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AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Issuing qualified statements is also known as professionalism. I very much doubt that you have ever told a client that you could 100% guarantee a legal outcome. And that's in a field where all the rules are already known and written down! I'm a structural engineer, a field most lay people think of as pretty cut and dried. I never make unqualified statements. There are always (!) caveats, assumptions, and limitations. There are some cases where I'm 99.999% sure that a component will not fail. Even then I must make it clear that my analysis is not a perfect representation of reality, and shit happens. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
So you just changed all the positive words to negative words. So clever. How can you justify changing "has been linked to" to "cannot be attributed as a causitive agent" and keep a straight face? Let me guess, you're going to say, "Correlation does not imply causation." Well that's true. But do you think medical journals publish papers that don't show statistically significant results? Or is Al Gore's influence so broad that he's corrupted medical science, too? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Jesus, it's hard to have a conversation when you won't read and reply. I admit I can't prove that all the damage predicted from climate change will happen. That's predicting the future, and no one can do that. I'm also trying to point out that you can't prove all the economic damage from environmental policies will happen. Yeah, snide comment like that show that your horse is just as high, if not higher. I do deny it. So there. Just like I'm waiting on your better numbers. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Thanks for the reply. Can you comment on my main point, restated a number of times now, that you are presuming disasterous effects of climate change policies, with no supporting evidence? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Great! So why are EPA regulations such a crushing burden? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Huh? You said you don't believe bilvon's numbers. What numbers do you believe? Do you have no numbers, but you dismiss his because they don't seem real? You can't demand evidence and then dismiss that evidence only because it doesn't fit your worldview. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
You can help with that. Do you have any response to my point? - Dan G -
Nice job draging yourself down to funjumper's level. - Dan G
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AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Do emissions from power plants cause any ill effects to people or the environment? If so, what estimates do you think are accurate? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
As expected, no reply. You never disappoint. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
As usual you have completely missed the point. I'm not sure if it's intentional, but either way you clearly don't get it. Allow me to simplify: This thread started with lawrocket saying (paraphrased): I'll only believe climate change is real when I see some obvious signs that it is hapening, like people dying in the streets. Until then, I'll believe that any efforts to address climate change are foolish and overly costly. I responded by saying (slightly tongue in cheek, and again paraphrased): I'll only believe that efforts to address climate change are as bad as you predict when I see some evidence, like people dying in the streets. I asked him, and others like rushmc and now you, to explain why the first position is any more reasonable than the second. I should also note for the copmprehension impaired, that my statement is not how I really think, but rather a rhetorical tool. I await your completely off topic response. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
I'd be glad to, stud. Of course climate change policies have a cost. What I deny is the idea that whatever cost is automatically too high. I also have taken no specific position about the efficacy of those policies. I think many of them would be effective, especially reducing coal plant emmissions and increasing vehicle efficiency. But it's hard to show efficacy when deniers like you won't admit that any environmental policies from the past had any efficacy. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Apparently you don't understand what the grown ups are talking about. - Dan G -
I suppose he could work to change the definition of IQ scores, otherwise I'm not sure what you think kallend should do. - Dan G
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I thought you were against personal attacks. - Dan G
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AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
No, I'm implying EPA regulations are how our government's response to climate change are implemented, at least in part. We're talking about the cost of responding to climate change, while lawrocket and rush think will lead to economic ruin and countless deaths. - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
If your point is that change hurts some people while benefitting others, I can't help but agree. But that's a trivial statement. It is obvious on its face, so how does that advance the discussion? What's your point? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
I don't know what you're replying to. It would help if you could use the reply function. I wasn't asking you for examples of people who the "climate change alarmists" say will be hurt by climate change. I asked for examples of people who have been hurt by the government response to climate change. Essentially I'm accusing you of being an "alarmist" for the detrimental effects of government response. Just like you'll only believe in climate change if you're shown evidence, I'll only be convinced that the response is as bad as you say when you can show me evidence. Is that more clear? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
So no substantive reply? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
Weak attempt at a redirect. It makes no sense. What has Obama been doing? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
So your proof of the horrors of EPA regulations is, "trust me," yet you don't consider the mountains of evidence for climate change to be convincing? - Dan G -
AGW - Evidence that will Convince me of the danger
DanG replied to lawrocket's topic in Speakers Corner
I don't see anyone (except the strawman hippie liberal idiot that seems to populate every conservative's imagination) advocating a sudden end to fossil fuels before other sources are online. Can you give me some concrete examples of where fossil fuels have been, or will be soon, cut off leaving people without power? This thread started with your demand for evidence of global climate change. I'd like to see some evidence of the post-apocalyptic wasteland you're describing. Maybe a good data point would be 10% of people in the industrialized world going without power. If that happens in the next five years, I'll believe that the proposed solutions to climate change are really as bad as you say. - Dan G -
It is possible in your world for a cop to do wrong? - Dan G
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"Harvard Economist: Lefties Earn Less Than Righties"
DanG replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
Do you feel left out? That just aint right. Sinister, in fact. - Dan G -
"Harvard Economist: Lefties Earn Less Than Righties"
DanG replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
I was born a rightie, now I'm a leftie. I make a lot more money now compared to when I was young. I attribute it entirely to my changing dominant hands. - Dan G