dissect it for it's merits rather than already know what they are going to do based upon a precept.

And Scalia, with his nose up Thomas' ass, will parrot him and go along. Roberts will go along just cause and you'll lose 6-3.

I do not agree with this one bit. We do have a National Health Care System. It is called Medicare. If that is not bad enough, add to it The Welfare system that is so taken advantage of. Now I would be willing to wager that each and everyone of us knows people on Welfare, that is unless you live in a cave. The Welfare system allows deadbeats to not work, sit at home, get fat and do nothing. Now I believe that this is a good system if you need help to get on your feet, but it should not be used as a soul means of income. The Medicare system is not enough, we need something better. With all of the money that we are spending Importing everything because it is too expensive to manufacture here in the US we could be using that Tax Revenue to pay for a better system. I am not sure what to do about this as I do not have a good answer. I do believe that our President Obama has screwed up the National Debt to a point that not even the Chinese will buy our bonds anymore. Everything could be routed back to 1964 in my opinion. To anyone that knows, this is the year that Silver and Gold replaced the backing for our money. In most other civilized nations in the world gold and silver still back their dollars. So lets side track back to what is going on in the world right now. In 2001 4 planes were hijacked and flown into strategic centers of the United States. 2 into New York and 1 into Washington D.C. We all know that the 4th plane was bound for someplace, but that may never be known. At this point in our Nations History I was working in Denver as a Plumber for Total Plumbing. TP was a large Non Union shop. In the Days following the Skyjacking we started losing big business. Large construction was being cut back because everyone feared for the Dollar. The rich people actually fund most things. Now take into account that a company who spends money has to hire workers, companies and others to do their work. These smaller businesses pay other companies, employees and others. This eventually brings it down to every employee that the smallest of companies has. This money is then in turn used to pay for things, food, groceries, utilities, skydiving, and everything else that we use in everyday life. So when the largest of companies starts holding onto their money it is going to put the entire country in a recession. War, War is big business. The training that we do, the gear that we use, and the services that we require all end up in the consumers' hands. ALL of the Men and Women in today's Armed Forces are doing this voluntarily, the US Military has been a completely Volunteer force since 1973. Everyday it breaks my heart to see that Men and Women are being killed in the Wars. Some of this cannot be prevented, some could with better training. Budget cuts where they are taking away 30 - 40% of our Military Budgets are just going to hurt us. Make no Mistake about it. You see on the news that some American Service Member killed, raped or did some other vile thing to bring down our Nation's respect. What you do not see is that last night our Military members killed over 20 of the Taliban's upper chain of command, their Facilitators, Commanders and Higher Ups. Now that all of this background has been laid out and most of you have stopped reading because it seems long winded lets bring everything back to the health care bill. Why do we need 1200 pages to a health care bill that basically gives us little but takes so much. I guess that you can argue that the rich do not need health care because they can pay for everything from their pockets. So why should they pay for all of the little poor peoples health care? I will tell you that this bill is only going to hurt the little people. Money is getting tighter all the time, Food, Clothing, Gasoline. It all adds up and we will feel this before we see any benefits for the Health Care Bill. Just remember Winston Churchill's Quote from George Orwell's Speach. "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill So Andy, continue to say or imply that we shouldn't be spending money on our military-industrial Complex and a national Security State. Because I maybe young, but I remember 6 days where planes didn't fly. With Respect for your Opinion, Adam Very well stated, thank you. I don't quite understand the need for the U.S.A. to be like every other civilized country on the planet. Our flag represents an ideal, not territory. Why our so called leaders wish to destroy that ideal leaves me dumbfounded. I am certain there is a money trail there somewhere that can be charted and followed. All that is above my pay grade. I have faith that there are some right minded individuals at that pay grade that can and will find the proper course. The starting point, hopefully, will be in November. We must vote wisely. Whenlibs refer to rhetoric, this is what we mean. No insult intended, but the conservatives don't seem to address issues, just feelings of, you know, wink, this is how we do it, hence conservatism which is tradition/regression. Try addressing issues sunstantively instead of yelling "911" everytime you get stuck. This is teh differece of the language between libs and connies; libs talk issues, connies talk feelings.

I'm sure 1 division, etc cat be cut and others appropriated more heavily, but since GHWB and Clinton cut funding and fixed the economy/balanced the budget, the last turd and the R congress blew out spending both on teh military basic support and the Iraq War(s). To look at one division is a microcosm and Obama hasn't cut military spending...yet.

Yea, unless that child needs HC and his parents are poor. Oh yea, the very Bill NaziBush vetoed was done 2 weeks after Obama took office. Kind of ironic that pic you posted with HC as the theme. What, Lucky - never heard of Medicaid? Was a child eligible for that on a ready basis? I hjave a feeling there are qualifications not as easy as plug-n-play. All I know is that just as GWB and your lovley party killed the Ergonomics Bill, GWB aslo vetoed the Children's health bill (maybe not the correct name) GWB's last year while 2 weeks into Obama's presidency, that bill was passed. Oh, the congress, I think 110th from 2007 t0 2009 where you say the Dems controlled it, they passd this and your #1 hero killed it. Why backdoor coverage thru Medicaid on a harder to qualify basis rather than just pass a law that makes kids eligible? Just like workplace injuries, why backdoor care thru workman's comp rather than have an ergo law for people with repetitive injuries? As people figure out how depraved the Republican Party really is, the more they'll be backshelved. What will you guys do if the D's win seats in November? Could happen, in the 1960's D's had 67 seats and they got the civil rts act passsed around that time as well as Medicare. November will be 4 ass kickings in a row and the R's aren't looking any better; the D's just grew a set of balls and Obama has waged war with reconcilliation and now recess appointments.

Really? When were the Russians/USSR ever a viable fighting force? When were they ever militarily tough and a conventional danger? When did they have a military that could reach out and touch vs guard their homeland? What technologiues, military armament technologies? If so, it BK'd our country in teh process, FR and GWB are the ones responsible for hammering this mess out, hope whatever technologies we did were worth it. Let's see, FR revitalived the B-1, what a great technological idea ; what a fine flying piece of shit . The F-117 didn't come till later, as well as the B-2, which due to missle systems is basically out-dated already. Hey, I know, I wonder what being a peace-loving country might do for all that? NAH, we're Americans ; fuck peace

Couples who are "poor" should improve their financial situation before they bring a child into the world. Wouldn't it be nice if life really worked that way? Really, can you say you planned everything out? And some people are just never very well off, some people never can jump very high and some people are born into poor families with parents of low education who often produce off spring of the same and are often poor. But I agree with you, the less educated, poor a person is, the less they are eligible to have HC as well as their child; that's the glorious America I know.

I just posted this in a new thread earlier about Obama's recess appointments. And actually, it's sending out the clowns. Oh well, have the OT Law which was designed to make working people ineligible for OT pay but req them to worl it by giving them a fancy title. Now we have humans back in the offfice; too bad - so sad.

Yea, some people on welfare are called Boeing, Lockheed and so many other corporate welfare programs; yea I know them. Then how do we get Boeing to get back to work and to quit sucking the gov nipple? It's only too expensive due to US corps finding labor cheaper, we need to punish US companies that export work. Raise the top tax brkt to 70%+ as it was since the mid 1930's until fascist pig Ronnie slammed it down to 28%. No more overnight millionaires, but at least we can pay down the debt. Yea, sep since the debt was 10.6T when Obama inherited it, >8T was under Reagan, Bush, Bush and the 2 Republican runs inherited a very stable debt picture and left a total mess, GWB was the worse with a total banking and mortgage failure.....so I guess you're right, Obama hasn't fucked up the debt. Ah yea, the top tax brkt was 75%ish and the debt was not a problem. Do you think there is enough gold and silver to back the US Dollar? Me thinks not. So what do we do, contract the money supply to match the amount of gold/silver? Great, last time we did that in the early 80's it drove unemp to 10.8%. Bad idea. Rich people hold 93% of all cash and 85% of all cash and asset, so yea, rich people fund most things where distribution gives everything to the rich. Well, yes, in a fascist nation where corporations control the money, write the laws, etc. You nailed it: corporations control everything. In socialism / quasi-socialism the gov controls things for the benefit of the people; a much better system where we don't throw ourselves in front of the train and beg the corps to throw on the brakes out of the kindness of their imaginary hearts. At least in a military industrial complex it is. Probably not real big in, let's say, Scandinavia. HUH???? Do you mean the bill is footed by? Or???? Well, the is the Selective Service, which in not voluntary and is a federal law, but tehy haven't drafted yet. Agreed as for the heartbreak. I think training is pretty top notch. Point out military budget cuts, I haven't seen any since GHWB and then Clinton. We match the world in military spending, so I just don't see the skimping; pls show me. OK, virtually all military service members are honorable, sacrificing people - no arg there. Wasn't it 2700 pages? Either way, what does it take? You give us some long, emotional appeal instead of hard facts. Show us the numbers. Where is your long appeal about people w/o HC for years or for people like my GF with Crones Disease who has worked for the Sheriff for 30 years and can't retire due to her pre-existing condition and the insurance issues/costs? Your emotional appeal and waving dead GI's on this page was strictly for emotional leverage; do you think we can't see that? Show me where they are. Mostly, the cost of the HC Bill/Law will just be tacked onto the big rubber check called the debt, the same one that you have no issue with poking 600B for basic military operation and another 150-200B per year for the Iraq/Afg Wars. I have an issue with that spending. And you will do so, as with the rest of your argument, w/o any data. Yep and it becomes harder to pay for medical svs, so the bill will bring some relief. Oh, Churchill; couldn't you find a warm, fuzzy Ann Coulter quote? This is more emotional appeal garbage to make us want to not only match the rest of the world with military spending, but to double what we now have. Didn't Jack Nicholson say something like that in, "A Few Good Men?" Let me ask ya this: Is matching the world dollar for dollar not enough military spending? If not, what is a good amount. I don't expect an answer.

For the second time in a week, McCain shows his lack of maturity at being out-generaled by squealing like a buggered sow. Yea, Clinton had some balls, shut down the gov for a bit, refused to give some tax breaks, etc. - didn't let that squirrel Newt sit up front with the humans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_recess_appointments Obama announces 15 recess appointments, scolds GOP That and the HC Bill reconcilliation, the Dems are growing a pair. About God Damned time

oxymoron Hyperbole My favorite part of that set of charts you posted was the fine print on the lower left attributing the source to representative Mark Kirk (R). Truly an unbiased, reliable source. Nice one. OMG, Mike posted a source . Sir, you can take those fuilthy lies out of here, Mike does not post sources.....I got your back, Mikey, this guy tried telling us that you cite sources - as if.

You know, you run your mouth an AWFUL lot by lying about other people's views - do you always do that, or is it a recent thing for you? Didn't you want Medicare to be curtailed or just plain cut? Isn't SS and Medicare stealing? What do we do, Mike, when the population ages and the money runs out? Don't let me put words in your mouth, go ahead and tell me/us what you would want done.

I dunno, why not ask your own party; sounds like they're experts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgDWAvLh0yo&feature=related

And the others do???? You are a teacher????? Wait, the issue was FOX and whether they try to hide their bias, ok, let's say you're right and teh others do, you are still conceeding that FOX shows its bias. Can't you guys stick to one issue? You can try to justify it by saying others don't, but Jebus, admit the obvious. No I am saying if you think your news source is the pure one then you are kidding yourself It is pure, as I check things of relevance before I believ e ANY source whether media, a guy at work, on an internet(s) club, etc. I saw Leno say this as he had RWer on as a guest, he basically made the point I have been following for years. See, you defend FOX, I defend none but understand the audience they cater to. I'm not saying FOX is anywhere near the other above sources I posted, but they lean rt and try to make you believe they are objectove; they are a bit right of center, just enough to detect but not so much as to make you vomit. Ultimately it's like Jesse Ventura says: The mainstream media isn;t left or right, they're a business and will report whatever sells advertising space via increased viewership. It's no secret that FOX caters to the moderate RW, not the extreme.

Your spidey-bias-sense could use some recalibration! Right, they're all so against the RW except the saviors: FOX. Hanity, Limbaugh There's a centerpiece: ABC, CBS. NBC Lefty: CNN, Moveon Righty: FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Heritage Foundation, Cato Inst Show me articles where you see the big 3 as left-leaning. Seriously, just make your case.

It seems a fair number of the posters in this thread think you are dodging the question. I don't see ABC, NBC or CBS as being biased, but I do understand the, "with us or against us" mentality of the right, uttered by the old fascist one: http://pachydermcoalition.com/ A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs, which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell it's numbers.... And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these conservative principals, then let them go their own way. We get it: with us or against us.

And the others do???? You are a teacher????? Thus proving the accuracy of the thread title. From a liberal teachers perspective W/o wandering off to your favoite brand of apples, does FOX hide or show its bais? No more or less than any of the others

That actually sounds funny; they show bias, but then drop that and show more reverse bias in order to be more fairWTF . Bias measn they are leaning towrd one side of an issue, preseumably unfairly. SO if that's the case, then how do they end up more F & B? I mean, that expression is FOX's cliche. In order to appear to be objective, I think you have to start and finish that way, any straying from that creates a bias that is considered to be permanent. Yes, I am too, wheather the TV, in person, etc. I then take what they have to say with a grain and then try to salvage something from it, but once boas is shown, I really can't come back. I generally ignore most of what they have to say and rely on any data or other evidence they have. I don't sense any measureable bias from ABC, NBC, CBS, but some from CNN and the likes.

And the others do???? You are a teacher????? Thus proving the accuracy of the thread title. From a liberal teachers perspective W/o wandering off to your favoite brand of apples, does FOX hide or show its bais? No more or less than any of the others

And the others do???? You are a teacher????? Thus proving the accuracy of the thread title. From a liberal teachers perspective W/o wandering off to your favoite brand of apples, does FOX hide or show its bais?

And the others do???? You are a teacher????? Wait, the issue was FOX and whether they try to hide their bias, ok, let's say you're right and teh others do, you are still conceeding that FOX shows its bias. Can't you guys stick to one issue? You can try to justify it by saying others don't, but Jebus, admit the obvious.

are you asserting that ALL of those are not correct? I'd say 2 of 4. We've already discussed many times some of the socalist parts of his agenda. Last time I brought up the things he had in common with Hitler I was basically told "yeah, so what. STFU" He is doing many of the things Hitler is. And anyone who voted for him should not dispute that (with some qualifications). You're better educated than to just think all Hitler did was the bad things. Yes, I've heard that Hitler was kind to dogs. He also introduced a a very early recycling scheme..... gold from teeth, glasses, shoes, etc. Yea, up until he wantd to test the cianide out to make sure it would work, he tried it on his dog, Daisy.....it worked.

what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'