Lucky...

He says to the guy who doesn't know junior high poli-sci. This denotes his knowledge in other areas too, he tries to claim he knows about aircraft than a lifelong acft mechanic who currently works as one. And all teh neo-cons who believe him - hillarious.

Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. So a dead war hero justifies required recitation of a rant? Brilliant. Here I thought the US COnst and dead hearoes stood for freedoms, not oppression.

I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance Free speech zealously guarded as a quote from that mess. Hmmm, free speech as long as you recite what we tell you to do? Nice joke. BTW, was Wayne a war hero or a hoolywood actor bagging every Hollywood whore he could; I forgot. Yea, real American he was. He makes Reagan look patriotic; neo-cons are so easy to fool.

You've posted opinion, nothing to support it. You're like Mike, empty argument followed by a victory dance. I do get it when you neo-cons say we don't get it; your ideology is one of, "with us or against us" and it really can't be taught, you just go along with everyone else or you are against us.

Mmmm mmm mm - Barack Hussein Obama. GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html OK, so what supports your nonresponse? "I won." Have another glass of koolaid, Lucky. LOL - Obama.....there, I won. Haha, feel like I'm having a debate with GWB.

Some limited border violence is there on the AZ side, but she was referring to headless bodies everywhere. Let me see if I can find the clip. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38981701/ns/politics-decision_2010/ We have did what was right for Arizona. Somewhere GWb is watching and applauding ferrociously. She is gov due to Nipple-atano resigning for the fed job. She is a complete boob and embarrassment to the R's; even most Repubs aren't this stupid. Watch the clip, she is laughably moronic. At the same time, Shwarzenegger refused debates with was it grey Davis or another opponent and was still eleected/reelected. So sadly this nut will still win. She has still refused future debates and has a big lead. Dumb Americans. "...since I have be-have come your governor..."

Gee I thought CSPAN was all liberal? So much for your liberal media conspiracy.

Rememeber, only real Americans love this country. Real Americans are Republicans (puke). Real Americans serve the country. What a gaggle of shit, you infer that if you don't want the chant you don't get it. So many who allegedly do get it and want forced everything have never served and ran from military service. Here's for your real Americans: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html Save me the preudo bravado

Mmmm mmm mm - Barack Hussein Obama. GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html OK, so what supports your nonresponse?

I am sorry you find them meaningless. Most of the country takes pride in it. Now you're speaking for most of the country. I take pride in those words because a teacher taught me how. You can't teach a civic perspective, you formulate your own. Trying to teach that is coercive.

You still bring up the real GDP thing, even though you added the "real" part in after the fact, and then accuse ME of dishonesty. So, kindly pardon me while I laugh hysterically about YOU mentioning honesty. Real GDP is the one generally referred to unless you have economic statisticians bantering about specificities of the fiscal picture. We assume real GDP unless otherwise noted, you tried to slip in GWB's mess in the mitigated version (nominal GDP)and I caught you.

I am sorry you find them meaningless. Most of the country takes pride in it. Now you're speaking for most of the country.

No. What I'm saying is that reciting the pledge before understanding what the words mean is meaningless. Four and five year olds don't have the vocabulary to even begin to understand it. What I'm suggesting is that it would be more helpful at that age to teach them what the words mean, than to parrot meaningless words. That's teh beauty of it; we brainwash/condition young so it sticks.

LECTURE: Kids, when forming steel we need to heat the material and then forge it, just like Custer forged across the ...... and Moses forged ahead and parted the Red Sea.....oh, what was I saying? Oh yea, so you heat the material and hammer it over an anvil like McCarthur hammered out Communism and Reagan hammered down the Berlin Wall.....uh, what was I saying? Oh yea, so once you hammer the steel over the anvil, you quench it in water to harden it like the true patriots threw bags of tea in the harbor in Boston on December 16, 1773 telling the Britts to shove their taxes up their ass. Ok kids, do you understand what we're going to do today? KIDS:

I know, we should shove Americanness down their fucking throats. See, our generation had America shoved down our throats, so should they. The idea of choice is so unAmerican, WTF is going on. Dissent is so bad, unless we're tea baggers advocating the Boston Tea Party, right? So fun to be selective. http://rexcurry.net/pledging-allegiance-photographs.html http://www.usavsus.info/US-PledgeSaluteSocialism.htm Nice to see a fellow Socialist in love with teh pledge

Or about hwt and his thinking MSNBCBS was a real media outlet? Or Belgian thinking an impeachment was a conviction? See, we can all stray offtrack when we're outta substance, but I choose to stick to the issue; how bout it, 500M jobs lost???? Obvious misspeak. Obvious only if you want to protect her. You do, so it SEEMS obvious to you. She very well may have said those words to make the number sound bigger. What was it either Billvon or Quade said - The Big Lie almost always works? If voters are so stupid as to not know there are 300M people in the US and believe that 500M Americans are about to lose their jobs, well, then they can be easily manipulated. Now, let's talk headless bodies in the dessert from the quack who signed 1070. Or is it more misdirection?

Or about hwt and his thinking MSNBCBS was a real media outlet? Or Belgian thinking an impeachment was a conviction? See, we can all stray offtrack when we're outta substance, but I choose to stick to the issue; how bout it, 500M jobs lost???? Obvious misspeak. Or Lucky thinking the ONN was an actual news source? I don't think anyone can ever beat that one! Or lucky's suggestion, "if you can't autogeneous weld it, then just Tig it". At least spell it right if you're going to act like you know something about it: autogenous. And that was your trip that we must all know your tiny corner of the abstract world. Autogenous welding is extremely obscure and there is no need to avoid Mig/Tig, gas welding, heliarc, ect and use autogenous welding. Why not use filler material when you can? You learned anew word/process and want to show it off; goody for you, that doesn't mean that all welding or even most welding must be autogenous. Show where heliarc or gas welding with a rod/stick is not suitable and autogenous must be used. Pretty short list, huh? And now show me acft airframe welding that must be that way. The welding together of two pieces of the same metal without the introduction of a solder is termed "autogenous soldering." The term, therefore, has a very restricted meaning, and up to the present can only apply to the welding of iron or steel, "lead burning," and, to a slight extent, cast iron and copper. It is true that cast iron, aluminium, and some alloys can be fused together, but these require the aid of a flux. It can be done, but why the need when easier processes are available? http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/metal/Sheet-And-Plate-Metal-Work/Autogenous-Welding.html You're trying once again to use some obscure piece of knowledge to pretend superiority. As for beat that one, I think being in a forum that talks what seems like 80% politics and thinking an impeachment is a conviction beats that by far. That is mainstream knowledge, the Onion is an obscure internet publication.

Well, thank God it wasn't something real like doctors stealing tonsils and feet, or Hoover killing 12 million people. I admitted it was a bad source; how desperate of you to drag that around for months, will be years. Diff is, when the nasty beotch Gov Brewer was trapped in the media on TV, she ducked and ran like a good neo-con. Honesty requires coming forth and admitting bad source, bad idea, etc. Neo-cons = denial - run like hell. Beised, Hoover's innaction likely only killed a few hundred thousand to a mill or two, not a big deal at all in the neo-con book of humanity. Of course then he sold out and raised taxes 260% to begin teh recovery; what an asshole he was.

Or about hwt and his thinking MSNBCBS was a real media outlet? Or Belgian thinking an impeachment was a conviction? See, we can all stray offtrack when we're outta substance, but I choose to stick to the issue; how bout it, 500M jobs lost???? Obvious misspeak.

Any random twit who truly believes she didn't simply mis-speak and say "million" when she obviously meant "thousand" is an idiot. Obviously, there are about 300M people in the US and not all are in the workforce. Is this the best the RW can do to establish fearmongering?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070902342.html The RW will stop at nothing to scare you into a vote for them. Funny and yet pathetic.

Eh? He's trying the old, "they do it, we do it; it's all the same." This is how RWers blame the left for fiscal messes too. Generally the extremists come from the right, since that is the extreme and volatile position.

I guess the differenc is that there is a frenzy attitude around RW nuts. Abortion doctor killers really have the nod from many Christians. When LW nutters go off, they often destroy property, as with PETA, RW nutters tend to kill people and are more likley to have the backing, even if secretive, of RW/fundies. Inc ase you haven't noticed, conservatism has 1 and only 1 template, liberalism is more diverse.

I didn't know they lost it.

Ah, so in leiu of data you just call the other guy's data, "simplistic." Irony 10. The purpose for the tax cuts, GWB's, the fascist pig's, Harding/Coolidge, etc are to give the rich more power and control, the justification is that it actually helps the economy. Show me a major federal tax cut, esp since FDR with the new economy that represenst close to what we now have, that led to overall benefit. Show me the opposite; a tax increase that led to disaster. So you can take your so-called complex tax scenario and do with it what you want, but as with any science, you must test it and that's what I'm asking for - show me the test results that support your model. Again, use major federal cuts, anything can be proven in an abstract sense. Here's a history of federal tax rates - top brkt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MarginalIncomeTax.svg