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The penalty should depend on the crime, not on the quality of the evidence. If you have any system, you will have errors, no matter how you claim to not make them. Death penalty = eventual errors; no way around it.

That is so ignorant Shit, why stop at ignorant, Bill has shown he won't do a thing if someone says something way worse than that to me, of course I live on a 1-way street. But thanks for explaining to everyone your opinion of America's villence; you've cleared it up.

I hope you mean clay kittens

I totally agree. We wonder why our society is so violent; look no further than the court system, massive military, etc.

Hey, Jebus put clay pidgeons here for us to do with what we wish; go home liberal.

Uh oh, here come the clay pidgeon advocates.

Actually not true, Ray Krone's case only had a bite impression that was wrong. He frequented teh bar the victim worked at too. Otehr than that, there was piss for evidence. 100% correct. True. There are circumstances, but a huge price to pay for revenge; millions of dollars and the occassional innocent person killed.

Do I need to list all the people exonerated after years and multi appeals? If you condone your process, you're condoning state-sanctioned murder on rare occassion. Ray Krone is a great example, he had 2 trials in front of hillbillies and was convicted both times, the forst sentenced to death, 3 years later to life as teh judge doubted his guilt. 7 years and 300k from a family relative they got the shirt tested for DNA; it possessed teh DNA of a guy in prison for a like crime, he confessed and got life, I spoke with his attny a year ago. Anyway, it was a huge case and using your model, he would be dead at the hands of the state; how do you feel about your system now?

There is virtually no such thing as 100% in reality. And cases that are 70% seem to creep up to 80 or 90, etc. It's just too expensive and problematic for what, revenge?

If we have a process to execute scum who deserve it, we will also use the same process to kill the occassional innocent person. And that doesn't address the idea of being in the killing business.

I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance I don't know wether to laugh or cry. I don't mean to be disrespectful or offend you but are you serious? That post is as cheesy as a big mac. Honestly tell me, do you really think of America in those terms? It seems looking from the outside in that the link is harping back to glory days of the USA that never really existed outside of Hollywood celuloid. Maybe that is why John Wayne, the greatest US warrior that never was is the subject of the film. He was such a fraud, even moe than fascist Ronnie. He played a hero when he was just as sleezy as any modern-day Hollywood celeb.

Scroll back thru your posts and realize you bring in no data, nothing of substance just, "as soon as you liberals realize we're right we'll all be better." Educated people support their points.

200 years ago, even if he were white, he would be a Dem or a Whig, so he wouldn't fit in.

You must remember that the R's and D's switched sides in the 1920's. The D's were so attrocious in the early and mid 1800's that as Lincoln won in 1860 only 1 D won until Wilson in 1912; 44 of the next 52 years were held by R's. The R's were the progressives then and then all of teh sudden in the 1920's they took a shit. Harding Coolidge, and Hoover really fucked things up and went from helping the little guy, the consumer as with Teddy to siding with the corporation. Since then it's been corporate-loving garbage except Eisenhower and GHWB from the R's. Look at Reagan, he was the revisiting of the Harding/Coolidge duo. Really you must blame the voter, he/she puts this garbage in place and keeps them there.

As odd as it might sound, Communism and Capitalism have more in common than does Socialism. Look at who aligned during WWII. Look at the current distribution of wealth. The alleged opposing ideologies are really sisters in some ways.

Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. I'll wager I've been to more THIS YEAR alone, than you have. Yes, we're supposed to learn that dead heroes = forced, imposed rules. They are different in that one is a realationship to the people from the gov, the other is a commitment from a soldier citizen to the gov/people. You keep doing that, I guess for lack of anything substantive to say.

Rememeber, only real Americans love this country. Real Americans are Republicans (puke). Real Americans serve the country. What a gaggle of shit, you infer that if you don't want the chant you don't get it. So many who allegedly do get it and want forced everything have never served and ran from military service. Here's for your real Americans: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html Save me the preudo bravado Here's a napkin to wipe that spittle off your chin. Again, as with Mike, nothingness.

Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. So a dead war hero justifies required recitation of a rant? Brilliant. Here I thought the US COnst and dead hearoes stood for freedoms, not oppression. "It's (not) a neo-com thing - you wouldn't understand" Thx for adding nothing.

Glad you've got that phrase memorized - we've already seen your legal acumen, so it's good that you have a fallback job lined up. By the looks of your pic, you also know that phrase.

CSPAN or Sharpton are far from my heroes, so not sure of your point as usual. Obama, yes, he is my hero and is doing well.

Attacking the posts? That's what you're supposed to do and I did. Try to follow along: - Neo-con freaks: The mainstream media is all liberal - This thread: CSPAN hammered a liberal - ME: Tell me again, how is the MSM liberal? Perhaps you didn't bother to watch the vid there luckster. The C-SPAN host cut off the caller mid-stream, only to be confronted with another caller who felt the same. No one said anything about C-SPAN hammering a liberal. Here's your napkin. The first caller drug on saying the same thing so they ended the call. He made his point, it wasn't cut him off to show love for Sharpton. The point is, they showed Sharton getting hammered by a black man, not a feel-good for the libs, so my point was clear and still stands.

You're delluded. Work at my hangar is so busy right now I wish I had a break; I'm working over the holliday weekend. It was scarce during and just after your guy hammered the fuck out of everything. As for you adding to the GNP, yes I do want fries with that.

There have been a couple isolated incidents of peopel getting killed and it was attributed to illegals w/o enough support to make a real case. But she was talking bodies everywhere w/o heads and that isn;t the case, not even one . Even aside from her lack of cogent, articulate speech, her substance is absolutley wrong. To me her speech, by itself, is irrelevant, but her lack of honest substance is the real rub. She hasn't fixed teh budget, Goddard didn't side with unions dissuading business here, 1070 did cause conventions and other business, the entire city of LA to boycott us, not the unions she wrongly alleges Goddard to side with. You are one of the more honest conservatives here, but your, "hey, idiot politicians are everywhere" brings you closer back to them. She overtly lied and when the media called her on it she ran. She's still running and refusing any more debates with the former STate AG running against her. WHat kind of stupid POS would see her doing all this: Lies, incompetence, illitteracy, cowardess and still vote for her just to support their ideologies? It really defines the Republican Party.

Attacking the posts? That's what you're supposed to do and I did. Try to follow along: - Neo-con freaks: The mainstream media is all liberal - This thread: CSPAN hammered a liberal - ME: Tell me again, how is the MSM liberal?

Gee I thought CSPAN was all liberal? So much for your liberal media conspiracy. Liberals can only hide facts and truth for so long, then they must all admit to their ignorance. That makes your typical sense: - Liberals hide = overt known deviance - Ignorance = not knowing / not aware You can't just throw a bunch adjectives out there without thinking it thru and still come off appearing intelligent. If the liberals areintentionally hiding thinsg, that isn't ignorance; start making sense.