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Regarding point A) By getting his Wanker polished in the Oval Office, sorry... that pretty much took it out of the realm of PRIVATE life. That office is not his private bedroom and he may NOT do w/ it as he wishes. Also, sorry, but as POTUS, his private life just isn't as "private" as most people. It comes w/ the territory folks. True, he SHOULD be allowed a private life, but I sure as shit don't want a president who is so ineptly stupid as he was to have done something like that. (We won't even begin to discuss what I feel about GWB... he's not my favorites either) Point B... Hard to argue w/ that Bill. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Well, this IS SC, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm kneee-deep in reading about headspacing right now, Go, No-Go, Field, etc. It's all very interesting stuff. The AR is a very interesting design, w/ the spent gas from the round used to recharge the system, etc. Fascinating! Bill and StreetScoob: I'm really looking forward to it... my son and I are gonna do it together, although he will be doing more watching and less doing. I definitely don't want guns to be a "mystified" thing for the kids, but I also want a healthy respect to be learned as well. I'll post pics when I start acquiring parts!

Other than confirming to the world that we're rather prudish, some in this country still believe in things like dignity, respect, faithfulness, honesty, oh, little things like that no damage was done to the country. It did stop any progress in the last couple years, but 1) some would see that as good and 2) with the GOP in Congress, unlikely to make any headway regardless. Skydekker - he did suffer legal sactions by his state bar for the perjury, even if Congress wasn't going to make him the first President ever convicted. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

I'm speaking of the Oval Office figuratively for Heaven's sake. And it is NOT silly to refer to children. He sat in the chair of the President of the United States and, AS President. defiled that office w/ his behavior. Then he lied about it. You think I'm silly. I think you have your head in the sand. Nice to know the office of the presidency means so very little to you bill. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

This really isn't meant to be a debate thread, but since it has to do w/ GUNS I guess it should be here in SC... I'm thinking of building an AR-15... this is, in part, inspired from a discussion I had w/ John Rich and Warpedskydiver who both recommended such platforms for controlling coyotes and other predators on my farm. I've been doing a lot of research into it lately and it seems pretty doable. Evidentally it's something that many, many people do, as it's quite simple and requires little by way of special tools or experience and one is able to really keep cost down this way. There are tons of manufacturers and resources out there... one fabulous place to get a plethora of info is ar15.com. That place is like crack for a gun nut. Anyone else built one from parts before? If you like, post pics! If this isn't your bag and you're anti-gun, try to just stay away or at least not make this into a contentious, shit-stirring thread, ok? Pretty please? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Did he lie under oath? Yes or no? I'm glad you hold such a high opinion of the highest office in the land. And you're grossly oversimplifying the actions of former President Clinton. That's avoiding the issue. The question really should be, to stay on point here, was Clinton's behavior damaging to this country? How do you explain this to children, this dishonoring of the Oval Office? Natural? Hardly. Common, yes. EXCUSABLE? Not on your fucking life. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Good luck to you and your fiance!!! Have a great wedding and honeymoon!!!

Well there's the thing. SOME evidence puts you fairly in the belief category, faith is no longer necessary. In romantic relationships, you usually get something for your investment. But with god all you get is they guy who ignores you when you pray to him. Loving a woman who is real and in front of you, who responds to you is a hell of a lot easier (and much more fun) than an unresponsive entity that is indistinguishable from it's non-existence. That would be a bit like pushing boulders uphill. It really does take faith to believe in god and when the payoff is essentially zero, I can't see the point. You obviously disagree and I'm gald you do, the debate is good for the old grey matter. Have a good one. Well, we do disagree, b/c EXPERIENTIALLY the payoff has been FAR from zero in my own life and my wife's life (whoops, almost typed "wives" life, which would have made me a polygamistic mormon! LOL!!) The leap of faith isn't as far of a jump as you make it out to be... It's scary if you haven't made it, but for me it's like leaving the plane for the first time. Terrifying until you actually let go... then, you're in freefall and the fear is gone and peace ensues. It's breathtaking in the same sense to be in the Providence of God. And it is truly experiential as well. You can really sense it. And no I'm not psychotic. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Paying to clean up the mess is different from creating the mess in the first place. This is Bush's war. You're saying that all of those votes are just to clean up Bush's fuck up? It cost a whole lot less to continue the embargo and enforce the no-fly zones than the $trillion or so in treasure and 2656 dead American boys that Bush's incompetence has cost us. I notice you didn't answer the question. Yes I did. You just misinterpreted what I wrote. How is that answering the question? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

He didn't perjure himself. Show me the conviction and I will gladly give you that point. I have my thoughts on adultery, but that is neither here nor there. I don't see how this relates back to his job. Did him getting a blowjob affect his job performance? many men use/abuse their "power" to get women to sleep with them. Cops, firefighters, soldiers, business men. Many women tend to be attracted to power, just look at how many women on these forums start salivating when uniforms are mentioned. Do you think they should all explain themselves in front of cameras and all the world to see? Do you think they should all be removed from their positions? Did he lie under oath? That's perjury. IMO, his CHARACTER affects his job performance, the kind of CHARACTER that would take advantage of an intern and use his OFFICE (oval and position) to get a blow job, affects the kind of president he would be and was. As for your last paragraph, just b/c many man ABUSE their power doesn't make it right. Does it? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Awe, that's killer! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

This, my friends, is what you call the POTT!* *Post Of The Thread I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

I don't see it as right or wrong, I see it as non of anybodies business. It doesn't relate back to his job. As a matter of fact, I would think that all the attention on a blowjob took away from his ability to effectively carry out his job. REALLY? A form of adultery isn't seen by you as either right or wrong? Abusing his power AND his office isn't seen by you as being right or wrong? And you don't see how this relates back to his JOB? He's willing to take advantage of a much younger intern and you don't see how that relates back to his job, a man who at the time was the most powerful man in the world? How 'bout the perjury? Was that also neither right or wrong? The investigation may HAVE affected his ability to carry out his job... I don't know... but he brought it on himself. To blame it on anyone else is just shirking responsibility. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

I'm not the target of that question, but this being SC, I'll answer anyway. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if he got a hummer from a paid male prostitude in Air Force 1 while flying to see the Pope. And not from an intern in the oval office, either. Those are places. They are not changed by what happens in them. Lawrocket has some good points about coercion in superior/inferior relationships in professional situations that are pertinent. That's a separate issue, and is well worth considering. Wendy W. No the place isn't changed Wendy. That wasn't my point in asking the question. But is that the behavior you want YOUR president to be engaging in, in the Office wherein he needs to be doing the business of the country? You honestly wouldn't give a "fuck" if he was getting a blow job from a hooker on Air Force One? Wow. Just.... wow. Yes, Lawrocket's points are quite salient. And they were behind my question... they are tied into the LOCATION of the act. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Did you see that thread I started the other day about the restored DC-4 that flew over my house? It was one that actually flew in the Berlin Airlift. Gave me goosebumps watching it lumber through the sky. thread here --> http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2415311;search_string=rare%20aircraft%20sighting;#2415311 I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

It seems that someone might be missing the forest for the trees. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Yes, moobies are not welcome...ever. aw, my feelings are hurt, duckie! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Of course not. They're toilet paper. I was wondering who'd go there first.... Not surprised at all that it was you! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

LOL!!! Yes, yes you do!

He's the one that chose to spin it by using the term "sexual relations" instead of just coming () clean and fessing up. As to your second point, if you think he shouldn't have been asked that in the first place, do you think it was right for him to be getting a hummer in the oval office? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

My cleaning lady threw out my last Parachutist last month, because it was on the floor in the bathroom. I had to ask my doorman to translate for her that "magazines on the floor of the bathroom are not garbage." LOL!!! Although some on here would argue that point regarding that PARTICULAR publication *cough* jumper03 *cough* I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Where do you think I'm typing this from? BAH!!!! Me, I'm a speeder... the less time on the crapper the better... but when I'm stuffed up and the trucks are crowdin the gate so to speak, of course I'm gonna read... what else am I supposed to do? What's funny is you always know when you're at a skydiver's house... At Chuck and Katies and at Lee and Brandy's, there bathrooms had lots of Parachutist mags to peruse during the laying of logs. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Well, the "authorities" who saw the film state that he was not abusing the ray. So, show THAT part of the film to put that to rest, if it's possible to show only that and not his death, which I'm thinking was not immediately after the stabbing (I'm guessing it wasn't w/i 1-2 seconds, which could be edited out therefore). I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

To know requires proof, to believe requires evidence, to have faith requires neither. If I have proof or evidence then my belief is justified. If I have neither, then belief is not justified and you'd need faith. I'll trust nothing to faith because it's a gamble and the odds suck. At a fundamental level, all of the things you mentioned will have either proof or evidence attached to them on some level. God on the other hand has no such evidence. Religious faith and the other things you mention are very different animals. All the things I mentioned have SOME proof or SOME evidence but there is still SOME risk involved! Especially in romantic relationships (and a relationship w/ God has often been described that way), you will always have to put your heart out there and risk it being hurt, b/c you don't know what the other person is going to do w/ your heart! THAT is FAITH! If you aren't willing to do that, then you aren't willing to LOVE. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...