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If you wanr to start a thread about Obama, by all means feel free. The fact is when one of your fucking idiot mouth pieces from the right gets caught in an outright lie you need to change the subject. Restoring honer my ass Just the thought of Beck in his magic Mormon underwear is too much, he is a fucking deranged idiot. If Obamas series of lies not a problem then Becks should not be either Seems an appropriate point to me Oh, and I dont give a rats ass what goes on in your mind Right, let's avoid the issue; your hero caught in a lie and transpose it with your unsupported claim of Obama's alleged lie that you haven't brought forward yet. If you're going to build a strawman, at least give us the strawman; you haven't even done that yet.

Funny how you make these claims and back up none. Actually not fuuny, just typical.

IOW's once again you don't know what you're talking about, yet have a strong opinion? In the same words - do your own fucking homework, unless you are too lazy or utterly incapable of reading the thread to determine what I am talking about. Strong opionon or not. Do your own fucking homework. If I am willing to pose a strong opinion about a specific issue, I ensure I have enough info. Once I realize I don't, I back away from that opinion. I'm asking you to produce that info since you have a strong opinion, I errantly expected you to have that info. Unfortunately I projected my process upon you.

I get that, but on teh othe rend do you want innocent people to die or spend their lives in prison for a crime they had no knowledge of? Is there more injustice done by convicting an innocent person or freeing a guilty one? That's the big question.

IOW's once again you don't know what you're talking about, yet have a strong opinion?

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/g/gay_cheerleader-12791.jpg Great to see you guys rally behind the only person barely able to reply, yet never actually replying yourself. BTW, you guys look great, keep up the good cheerleading.

In this case: Altho DNA is reliable in ID, it can't testify as to how it got there. DNA lab tampering has been discovered multi times, as detectives are close to lab workers and other reasons. Oh now there's a reliable source; cellmate got a sweetheart deal too, huh? That could very well be valuable, what were they? Provide links if you can. Ok, that doesn't denote guilt, drinking a dead victim's beer after the crime. Post a link to data if there is one. OK, I'd like to hear more of the evidence.

Says the n eo-con but is unable to address any of this: Well then sounds like you've become an Obama fan; you can't keep riding both sides of teh fence; slamming him for raising taxes and then praising him for cutting them. Truth is, the cuts he's talking are miniscule compared to letting the income tax go back up to 40% and the death tax go from 0% to 55% in a few months. You're decrying 3% and ignoring 97%. BTW, the cuts he's talking about control a very small % of taxpayers, when I say that it might affect the majority of people, probably does, but affects a puny minority of tax revenue - the important thing. Moreover, raising taxes directly brings in more revenue, but more importantly it forces corporations to reinvest their profits to avoid taxes, creating growth which creates increased revs and less unemployment. http://www.ntu.org/...ys-income-taxes.html The tax cuts will affect those making 40k/yr gross and less, the group that pays

I know asking a neo-con for evidence is asking too much, but perhaps you could provide a citation. Great to see neo-cons back each other, I just want a citation to better explain what he is talking about. You've affirmed it is asking too much. No shit, this is why I stated this: I don't know HIPPA like the back of my hand, but am learning it has some very good provisions I know it does a lot of things, most importantly to non-sociopaths is that it paved teh way for insurers to accept preexisters by mandation. As for shooting my mouth off, I didn't start the thread acting as if I knew HIPPA like the back of my hand and stated such. It is typical to post a link, your boy didn't, so just keep defending him and ignoring that. Also, his point was so undiscernable I have no idea of what he was trying to say other than he hates anything that is a product of Dems.

Basically, yes. All you can do is what you guys do to FDR and say he prolonged the GD. When a pres inherits a POS that is still descening, he has a fair period of time before he owns it. According to the socipaths tho, he owned it 2 weeks into his presidency. Try as you will, your party fucked this up, as with Reagan, Harding Coolidge, etc and we are once again fixing it. Speaking of 'microcosmic worlds' and all...we already knew that you think Obama can do no wrong - but it's nice to see you admit it. I see, you don't want to discuss the issues either, Mikeee. I posted a bevy of data, why not just address it, unless it makes your point less viable? Because it isn't applicable to the subject of the thread, like usual when you go off on one of your "Obama is terrific and I want to have his baby" love-fests - it's like trying to talk sense into rhys on a WTC thread; it ain't gonna happen and for the same reasons. Sure it is, and teh thread author brought us there asking if Obama was doing a great job. I answered by example and both you and he are running. Mike, we can all see you guys running, but if it makes you feel better to think we don't see it, great. I addressed teh tax issue, no one has responded to that. AIRDVR: Either way Lucky your boy is talking tax cuts. Still think he's doing a great job? ME: Well then sounds like you've become an Obama fan; you can't keep riding both sides of teh fence; slamming him for raising taxes and then praising him for cutting them. Truth is, the cuts he's talking are miniscule compared to letting the income tax go back up to 40% and the death tax go from 0% to 55% in a few months. You're decrying 3% and ignoring 97%. BTW, the cuts he's talking about control a very small % of taxpayers, when I say that it might affect the majority of people, probably does, but affects a puny minority of tax revenue - the important thing. Moreover, raising taxes directly brings in more revenue, but more importantly it forces corporations to reinvest their profits to avoid taxes, creating growth which creates increased revs and less unemployment. http://www.ntu.org/...ys-income-taxes.html The tax cuts will affect those making 40k/yr gross and less, the group that pays

Basically, yes. All you can do is what you guys do to FDR and say he prolonged the GD. When a pres inherits a POS that is still descening, he has a fair period of time before he owns it. According to the socipaths tho, he owned it 2 weeks into his presidency. Try as you will, your party fucked this up, as with Reagan, Harding Coolidge, etc and we are once again fixing it. Speaking of 'microcosmic worlds' and all...we already knew that you think Obama can do no wrong - but it's nice to see you admit it. I see, you don't want to discuss the issues either, Mikeee. I posted a bevy of data, why not just address it, unless it makes your point less viable?

I know asking a neo-con for evidence is asking too much, but perhaps you could provide a citation. HIPPA provides people getting employed and signed up with group plans can submit preexisting conditions after 6 months, it was the predecessor to Obama's HC provision that health insurers must accept prexisting conds regardless. I don't know HIPPA like the back of my hand, but am learning it has some very good provisions. If you have a beef to make, provide cites as to what you're talking about.

That sounds like the same side of the fence. Here's your napkin. Oh, I'm sorry, you must have missed this: And as long as you can live in your microcosmic world then all is well. - Feb 08 to Feb 09 unemp rose 3.4% in just that one year, meaning it was picking up steam hardcore. It rose about 2% more to 10.1 and then receeding and is stable at 9.5, 9.6. Also, let's not forget that if the D's did as the R's want and chop unemp benefits the unemp rate would be way lower, probably in the 8% range, so the D's are cutting their own throats by helping people. Also, the census jobs ended so the numbers should be even higher, so apparrently the jobs Obama's policies are creating are offsetting a lot of these census losses; 114,000. http://www.bls.gov/...lease/empsit.nr0.htm The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) de- clined by 323,000 over the month to 6.2 million. So there was good and bad news, very mixed for August. The good thing is that there weren't major changes even with teh 114k lost census jobs. Here's the graph, mark late Jan 09 and see what he inherited vs did with it: http://data.bls.gov/...eries_id=LNS14000000 So, with what he inherited, has he done poorly? This could have been in the mid teens by now if the moronic tax cutter had his way, the guy who's advisor said we were all just whiners. - The GDP was 4 of 5 Q's negative, as Obama inherited it. Since then it has flipped huge, the biggest turnaround in US history I believe. Here's the graph: http://www.bea.gov/...l/gdp/gdp_glance.htm Please explaion what's wrong with that. He took a 4th Q 2008 GDP shrinkage of -7% and flipped it + in 6 months. See, with microcosmic data interpretation all is posible, you can take any issue and focus on 1 tiny, specific area and find success. With data interpretation, to be honest you must use a large sample size and also interpret how the data became what it is. Taht means no taking policies from 20 years ago and claim they made the change unless you have real solid case for it. So take these graphs and show us how bad a job Obama has done with his economic policies. Now keep being the good little neo-con, unable to address issues and we won't think differently of you.

Basically, yes. All you can do is what you guys do to FDR and say he prolonged the GD. When a pres inherits a POS that is still descening, he has a fair period of time before he owns it. According to the socipaths tho, he owned it 2 weeks into his presidency. Try as you will, your party fucked this up, as with Reagan, Harding Coolidge, etc and we are once again fixing it.

______________________________________________ well, i will address your points on gdp and unemployment. 1st quarter was revised to 2.7% (3rd revision) 3rd quarter down to 1.7 % and unemployment just rose to 9.6% that means GDP is dropping and unemployment is rising. hardly anything to boast about . http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/q1-2010-gdp-3rd-revision-27 And as long as you can live in your microcosmic world then all is well. - Feb 08 to Feb 09 unemp rose 3.4% in just that one year, meaning it was picking up steam hardcore. It rose about 2% more to 10.1 and then receeding and is stable at 9.5, 9.6. Also, let's not forget that if the D's did as the R's want and chop unemp benefits the unemp rate would be way lower, probably in the 8% range, so the D's are cutting their own throats by helping people. Also, the census jobs ended so the numbers should be even higher, so apparrently the jobs Obama's policies are creating are offsetting a lot of these census losses; 114,000. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) de- clined by 323,000 over the month to 6.2 million. So there was good and bad news, very mixed for August. The good thing is that there weren't major changes even with teh 114k lost census jobs. Here's the graph, mark late Jan 09 and see what he inherited vs did with it: http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000 So, with what he inherited, has he done poorly? This could have been in the mid teens by now if the moronic tax cutter had his way, the guy who's advisor said we were all just whiners. - The GDP was 4 of 5 Q's negative, as Obama inherited it. Since then it has flipped huge, the biggest turnaround in US history I believe. Here's the graph: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm Please explaion what's wrong with that. He took a 4th Q 2008 GDP shrinkage of -7% and flipped it + in 6 months. See, with microcosmic data interpretation all is posible, you can take any issue and focus on 1 tiny, specific area and find success. With data interpretation, to be honest you must use a large sample size and also interpret how the data became what it is. Taht means no taking policies from 20 years ago and claim they made the change unless you have real solid case for it. So take these graphs and show us how bad a job Obama has done with his economic policies.

It is his idea, his veto or signing power. I did, you should actually post a link to make us think you know what you're talking abiout instead of subsequent posters to your link. Well then sounds like you've become an Obama fan; you can't keep riding both sides of teh fence; slamming him for raising taxes and then praising him for cutting them. Truth is, the cuts he's talking are miniscule compared to letting the income tax go back up to 40% and the death tax go from 0% to 55% in a few months. You're decrying 3% and ignoring 97%. BTW, the cuts he's talking about control a very small % of taxpayers, when I say that it might affect the majority of people, probably does, but affects a puny minority of tax revenue - the important thing. Moreover, raising taxes directly brings in more revenue, but more importantly it forces corporations to reinvest their profits to avoid taxes, creating growth which creates increased revs and less unemployment. http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html The tax cuts will affect those making 40k/yr gross and less, the group that pays

So show me. If you can't show me in the New Testament then I can only take it that you are refering to the Old Testament in which it says that Adulters and homosexuals should be stoned to death. So show me or reveal your hypocracy. I apologize, I took advantage of you because I know you lack education and understanding of the Scriptures. It does not exist in the new covenant. The new covenant instructs us to follow the law of the land regarding the death penalty. Read Romans 13. So you lied in order to try to grease a point by; I see you're an Old Testamenter. I think there are a lot of closeted OT folks. Jesus repeatedly denounces violence in the Gospels (most explicitly in Matthew 5:38-39/Luke 6:27-28 and Matthew 26:52), and personally interrupts a biblically sanctioned execution (John 8:3-11), which would seem to indicate clear opposition to capital punishment.

Show me one from the new covenant. Semantics. Doesn't the Old Testament reference retribution, the new ideolize forgiveness? If so, then you did reference retribution in punishment fitting crime (eye for eye, etc).

Well, just as long as we govern our country based upon the fable, that's what's important. So how does the good book justify killing the occassional innocent person? Kill em all and let God sort em out? Or more of a Salemesque approach? Give me the needle and if they live they are a witch, die they were innocent? Welcome to 1692; enjoy your stay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials The episode has been used in political rhetoric and popular literature as a vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of religious extremism, false accusations, lapses in due process, and governmental intrusion on individual liberties.[1]

it's generally a misdomeanor or even an infraction, dating back to the 70s. And with an absurdly open 'medical use' policy, it's been effectively legal for years. That we only see 61k arrests out of 800some shows that- it should be about double that to match the rest of the country, and I know more weed is smoked here than average. It looks like it has been decriminalized in places or reduced to an offense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_that_have_decriminalized_non-medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States The chart doesn't show Nazizona, but it is a felony for any amount, I can provide the statute. However, 1st offense is always charged as an open 6, meaning it is reduced to a misdemeanor and then goes away. According to the chart, in Cali it has been decriminalized, so maybe Leno was referring to locally, but he didn't specify Cali. Of course this saysit is a misdemeanor in Cali: http://www.chrisconrad.com/expert.witness/calmjlaws.html Here's a comprehensive site: http://law.jrank.org/pages/11811/Marijuana.html

This what you were trying to mummble out: “That’s why we need to take further steps to create jobs and keep the economy growing, including extending tax cuts for the middle class and investing in the areas of our economy where the potential for job growth is greatest.” http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_pl3551 Pls do us a favor and have an idea of what you are referring to next time.

Really? WTF So it doesn't matter who did it ? - seems to be what you're saying No, that is not what I said. I fundamentally disagree that the penalty should depend on whether or not the evidence is "overwhelming". Why should one murderer get prison and another the needle for identical crimes, just because the evidence was better in one case than in the other? The penalty should depend on the severity and heinousness of the crime. Well, more succinctly, the aggravating factors. AZ has 10 aggravators and 5 mitigators used when determining DP seeking or not. However there are more political issues as well, not just partisan politics. But I agree, claiming more evidence to be more qualified = a person is more guilty. Guilt requires a standard to achieve, but once it has been met that person is 100% guilty. It's almost an admission that the system is greatly flawed when people want more punishment for those who are more guilty; I think we know there are innocent people in prison and occassionally executed.

Probably because it isn't true. Then what makes sense about your assertion of incompetent fisccal policy? You think inheriting a 3.4% increase in unemployment THE YEAR PRECEEDING HIS TAKING OFFICE to stop the bleeding after 9 months and then drop it .5% and stable is incompetence? Hate to hear your idea of his predecessor. You think inheriting 4 of 5 Q' negative GDP, -7% the Q prior to his taking office, then flipping it in no time and posting massive + numbers is incomptence? Hate to hear your idea of his predecessor. You think inheriting a tanking DJIA and then flipping it to hold >10k is incompetence? Hate to hear your idea of his predecessor. You think inheriting a crashed and dying banking, mortgage, housing and auto industries and then saving them all to now trun profits is incompetence? Hate to hear your idea of his predecessor. I just posted them, let me hear your best retort. And yet even after the witchhunt/impeachment (conviction according to Belgian) he left with > 50% approval and left a 236B surplus, balanced the budget and stopped 12 years of 250B/yr average debt increase. Wow, don't you hate poor images? Shows you how image-stupid Americans are. Look at fascist Ronny's image as he lefft, he was a God image wise. Now we see his disaster, so do what you wish with your image argument. So raising tax top brkt 9% wasn't a big deal under CLinton? And they will return and live on in a few months; is that doing nothing? College tax credits, HIPPA, 6 million new jobs created under 1st 2 years of Clinton - 22M in all 8 years, largest econmic expansion in US history, poverty drop and on and on and on. http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/additional.html Tell us about Bushy, oh please, please, please. And you were saying Clinton got less done? Hmmm, love to hear your idea of what getting a lot done, could it be getting a lot of debt created from a great economy? Nice......

Holly crap airdvr, love the reference. How can I avoid a comprehenisve answer with such a great lot of info? With you usual nothing info, all I can infer is that he is referring to < 250 AGI keeping the Bush tax cuts, therest will revert to Clinton era 40% top brkt. If you decide to write a cogent thread, LMK and I will be glad to answer.

Yea, I watched him say that too, what in idiot. It's a felony here in AZ for ANY qty, don't known about Cali.