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I have to agree. Skip Justine. Sade actualy disowned the book. He was pushed into spiceing it up by the publisher. He had been working on the story and you can still see heart of the original story in it. The book is still shocking today and was almost criminal in the early 1800's. The debauchery becomes repedative and almost boaring. The real heart of the book lies in a series of conversations Justine has with the other carictors. By the time your half way through it you'll start skimming through the chapters looking for the next debate on ethics. Check out some of his other works insted. If you send me a copy of what your working on I'll give you an opionion. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

All these sky divers and no one has suggested "West With the Night"? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Call John Storrie of Storrie Parachute Works. The Best class three dealer for all your automatic weapon needs. He will fix you up with a fully automatic silanced rifle that will elemonate all trace of the pest. Well there may be some blood and bits of fur. He can also supply you with a night vision scope and appropreate ninja wear for this mission. Call John Storrie, Some guy in Texas. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

That's Thanks Giving. That was the day we celebrated betraying all the aberriginal americans, stealing there land, and slautering them. We held a feast to celabate it and continue the tradition to this day. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

im spending the fourth of july on a battlefeild in the middle of the desert.... count your blessings Hay at least you still get to see the fire works. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

We're here at Skydive Dallas. One of the biggest dropzones in Texes. We've got two Twin Otters a Cairavan and a 182. The weather is beautifull. AND THE DROPZONE IS CLOSED ON THE 4th OF JULY! WTF? Does any one else know of a drop zone that is closed on the 4th of July? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Congrats. You now qualify to buy our t-shirts. You can now check off the last block on the list. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I understand that the world is held up by a Turtle and so is that one. In fact it's Turtles all the way down... Now be fair. Don't froget about the elefants. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Yuri, I'm going to pass the ball on this. Jimmy was part of Chads groop. I was just kind of a naibor. We were at times hikeing togather and jumping the same cliffs but I don't think I ever made a jump with Jimmy. I never jumped that exit point. I did not personaly see the accedent. I was not involved directly in the body recovery or any investigation. I don't think you'll find any surprises when you look at it. Still I think Chad and the people that were on the jump with him should have the opertunity to present a formal statement before I cloud the air with any of my speculations. Contact Chad/Dexterbase or one of the other wing suit jumpers that were on that load with him and see if they will write up a description of the exit point and the accedent. Although jimmy's death is what got me thinking about all this I do not beleave that the boots he was wearing or the gear was the root cause of this accedent. Ask Chad for the details of the suit, rig, boots, expereance with them, etc. But I saw the body and he was not wearing a heavy double boot. He'd made other jumps there with the same configuration. I was talking to one of the frogs that's a rather experanced wing suit flyer. They've seen things like this where some one does well till they get to a lower cliff or one with a ledge. Then they are stressed, try too hard and mush in a stall. He sold me on this idea and I beleave that is what happened here. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

This surprises me. It's hard for me to imagion one of the old silk rounds opening in that way from that altitude. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg? Wait do I feel a tug? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Damn. somebody totaly beat me to it. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

One last try and then I'm giveing up. Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Ok I give up. I don't know whats wrong. I suck at computers. I'm thinking a black shirt with white print. Block letters front: ROCK CLIMBING IS DANGEROUS MAKE RAPPELING SAFER... back: BUY A BASE RIG You get the idea at least. Come on wont one of you at least represent? Some body needs to wear this in the valley. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I'll try again on the picture. I don't get it it was working for a while. But as I was saying if you want this t-shirt printed you must all sppek up now. I need ammo for my argument with Tom. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

There were a bunch of norwegion climbers on the wall when I got there. one of them was a skydiver and I kept threatening to death camp his ass when he got to the top. There were also a number of other climber/jumpers there this year. There seems to be a lot of cross over happening. I'd like to print this t-shirt but Tom of course thinks it's stupid. If you would like to see this, or want one speek now or forever hold your peace. I need backing to talk Tom into this. Any body got the balls to wear this in the valley? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

I'm coppying this question from another web site. I'd like to get a wider range of oppionions. I'm going to put this here as I think it might have shown it self in a base inviroment more then when people are skydiveing feel free to move it if you think fit. Wing suit CG question? « on: June 21, 2007, 11:11:38 AM » Quote Modify Remove -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First off,not that I exspect any one to have noticed much less care, I'd like to state that I am back from my trip with all my fingers and all my toes. I've had a lot of time to sit around in a tent and dwell on the accedent up there this year. I'd like to toss out some questions and see what other peoples opionions are. I'm not saying that any of this was the root cause of the accedent but it was what got me really thinking about it. Every one up there was of course jumping down with at least some gear. they were also wearing diffrent cloathing and boots then they were used to. By my standards every one includeing my self was jumping very light. With so many people around I felt no nead to carry as much shit as I normally have with me. I was really kicking my self for not bringing a second smaller rig. As light as these people were they were really noticeing a diffrence in their track. All of these people were jumping tracking pants and wing suits. Being "necked" or worse all the time it wasn't quite as noticeable for me. I need to get a bit more hi tec with this. With gear stuffed into any avalobaly pocket they were noticeing a real diffrence in tracking and body position includeing built in turns. People also commented on there Koflocks and seemed to have trouble tracking with them. Things I noticed. In skydiveing with my javelin I tend to track with my knees just slightly bent. I just can't seem to cup my upper body enough to avoid diveing. With my Kofocks on I can fully extend my legs. Same thing with my wing suit. An old original classic. Really punched out with the rear leg spread I feel like I'm diveing. I find that I again need to bend my knees just a bit. With the boots it ballances much nicer. It's like the upper wing is a bit small. What got me thinking was Jimmys accedent. Aparently he never got flying. I was wondering if any of this contributed to his diffaculty. The weight of his boots and the ballance of the wings on his suit. Now as it happens that he was NOT wearing double boot but that's what got me thinking about this. I was talking to one of the frogs and they've seen issues like this. He felt Jimmy was just trying too hard got too flat and mushed in a stall. He sold me on that idea but I'm still interested in your thoughts on wing ballance between diffrent designes and cg issues with boots and gear. Lee Report to moderator 24.117.211.238 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com The funniest T-shirts, finest skydiving accessories, and scariest BASE shit available. nicknitro71 I'm the asshole in charge here! Tom Aiello wonnabe Karma: 2 [applaud] [smite] Offline Gender: Posts: 253 Re: Wing suit CG question? « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 12:11:19 PM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First, it’s really hard if not impossible to identify the CG of a wingsuit coupled with a pilot because it varies with body position, i.e. every small movement of any body part moves the CG. When designing a wingsuit rather than the CG, the balance between leg and arm wings has to be found. A suit with large arm wings and small leg wing will be inheritably “floaty” and possibly unstable with little forward speed, vice versa for a suit with big leg wing and small arm wings. However we fly a flexible frame so certain characteristics of a suit can be masked by changing our body position. Also what works for my body type might not work for somebody else’s body type. Even if two pilots have the same height and the same weight chances are their legs, torso, and arms won’t measure the same. Also their mass distribution won’t be the same. As for the boots instance…I do not believe the weight of the boots has nothing to do with this incident. Many people found that flying many wingsuit with boots actually improve the performance. While this is true for some suits, it has nothing to do with shifting the CG aft! On most suits the leg wing can be tensioned better while wearing boots so better leg wing tension equals better performance. If you do not believe it then find out the weight difference between your boots and your sneakers and wear ankle weights to compensate for this difference while wearing your sneakers. Chances are the performance is going to be better with the boots on, not with the sneakers with ankle weights. Being aware of this problem when I designed the leg wigs of our suits I made the booties in such matter that in order to correctly tension the leg wing forces must be applied towards the outside rather than down. On all our wingsuits the toes and knees should be pointing outwards (sideways). I know many people use wingsuits with sneakers in a skydiving contest and heavy boots in a BASE contest hence the reason for such design including the adjustable booties. In contrast on my old Skyflier 3 performance was better with boots on and the booties acted like “gas pedals” “press down for speed”. This does not apply to our wingsuits; you must push out your toes and knees for speed. Report to moderator Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Memento Audere Semper BASE 903 krisflyz Please help me! Karma: 0 [applaud] [smite] Offline Posts: 11 Re: Wing suit CG question? « Reply #2 on: June 23, 2007, 10:40:04 AM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agree with what Nick said and would like to add the following... The toes cannot be pointed when wearing boots and if the suit legwing goes all the way to the floor as seen in the attached picture, it creates loads of legwing(trailing edge) camber. WS BASE Exits =========== Johnny Utah was at the exit point when I did my first WS BASE jump and he said this... "You will go a bit headlow, don't fight it". I was shitting myself so didn't hear a thing but its on the video. From the second second, A little bit headlow is lot better than headhigh or flat. Trying to remain flat too long after exit causes burning up too much altiitude to get the flight started. I have seen this on WS BASE exits...forward movement in a big wingsuit taking 4-5 secs to start. Kris. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BootieV2.JPG (42.45 KB, 648x486 - viewed 3 times.) Report to moderator Logged RiggerLee Please help me! Karma: 0 Online Posts: 10 Re: Wing suit CG question? « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 01:42:34 PM » Quote Modify Remove -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the boot question. I was just unpacking and I weighed my boots. my shoes are 1 lb 12 5/8 oz. My Koflacks are 6 lb 5 1/4 oz. It's a pretty big diffrence. Now Jimmy was wearing a light weight single boot and I think that was really just a case of some one trying too hard to fly fast. Lee Report to moderator 24.117.65.244 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com The funniest T-shirts, finest skydiving accessories, and scariest BASE shit available. krisflyz Please help me! Karma: 0 [applaud] [smite] Offline Posts: 11 Re: Wing suit CG question? « Reply #4 on: Today at 06:50:51 AM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: RiggerLee on June 23, 2007, 01:42:34 PM On the boot question. I was just unpacking and I weighed my boots. my shoes are 1 lb 12 5/8 oz. My Koflacks are 6 lb 5 1/4 oz. It's a pretty big diffrence. Lee That is a substantial difference in weight. It will move the CG a little bit. I did some approximations and calculated that the difference in CG for me(44 inch legs(approximated as a cone) and 30.5 inch rest(approximated as a rectangular block of same dimensions as the waist) the CG will approximately move 1 inch back with 5 lb weights added to the ankles. Will moving the CG back help L/D? Or is that related to where the center of lift is located as well? Kris. Report to moderator Logged RiggerLee Please help me! Karma: 0 Online Posts: 10 Re: Wing suit CG question? « Reply #5 on: Today at 11:19:41 AM » Quote Modify Remove -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think of it as more of a moment issue. the boots are probbable 30 in behind the cg. that's a pretty good lever arm. Put a 5 lb weight on the end of a 3 ft broom stick and try to hold it horizontal by the other end. If your in ballance before then thats the amount of moment that you have to over come to remain in ballance. I find it to be noticeable. With my old original bird sute I can really extend and streatch out my legs. I find that it flyes much better for me. As another example. Back when we first got the early bird suits around here one of the best and fastest flyers was Howey. This kind of surprised us all as he was kind of a tubby guy. I'm thinking the better proformance that he was showing might have been from the fact that his cg was a bit lower. Women tend to have wider hips and less upper body muscular development. There cg tends to be lower. I wonder if that might be why some of them fly so well? I'm curious what your thoughts might be on how this might relate to diffrent wing suite designs that have differing sizes of wing and how they seem to ballance. Lee Report to moderator 24.117.65.244 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com The funniest T-shirts, finest skydiving accessories, and scariest BASE shit available. 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Thinking back to the size of a pod I can't help but think that you may find that it is still tight even in that container. You'd be better off with a RW PC. I don't know the shape of the bag your putting it in. You may find that it wants to pack up long. Most bags are short and wide. The old pods were long and let you make fewer folds. You might almost be better off russion rigging it and s folding it into the bag sidewase to take advantage of the width of the bag. Can you just s-fold the sleave in the container side to side? Most PC's were packed in sleaves and even with the slumping issues seamed to stage better out of the sleaves then out of pods or bags. I don't see why you would want to go with a ripcord unless you just want to go old school in which case you might just stick with a conventional rig. Try to find or build a large pilot chute. you've got a lot of weight there. Oh and you'll need a rappid link or something on the inside of the bag for the briadle to pull aganst. You'll have to stow the crown lines on the inside of the bag to keep them neat. The other choice would be to open up the hole in the top of the bag. A soft edge hole or a big #8 grommit. That way you could eather stow the crown lines on the out side of the bag. You could let them unstow during the early stages of the deployment or stow them on a flap like on a sleave that would take the load of the pilot shoot and let the crown unstow as the bag strips. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

A shot gun is a really good choice. Nothing is more versitile. pistol grip and folding stock shot guns are legal in Canada. act what I have caried in the past. Canada is in some cases more rational about these things then the US. They have a baral length requirement of 18.5 in. and an over all length requirement if it is fireable. A take down shot gun is ok becouse it can no be fired. I think any thing with a folding stock would meet the requirement. There are some good hot loaded big game slugs that do ok. Ordenary slugs suck. They do not penatrate well enough. I've done some research as well. I wanted something with a lot of power and I wanted something better then a shot gun slug. I wanted a good jacketed bullet that would punch through bone and get deep. An expander that would mushroom with out breaking up and loseing mass. That's a tall order for just a chunk of lead which is all a slug is. Most slugs lack the sectional density to punch deep. The 50 Alaskan fires a 450 gr bullet. It's as heavy as a ordinary slug. It moves at over 2000 ft/sec and it's a good dense soft point bullet with a heavy jacket. That was what I wanted. Marlin builds good guns. This one is a custom rebuild from Alaska, see link in earlier post. The 457 is their baby. It's just a step above a wildcat. Starline builds brass. There are a couple of people selling loaded ammo. Unless you want to get a big thumper in 50 Alaskan, you don't need that, then get a gun in 45/70 or 450 marlin. There is good hot 45/70+p out there that you can get off the shelf. Don't bother with the old pussy stuff. 45/70 gov. was a black pouder round originaly and is low presure. 450 is nice but in the end it isn't any better then hot 45/70. In the end it's just more exspencive and harder to find. The brass in nicer and I think tougher. There is actualy a bit less case volume. By the way now that I have my gun Marlin has anounced that they are going to start selling the same take down rifle for 1/3 the price. Such is life. I recamend you call Wild West Guns in Alaska and get one of his trigers. The ejector and big lever are also worth the money. Oh, and magnaporting is so worth it. I have one in 450 Marlin. The new one is ported. It really stops the muzzel rise. I was sighting it in on a bench rest. The diffrence was obveous. The new one is neutral. The old one would jump up out of the rest with out the second hand to hold it down. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

The standard minemum equipment list for a trip like this is a little diffrent from normal jumps. It incudes things like: Crampons ice axe liquid fuel stove bivi gear rope bolt kit and a jumpable gun with some ass. This is a base thread. I've had conversations with Chad and others over the years about how to jump gear down and this is one of the larger hurdles. Restricted fire arms, I think that what they call it, are a pain. There are a few reasons why they will let an American bring a hand gun in. An established compatention, etc. Very restrictive. Where will it be stored, what route will it take, etc. Big hassle. There is no way they would just let you wonder around with a good hand canon. A manual gun like that lever action is relatively easy to get in if you are headed up to the wilds. There are provisions spicificly for that. The statistics he is quoteing make my point for me. If I need to kill some one. I want my gun with me. It's much safer to cap some one with a gun then to get close enough to use a knife. Those numbers simple show that you do not have an adaquite number of fire arms in your country and that they are not easly enough accessable. Go to our web site and look at the humorous T-shirts. I think you'll get my point. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

For all practical perpouses the are no hand guns in Canada. Actualy it's all our fault here in the US. Remember we shipped most of our pinko hippy passafist north of the boarder back in the 60's. The have been breading and multipling up there. Now their spawn have taken over the goverment. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Not a silly question. There are in fact lever action shot guns. Or there were at one time. http://iacshotguns.com/87w.html This is a Rifle. It's built off a Marlin. An 1895xlr to be specefic. That's a dime by the muzel. It's 45 cal. chambered in 457 see link. Not the most powerful cartrage around but it's a take down and cheeper then some of the bolt action take down that were out there. The 50 alaskan has a good bit more ass but it wasn't going to be ready in time. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

They are pricey. They are Slow. But they do good work. http://www.wildwestguns.com/CoPilot_And_Guide_Rifles/body_copilot_and_guide_rifles.html Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

New Bang stick is in. Bad news is the 50 cal barral was not ready in time. Jease you'd think 8 months would be enough lead time. They had to ship it with a 457. It's a slightly longer version of a 45-70. The brass is thicker and allows it to be loaded hotter. It will be a lot nicer to jump with. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

But... but... we were just getting ready to buy a banner ad. The pictures are taken we're just waiting for the photagrapher to burn them to disk. It's gona be a cool ad. Where is every one? Hello... Is there any body out there? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com

Eloquent? Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com