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    Show me one culture where what they define is murder is acceptable? Murders are carried out every day ... Yes, they are and every culture deplores them. no culture thinks murders are good. Governments have authorized killing, but to make it pallatable to their culture which deplores murder they call it war, justice, or make the object of their murder subhuman.(slaves, Indians, Jews, Americans, etc) steveOrino
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    Actually my theory (not argument) is: There are universal morals To me that logicaly points to a universal creator of morals. steveOrino
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    I'm not looking for a victory. I'm looking for an intelligent debate. EDITED TO ADD: Heck, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I simply like a good exchange of thoughts and ideas. IMHO When you try to "keep score" you lose. steveOrino
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    I'm not trying to REdefine any word, but hopefully come to a common understanding of what MURDER is (it is not war, it is not capital punishment, etc) . In fact the only way cultures approve of murder is to redefine it. (Jews are subhuman, NA and slaves are subhuman) steveOrino
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    You need to educate yourself more on the subject of sacrifices. Many sacrifice rituals are not of enemy soldiers, but of their own people. So are you going to change your definition of murder and call that suicide then? God likes suicides? I said it fell into the category of religion. People can justify killing in the name of religion (burning witches, blowing up children, sacrificing virgins) but those same society DON'T tolerate the indescriminant killing among themsleves; something they as a culture would define as murder. steveOrino
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    When your culture redefines what a human is you can commit autrocities such as genecide Native Americans and Slavery (Africans) While these terrible things happened the culture as a whole, never accepted murder as okay -- You may kill your slave or an Indian, (things considered less than human are okay to kill -- a WHOLE different debate) but society never viewed murder as acceptable. I answered the human sacrifice question -- blood fueds are considered part of justice like capital punishment -- different than murder. Even headhunters don't murder their own indescremently -- their act would fall more into the concept of war. steveOrino
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    No, I meant amoral (without morals) Has there been a culture w/o morals? No even cultures that practiced human sacrifice thought murder was wrong. Their human sacrifice was part of their religion. Culturally they still abhored murder. Similar to our capital punishment debate USA did commit genecide, but as culture we never thought murder was right. We redefined murder ala genecide as war against the Indians. steveOrino
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    Has there been a complete culture were murder was accepted as being amoral? steveOrino
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    To me, certain morals are universal. I gave but one example. There are others. Yes, many moral codes change and are cultural, but there are codes that transcend cultures. How is that possible? I guess to me it makes sense that certain moral codes are universal because they were ingrained in us by God. steveOrino
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    Murder (not war, not capital punishment, etc) is universally accepted as being immoral. steveOrino
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    Certain moral codes are universal. Does this imply a supreme being? Try and explain your response if possible. steveOrino
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    Bwaaaahaaa! I guess my wife has been faking! steveOrino
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    Do atheists believe in skygods? steveOrino
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    Guess I'm a newb then. I seldom notice the cold in freefall ... canopy yeah, freefall, nah. steveOrino
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    oh, me! Oh, me! steveOrino
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    I'm not sure why you think that? Is atheism the belief in only the physical or is it the denial of God? steveOrino
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    Imagine that! I can see the pharisees picking up rocks to stone me now. steveOrino
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    Actually I think the world and other creative things do exalt Godin the way they can, by being how they were made. Do you believe that method of worship is insufficient for humans? If so, why? Blues, Dave Nope, but I do believe that being true to ourselves constitutes giving worth to our creator. steveOrino
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    deleted: accidental double post steveOrino
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    With Baileys.
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    I'm not dissagreeing necessarily, but I wonder why you said that. As I look at the chain of increasingly complex beings, I see no relationships in which a "higher" lifeform expects the worship of a "lower" lifeform. I don't expect my dogs, cats, house spiders, or the field mice under my house to worship me. I also see no reason to believe that the chain of increasingly complex lifeforms stops with us, therefore on a more likely than not basis, there are likely more complex beings than us, and they likely don't expect our worship. Logic suggests that an established, repeating pattern will continue to repeat itself, and I can think of no reason that the attributes of that cycle should suddenly change as it gets beyond humans. If higher lifeforms DO expect our adoration, I would consider that an undesirable trait akin to arrogance or egotism. Blues, Dave But did we CREATE those lower LIFE forms? Doesn't your logic fall apart there? Not being argumentive, just thinking outloud.
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    I'm not dissagreeing necessarily, but I wonder why you said that. steveOrino
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    I'm trying! Honest I am!
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    Well, I have endured religion where people say one thing but act totally in another way and still call themselves the Church. If anything would make me disbelieve I would think that would. But my understanding of God teaches me that his followers are very imperfect people. (one thing that makes the Bible stand out differently than most religous books is how it portrays it's heroes, warts and all) I've come to realize that God has many the Church doesn't have, and the Church has many that God doesn't have.
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    I agree many religions teach or influence their followers to stop thinking critically. I reject the over generalization that all religion does the same. steveOrino