Lucky...

Fixed it for ya.

Oh, go to prison for murder, so you don't think the same standard should apply to the state-sanctioned murderer? You're kinda slipping here; do you see it?

Well, there are so many appeals, esp Habeus Corpus as they are limitless. The reason is that people want out and it gives them hope, usually false hope. But in AZ in DP cases, they are guaranteed an automatic appeal track to the state supreme ct for review, doesn't mean they will get heard. I see you combine the innocent people executed and the innocent people murdered by SOB's. Let's compare the murderers, shall we? Dahmer, Bundy, Gacey and THE STATE FOR WHICH YOU CONDONE. I'm ok with you sticking to your guns, just realize that your position leads to wrongful deaths.

Exactly, but some feel 50 dead at a maall is better than 1 man's rights being suspended until he recovers.

Rights are not rights if they can be stripped as "peremptory." Joe Snuffy might be harboring explosives so he has no 4th Amendment rights. This would be considered an abomination. A person's 5th Amendment rights might result in a not guilty verdict. A peremptory limiting of a person's First Amendment rights would also be an abomination. (I know you believe that a person's First Amendment rights should yield to your idea of an orderly society, meaning that one viewpoint should be stifled so that the other viewpoint doesn't burn down cities and kill others). What about the Sixth Amendment (think of the Patriot Act preventing a speedy trial). These rights are not to protect the power base. Rights are there to protect those who are otherwise found not-desirable. The Second Amendment is one of those rights. The 4th is not absolute, the 5th also. The 2nd is also very limited and now for teh safety of society they revoked it for this guy. Again, I haven't supported / criticized this move, I just defined it.

It's not, but is it necessary? If he legally obtained a gun and killed 50 in a mall, what then? The system knew he had disorders and did nothing to even administratively stop him. Where does a person's rights end and society;s begine? I realize you're looking to pick a fight here, but I'm just posing the questions; you won't bother answering them. We do it all the time with DV cases, we can't with diminished mental capacity? What kind of mental stress disorders warrant revoking a person's 2nd rights? Are you saying none? Prior restraint is a legal term related to censorship in the United States referring to government actions that prevent communications from reaching the public From your link, taht has to do with media info, right? Does that apply in 2nd cases? We do, revoking gun rights due to psych disorders has zero to so with censorship; I realize the distant, abstract comparison you're making. If a person has a string propensity to act with danger to society or an individual person, we need to take preemptive measures. Now, with that, as I already said, I don't know enough of this case to make a judgment here, I realize you're trying to put taht into my words, I merely said the system was covering their ass. Here comes the tangent/rant. Which is why I ask what happens if a pereson diagnosed with a mental disorder kills 50 in a mall; what then? Do we start prohibiting guns to these folks then? Do you admit you're wrong? Or is it 2md until the crazies kill em all? People who think Communism and Socialism will never understand anything complicated. Socialism has worked well in Europe as well as Canada. As taxes are lowered (Republican Capitalism) then thinmgs go to fuck, as taxes are increased (Socialism) things repair, so your point has just been overturned from a fiscal perspective. Shall we talk from a social perspective? Capitalism is a failure from a Social perspective; care to debate? Gee, did you forget N Korea? When you use some of the worst palces to make your point, that's called being abstract. When you find yourself being abstract to make a point, you must realize your point is probably off-center. But actually Russia is coming up, China is the biggest creditor nation in teh world, we are the biggest debtor; once again even with the mosst extreme examples you're wrong. Again, you don't understand social systems for shit. Old school Communism and old school fascism had in common totalitarianism, but that can only be found today in application in perhaps China, maybe N Korea. Remember, in WWII Communist countries and fascist countries were on opposite sides. Neo-Communism and neo-fascism, which is what you are talking about with application as you stated, are far different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communists_in_the_United_States_Labor_Movement_(1937%E2%80%931950) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA Communism promotes organized labor, fascism STRONGLY opposes it. So the most basic tenant of these social systems are strongly opposing yet, out of convenience, you claim they are parallel. Go figure, if you can't create an hionest argument, you go all Glen Beck on us. BTW, as added support, look at Carl Marx's headstone: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=680&PIpi=94085 Workers of all lands unite. Fascism despises organized labor then and now, which is why the US and fascist Ronnie are so for each other.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100906/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_stoning On one hand NATO and/or the US should invade, OTOH why end up in a long, protracted war where thousands of Americans die changing a fucked up place like Iran? It's a toughy, but if they go thru with this I say cut em off financially and turn up the heat on the Nukes issue.

http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zturtle1.html Mmmm, I love baked turtle.

Correct you are sir! Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps. No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends. Maybe you could put us in ovens then? Cold ovens? That would sorta defeat the point. Never said you were the smartest group of people did I? That's laughable, a neo-con trying to infer a liberal is a Nazi. Rememeber, we're the Commies, you gusy are the Nazis.

Correct you are sir! Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps. Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness. Get over your obsession with me. Don't flatter yourself. Nothin personl, It's your ideals that I am convinced are unrealistic. Which are those, that tax cuts are disasterous? Hmmm, you have yet to provide 1 maj fed tax cut that has shown beneficial to the masses, the system. I have provided and will again major tax cuts that led to immediate disaster and shown tax increases that led to success.

Wait, that isn't punishment, that's a different subject. Many cultures have killed infant girls as they were a liability. Remember the times they were in, if they hadn't done that they would have gone extinct as that tribe far sooner. Not a justification for it, just a natural rendering. Coyotes will eat their young if there isn't enough food around too, primative humans were pretty barbaric.

Many cases have no DNA, so what then? Just fry em cause it's easier? Answer this: IS IT MORE EGREGIOUS TO FREE A GUILTY PERSON OR EXECUTE AN INNOCENT ONE? Also, a convict doesn't have to prove their innocence, they can establish: - Incompetent counsel - Procedural violations - Jury instructions - and a myriad of other elements not relating to the crime. Here I thought it was to not do something that is irreversable. No doubt there are some rotten SOB's that deserve more than simple execution, but in order to have that process, we must also be willing to execute the occassional innocent; are you willing to do that? Yea, I knew u were a youngen Shit, I was a child when that came out, it was a huge movie.

You are so easy. And you acquiesced.

____________________________________ Glenn Beck draws 300-400 thousand people to a peaceful non political rally and the progressives look for anything to make this look bad...got it.. Yea, only a true neo-con could think lying is honorable. I know . . . what a shame . . . i guess you just labeled yourself a Neo-Con Not to give your Libertarian rag any credibility, but Failing to fullfil promises isn't a lie, it's failure to perform. You must show Obama intentionally misled thru deceptive promises. Simply saying you want to achive a given thing and not being able to perform isn't a lie; the burden is on you to show intentional, premeditated deceit, not just your random opinion. For example Obama said he would get us out of Iraq soon, he ended the war but there is still a presence. Another is the HC deal, he made promises of uni-care, but that was beyond his control; he wanted to but congress couldn't give him that. WHat Beck did was to perpetrate a bold-faced lie over something immediatley known; quite a difference. And was it meant to deceive? Absolutley.

According to RonD1120 it's a Socialist holiday. WOW.

What if we later determine they were innocent after years of time went by? You don't seem to want to address that. BTW, many murderers are nerds, I've seen several convicted. As for the island thing, they made of movie about that concept; Papillon. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070511/

Correct you are sir! Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps. Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness. Get over your obsession with me.

____________________________________ Glenn Beck draws 300-400 thousand people to a peaceful non political rally and the progressives look for anything to make this look bad...got it.. He thought he was so clever trying to fly in under the radar with all the religion and honesty bullshit. The man has a definate messianic complex. Only a fool would think it was "non political" event. I had a fun time trying to spot the blacks in the crowd (not the invited performers) I think blacks make up about 10% of the US population and I would bet there was less than 1% in the crowd, although Faux news kept zooming in on the few who were there. 13% last I heard. Yea, a real diverse group they are. Did you also spot teh KKK hoods, they were easier to find.

It's preemptory. It sucks, but iff he kills 50 people at a mall, that sucks too. Everyone is just running scared with liability so the safe thing to do is to yank his guns and if he get em on his own, that's on him. It's all about the piles of paperwork.

I'm notteh biggest fan of the US on a few levels, but let's be real, I don't think we need to borrow anything from the pages of Chinese government. What % of their executions are of innocent people? Right, so you advocate the expeditious killing of convicts, some of which are 100% innocent, to further the idea of deterrence of crime against innocent people?

____________________________________ Glenn Beck draws 300-400 thousand people to a peaceful non political rally and the progressives look for anything to make this look bad...got it.. Yea, only a true neo-con could think lying is honorable.

Agreed, but in this thread, what did I write that could be considered inflaming at all?

I can suck it up, I'd just like to know what I wrote so I can avoid that in the future.

I'm at a loss to figure out what I did to draw that? Turtle is teh one getting out of sorts and saying telling me to fucking do X, Y and Z. Pls illustrate where I did anything.

What, you're saying the dat to honor the labor in this country is Socialist? WTF???? WOW, that's pure fascist Ronnie neo-fascism to regard labor as just some worthless Socialists. You've lowered teh bar even beyond Christian fundamentalist extrremist.