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Remember people, this is how it starts when Marc posts. Begins with some easily recognized lies that you respond to. Then the downward spiral into vitriol. Yall know what to do. There are other possibilities: 1. Electric Shocks Can Cause Neurologic And Neuropsychological Symptoms Researchers have shown that an electric shock ranging from 120 to 52,000 volts can cause neurologic and neuropsychological symptoms in humans. Following an electrical injury, some patients may show various emotional and behavioral aftereffects, such as memory loss and symptoms of depression. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515113311.htm 2. An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits 1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome 2. Social dominance orientation 3. Prejudice 4. Intergroup contact 5. Relative deprivation https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits I didn't know that Dr Phil came to Speakers Corner to make veiled PA's Shame, shame. Hardly a PA. Its been well established by study after study. That brain cancers and other severe health risks arise to linemen, electricians. That have worked with high voltage electricity. As to the second part of my response. When logic and reason seem to be separated from a person's behaviors and conduct. There are usually underlying psychological reasons for that. Its hardly a PA to logically understand deep rooted biases to rational public inclinations and dialog. Even dem's have psychological profiles that tend to drive their understanding and thinking. To unjustly suggest that science is a PA. Suggests instead an attempt at deflection, throwing static into the debate. Or most likely throwing mud into the debate. Hoping it sticks with similarly inclined trump supporters. Shame, shame.
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Remember people, this is how it starts when Marc posts. Begins with some easily recognized lies that you respond to. Then the downward spiral into vitriol. Yall know what to do. There are other possibilities: 1. Electric Shocks Can Cause Neurologic And Neuropsychological Symptoms Researchers have shown that an electric shock ranging from 120 to 52,000 volts can cause neurologic and neuropsychological symptoms in humans. Following an electrical injury, some patients may show various emotional and behavioral aftereffects, such as memory loss and symptoms of depression. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515113311.htm 2. An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits 1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome 2. Social dominance orientation 3. Prejudice 4. Intergroup contact 5. Relative deprivation https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits
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And another victory for the Maestro. More to come [3 areas of expansion @ Gitmo] [Clinton Foundation] >Military Tribunals [?]< 65K+ sealed indictments across the nation >Enjoy the show< >Trust the Plan< "It's Christmas time in the city Ding a ling, hear them sing" >Panic in DC< Its a secret blessing from god. A message sent to America to punish it for its support of trump. Almost every poll ranking important issues in the midterms. Had healthcare and preexisting conditions as number one. The republican senate refused to overturn the law in a vote. Thus this ruling will be overturned. It was passed into law and voted on twice in the senate. This decision was to direct the old white men of the republican party. To keep them on their suicide course along with trump. That will ultimately send them to "Banishment in the Desert". Where they will live on only bread and water. trump of course will get his bread and water in his prison cell. Together with his crime family. Which by the way now seems to have included Ivanka in the "inauguration spending fraud". Merry Christmas Ron.
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The night of the long knives is coming. Soon the republican guard will turn on its upstart leader, trump. It needs the Mueller report. It needs to feel and hear the damage inflicted upon the trump base. From democrat house hearings, public court filings from the SDNY and from indictments of underlings.
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Thereby proving your first post entirely false. Maybe to you as you are handicapped by the rules of logic. The only rules of logic are the weight of facts. When trump realized the true nature of a special prosecutor. He began to regret what he previously considered to be a windfall as a mob boss. Because a microscope on his family's life of crime will be laid bare.Cohen could still be standing at the bench acting as the bullies apprentice. In the absence of a special prosecutor. Cohen and trump are two of a kind. One no better than the other.
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I think the payoff to the porn star and the playmate will bite him in the ass first. Especially now that his EX-buddy at the Enquirer is talking. Fixed for you. As the indictments come down mentioning the new exposures of David J. Pecker, AMI, trump, wrongdoing. The tweets of a weak Pecker will pour from the WH. Sorry couldn't resist. Mueller had the details about a AMI-trump coverup already. So why did AMI get complete blanket immunity? Cohen was already cooperating. There has been a Pecker trump relationship for decades. The weak-Pecker and the small orange hands. Will get maximum exposure to the media in 2019. Sorry again. "Pecker’s apparent decision to corroborate Cohen’s account, and implicate Trump in a federal crime, is another vivid example of how isolated Trump is becoming as the walls close in and his former friends look for ways out. “Holy shit, I thought Pecker would be the last one to turn,” a Trump friend told me when I brought up the news. Trump and Pecker have been close for years. According to the Trump friend, Pecker regularly flew on Trump’s plane from New York to Florida. In July 2013, Trump tweeted that Pecker should become C.E.O. of Time magazine. “He’d make it exciting and win awards!” During the 2016 campaign, Pecker provided invaluable media support to Trump by regularly attacking his Republican rivals and Hillary Clinton. At times, it seemed like the Enquirer operated as a de-facto arm of the campaign. In October 2015, I reported that Trump aides were a source for an Enquirer article exposing Ben Carson’s malpractice lawsuits (“Bungling Surgeon Ben Carson Left Sponge in Patient’s Brain!”). Pecker denied it at the time. In June, The Washington Post reported that the Enquirer routinely sent stories to Trump to review prior to publication. (The Enquirer denied that as well.) During the transition, rumors circulated that Trump was considering Pecker for a prime ambassadorship. Last summer, Pecker reportedly brought an adviser to Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman to meet Trump in the Oval Office to help him expand A.M.I.’s business." https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-national-enquirer-allies-defect-david-pecker-michael-cohen
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There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
Phil1111 replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
Trump plan to reclassify nuclear waste alarms environmental groups 'The Trump administration wants to reclassify some radioactive waste left from the production of nuclear weapons to lower its threat level and make disposal cheaper and easier.'.. Reclassifying the material to low-level could save the agency billions of dollars and decades of work by essentially leaving the material in the ground, critics say.... Cleanup efforts at Hanford have been underway since the late 1980s and cost about $2 billion a year." DOE Extends Comment Period for High-Level Waste Definition http://nuclearactive.org/doe-extends-comment-period-for-high-level-waste-definition/ December 7th, 2018 "On Tuesday, December 4th, the Department of Energy (DOE) granted a 30-day extension of time for public comments about their proposal to change the definition of the most dangerous form of radioactive waste – high-level waste. This waste, which was created by reprocessing for nuclear weapons, makes up only about 5% of the total volume of weapons radioactive waste. But it is extremely dangerous because it contains about 98% of the radioactivity of all defense wastes. DOE proposes two categories of high-level radioactive waste: high-level waste and non-high-level waste. Comments are now due on Wednesday, January 9th, 2019, to HLWnotice@em.doe.gov. Sample comments will be available after the first of the year. HLW Comment Extension " For those who have forgotten about who the idiot in charge of these proposed revisions is, Mr. Rick Perry. Who prior to his nomination admitted he had no idea what this department even did. Contrite Perry regrets calling for abolishing Energy Department https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/rick-perry-confirmation-hearing-233835 Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry emerged unscathed from his hearing Thursday to become the next Energy Secretary, contritely rescinding his pledge to dismantle the agency and reversing course on years of comments dismissing climate change science. MAGA, reclassify the most dangerous nuclear waste as non -dangerous rebury it in a major democrat water basin. -
Well no, not those exact experiences. But there could still be far more going on than just flavour. Look at the rise or the molecular gastronomy chefs and restaurants like Heston Blumenthal or elBulli. They'll have experiences cooking and eating food that you can never replicate by just braising meat. Different doesn't necessarily mean better or worse. Its coming: Making Steak out of Spinach: How bioengineering could change meat production "To start resembling a realistic steak with full flavor, texture, and nutrient content, lab-grown muscle needs to incorporate fat and connective tissue. Fat is easier to grow than skeletal muscle because the same muscle-derived satellite cells become fat cells in the presence of naturally occurring chemicals called fatty acids, and fat cells do not need to be as well-aligned or contracted as muscle cells. Fibrous tissue, however, is grown from a different group of cells called fibroblasts, which can also be found in muscle tissue samples. Interestingly, new research has shown that fibroblasts can be reprogrammed into satellite cells, thereby functioning as another source of myoblasts and fat cells. Although these muscle, fat, and connective tissues can all be grown in the lab, each needs its own highly specialized growth environment, making it difficult to grow them together into a complete meat tissue. Scientists in a wide range of biological fields are attempting to find the best ways to grow multiple cell types together effectively." http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/making-steak-spinach-bioengineering-change-meat-production/ A "AAA" grade top filet mignon with the marbling of Kobe/Wagyu, bio engineered.
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There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
Phil1111 replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
You're missing the point Marc is trying to make. 1. The old, dirty, creaky US electric grid would cost $5 trillion to replace. Where should infrastructure spending go? https://theconversation.com/the-old-dirty-creaky-us-electric-grid-would-cost-5-trillion-to-replace-where-should-infrastructure-spending-go-68290 Above estimates from American Society of Civil Engineers. 2. Germany paid people to use electricity over the holidays because its grid is so clean https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/germany-power-grid-pays-customers-christmas-sustainability-renewable-energy-a8141431.html 3.The Hidden Costs of Fossil Fuels https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-and-other-fossil-fuels/hidden-cost-of-fossils#.XBJ7U817kdU For some its all about cheap today. If their children have to pay trillions in costs to fix worn out infrastructure. Clean up polluted streams and rivers. Too bad. Its all about us, today, cheap, toss it away society. Those Germans are so stupid. Developing a clean, robust and redundant grid. Developing pollution free environmental standards. When they could all be driving diesel F-350's and paying $2 a gallon. 'Schweinhund' MAGA. -
Those are just all psychological triggers for your mind. That bring back positive memories of great steaks, chicken wings, etc. If a person had a five star meal cooked by a "Iron Chef" in a restaurant of fantastic ambiance. Then was served a quality, tasty, "farm grown" bio-lobster, bio-steak, bio-shrimp meal. Your brain would start to make the same associations with the bio-products.
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Heresy, a plot by Greenpeace, tree huggers, communists and dems. Actually a great idea. Five Cultured Meat Startups Raise Funding as Fledgling Industry Comes into Focus https://agfundernews.com/cultured-meat-startups-raise-funding.html/
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There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
Phil1111 replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
2017 Annual Report by Aon Benfield Weather, Climate & Catastrophe Insight The below pdf report is from the Insurance Journal. A periodical from the insurance industry. It deals with insured and uninsured losses worldwide from weather events. 56 pages http://thoughtleadership.aonbenfield.com/Documents/20180124-ab-if-annual-report-weather-climate-2017.pdf Insured Natural Disaster Losses in 2017 Were 38% of Economic Costs of $353B... insured losses ($134 million) absorbed by the private sector and government-sponsored programs were second costliest ever incurred – just behind the record of US$137 billion in 2011, the report said, noting that the 2017 total for insured losses is 139 percent higher the US$56 billion reported in 2016.... The record breaking weather-related events across the globe included Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria in the U.S. and Caribbean, plus Typhoon Hato in China and Cyclone Debbie in Australia. For historical context, the report said, 2017’s natural catastrophe losses were 93 percent higher than the 2000-2016 average.... 31 billion-dollar events occurred globally, with 16 alone in the U.S.... Wildfires caused US$14 billion of insurance losses in 2017 – the highest on record for the peril.... “The high cost of disasters in 2017 served as a reminder that we continue to face increasing levels of risk as more people and exposures are located in areas that are particularly vulnerable to major, naturally occurring events,” said Steve Bowen, Impact Forecasting director and meteorologist. “As weather scenarios grow more volatile in their size and potential impact, it becomes more imperative than ever to identify ways to increase awareness, improve communication, and lower the insurance protection gap. We know natural disasters are going to occur. The question is how prepared are we going to be when the next one strikes?” -
?? nose brown, my friend?? Because they(you) can not win in the arena of ideas(fact), Mix your metaphors up. Makes the person sound as sharp as a marble
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How long ago did you start this thread? 2 years ago? How many times have you just been giddy cause you're sure he's gone this time for sure? How many?? So here we are. One more time. And still no Russia Trump. Sorry, but you will yet again be heart broken because you keep your media Trump hater nose ring in. Better a nose ring than a brown nose.
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trump, Trade, China, Canada, Rule of Law, or Payback
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I'm sure in trump's mind she is. Iran, trade, China, war, deals, etc. The supposed seriousness or Iran nuclear weapons. Its ICBM missile and medium range missiles are all negotiable. Part of his master plan. There is no doubt the Iranian cell network is being built by Huawei and its busting sanctions. Or is trump fishing for another ZTE deal to solicit bribes for trump enterprises. "It is “absolutely false” to suggest Canada and the United States engaged in political conspiracy to arrest a high-level Huawei executive, the American ambassador to Canada told reporters in Ottawa Tuesday." This was about eight hours before trump said she could be traded as part of a tariff deal. https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/absolutely-false-huawei-executives-arrest-not-a-ploy-by-u-s-and-canada-ambassador-says/wcm/4175aa31-ce63-46c2-9737-35abf583c46f Is China Straight-Up Bribing Donald Trump? May 15, 2018 "When Donald Trump announced on Sunday night that he was riding to the rescue of Chinese electronics maker ZTE, more than a few people, including those who work for him, were shocked. For one thing, Trump has long-claimed that China “is raping us” through unfair trade practices, and stealing American jobs. For another, the U.S. and Beijing are currently locked in tense negotiations to avoid a protracted trade war,... Trump’s own Commerce Department had banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company violated American sanctions against countries including Iran and North Korea and lied about punishing employees for doing so.... So it was a bit odd to see Trump pull a complete 180, suddenly insisting that the company and its 75,000 Chinese jobs must be saved, though to be fair, tweeting “Look, China just pumped $500 million into a Trump Organization project so I had to do them a solid” might not have gone over so well.... Oh, that’s right—according to multiple news outlets, the president’s total about-face on China came just 72 hours after the developer of a theme park outside Jakarta, known as MNC Lido City, with whom the Trump Organization has an agreement to license its name, signed a deal to receive $500 million in Chinese government loans," https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/is-china-straight-up-bribing-donald-trump-zte trump's statement and the US Ambassador to Canada's statement directly suggests that Canada was played as a fool. That a false claim for extradition was made to further a US/trump trade/payoff/bribe solicitation arrangement. For America, for trumpets, that how it works. All part of the trump chaos. -
Speaking of political hacks your leader Rupert Murdoch...er.. Fox news..er trump. Said today that "President Donald Trump says in a new interview that he is not concerned about being impeached by Democrats, saying, "I think that the people would revolt if that happened." https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/the-latest-trump-people-would-revolt-if-i-were-impeached/1654087463 Which was what the republican hack Giuliani said a while back: "Americans would 'revolt' if Trump impeached 'for political reasons' Aug. 24, 2018 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/24/rudy-giuliani-trump-impeachment-revolt/1083706002/ Is that true Marc? Or is trump a liar? Would you take to the streets with your AR-15?
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trump, Trade, China, Canada, Rule of Law, or Payback
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Huawei's CFO to be freed on $10M bail pending extradition to U.S. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/huawei-meng-wanzhou-bail-hearing-vancouver-1.4940849 For sure she will skip bail. Chinese embassy will forward a new passport. No way she is going to a US court and be forced to testify about Iran subsidiaries. payoffs to Chinese govt officials, etc. -
trump, Trade, China, Canada, Rule of Law, or Payback
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Michael Kovrig: Canadian ex-diplomat 'held in China' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46527975 Canada’s detention of Huawei chief operating officer Meng Wanzhou at the request of Washington has outraged the Chinese government and Chinese public. Despite Ottawa’s explanation that Canada’s independent judicial branch is simply carrying out its extradition treaty obligations to the U.S. without political interference, Beijing has warned Ottawa of “grave consequences” if Meng is not released. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2018/12/11/canada-needs-strategic-clarity-on-engagement-with-china.html How Huawei's CFO ended up in a Canadian jail cell https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/business/huawei-cfo-arrest-details/index.html -
Indeed, Let's see who gets the last laugh. CNBC: Tesla shares soar on surprise third-quarter profit that beats Wall Street expectations https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/tesla-earnings-q3-2018.html Whenever you run into a whiny critic. Online or in life, always remember this. We need more people that live by these words in the world right now. Elon Musk is one of those few. I'm planning on going down to SoCal sometime in the next few months to watch a SpaceX launch and see a rocket guide itself back to the launch pad stick a perfect landing after falling back to Earth. His critics -lacking any real accomplishments of their own- can go jump off a bridge without a BASE rig. Agree with all of the posts above. Starting a new auto company that survives. With MB, GM, Toyota, Honda and every other of the biggest companies chasing his business. Starting a private space company that conducts private launches to the ISS and land the rockets for reuse. Yes on the ego, eccentric, etc. But I think he has earned allot of slack.
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The Democratic party? Extreme LEFT??? When your starting point is the nazi side of Republican, then the Democrats in the US would indeed look like socialists. Funny enough in Canada, the EU, Japan, i.e. western developed world. the Democrats would probably be considered right of centre. Fixed it for you. Only in America are the concepts of the individual, individual rights been ingrained into concepts whereby upward social mobility is less than France. It has in face declined by almost 1/2 since 1940. Yet many uneducated, poor and middle class Americans. Still buy the fiction of the "protestant work ethic" sold by the right. https://www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/#e4a0e526a7b6 -Where that causes the poor to think that the courts are a level playing field between rich and poor. -Where conservative spending policies are leading the US towards an Italian fiscal model. -Where life expediencies in third world countries exceeds the US, yet its poor population still votes republican. U.S. Global Life Expectancy Ranking Plummets, Worst Decline for High-Income Nation https://www.newsweek.com/us-drops-global-life-expectancy-ranking-1173987 the U.S. declined in rank from 43rd to 64th, the largest decrease for a country defined as high-income. With a projected lifespan of 79.8 years, the U.S. sits behind countries including the United Kingdom, Colombia, Japan, Costa Rica, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. " Damn, you have to give trump, the republicans and FOX credit where its due. They have sold their base a bill of goods that only con men could imagine. https://www.newsweek.com/us-drops-global-life-expectancy-ranking-1173987
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Forget the trade truce: Trump’s tariffs are killing U.S. jobs Factory jobs are going to China, and to Vietnam and Cambodia https://www.marketwatch.com/story/forget-the-trade-truce-trumps-tariffs-are-killing-us-jobs-2018-12-05 President Donald Trump’s trade war was meant to bring lost manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. However, it appears to be sending factory jobs out of the U.S. And while Trump punished some foreign competitors, he actually rewarded others. ... Last year’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was long on tax cuts and short on jobs. Its hastily drawn provisions include one called GILTI that can reward U.S. companies for moving production overseas." Record imports push U.S. trade deficit to $55.5 billion https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/record-imports-push-u-s-trade-deficit-to-55-5-billion Record imports in October drove the U.S. trade deficit to the highest level in a decade. The Commerce Department said Thursday that the gap between the United States sells and what it buys from foreign countries hit $55.5 billion in October, the fifth straight increase and highest since October 2008. The politically sensitive deficit in the trade of goods with China rose 7.1 percent to a record $43.1 billion. The goods gap with the European Union widened 65.5 percent to a record $17.6 billion. US October budget deficit jumps to $100.5 billion https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/11/13/us-october-budget-deficit-jumps-to-100-5-billion Which now puts 2019 on track for a $1.2 trillion deficit.
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Donald Trump Would Have Made Hundreds of Millions of Dollars From Russia for Trump Tower Moscow, Mueller Filing Reveals 12/7/18 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-would-have-made-hundreds-millions-dollars-russia-trump-tower-1250468 President Donald Trump would have made millions of dollars in licensing fees and other transactions if he had succeeded in opening a Trump Tower in Moscow, a court document filed on Friday noted.... Previous court documents alleged that Cohen lied because Trump wanted to create the impression that all contact between the Trump Organization and Russia had ended before the Iowa caucuses in February 2016. Now it turns out that Cohen communicated with representatives of the Kremlin after the caucuses, at a time when Russia was already attempting to interfere in the 2016 election. “The defendant’s false statements obscured the fact that the Moscow Project was a lucrative business opportunity that sought, and likely required, the assistance of the Russian government. If the project was completed, the Company could have received hundreds of millions of dollars from Russian sources in licensing fees and other revenues,” the court document read. “The fact that Cohen continued to work on the project and discuss it with Individual 1 well into the campaign was material to the ongoing congressional and SCO investigations, particularly because it occurred at a time of sustained efforts by the Russian government to interfere with the U.S. presidential election,” the document continued." Hundred of millions of dollars for trump and his clan of criminals. A $50 million dollar penthouse for Putin. Putin’s penthouse: Michael Cohen reportedly offered a $50 million sweetener for Trump Tower Moscow https://www.salon.com/2018/11/30/putins-penthouse-michael-cohen-reportedly-offered-a-50-million-sweetener-for-trump-tower-moscow/ President Donald Trump's company, The Trump Organization, proposed giving a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated building the Trump-branded skyscraper during the 2016 presidential campaign, BuzzFeed News reported Thursday, citing four people familiar with the matter. Michael Cohen, the attorney who spent many years working as President Donald Trump's personal "fixer," reportedly discussed the idea with Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov, two U.S. law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed. The report also notes Felix Sater, a longtime Trump associate who has been accused of having ties to organized crime in both the U.S. and in Russia, telling BuzzFeed News that he and Cohen suggested gifting the penthouse to Putin could help sell other apartments." Well, well, well yet republicans... excuse me trump cultists, still voted for trump supporting senators in midterms.
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Not even sworn in and made the boogie man by the right. A. Young woman of Spanish-American heritage, read "brown" B. "in what was described as the biggest upset victory in the 2018 midterm election primaries.[12] " C. From "in New York's 14th congressional district covering parts of the Bronx and Queens in New York City, " the heart of the trump crime family's base. D. College Degree."When she takes office on January 3, 2019, at the age of 29, Ocasio-Cortez will be the youngest woman to serve in Congress in the history of the United States" Thanks Iago. The antithesis of old white men of the trump cult. The polar opposite of entitled narcissist christian conservatives. A perfect counter to your "Hollywood leftist elitist mindless followers of the personality". AH! just wait a bit and like trump himself. Because they can't put their guns on safe and holster their weapons. His supporters will shoot themselves in the testicles. Then repeat the Fox news shrill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez Bravo Ms. Ocasio-Cortez you represent everyone in the 14th congressional district: Ethnicity 26.26% White 11.15% Black 19.06% Asian 39.30% Hispanic 0.48% Native American 3.75% other Not just the Wall street billionaires.
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Ever heard of the Festina Affair? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festina_affair It was a watershed event in pro cycling. Prior to that, the doping was done by team doctors and paid for by the team. After that event, the teams adopted the Sergeant Schultz attitude: "We know nothing! We don't want to know anything!" i.e. they expected cyclists to dope, but due to the Festina Affair holding management criminally responsible, they didn't want to know about it. Be aware that under French law, there is no difference between PEDs and heroin/cocaine/etc. Now look at the date of Armstrong's first TdF win: 1999, the year after the 1998 Festina Affair. He was effective because he was not deterred by the Festina fallout, and quickly learned to manage his own doping program. Note, I am not defending LA; He is a sociopath who uses people, and then throws them under the bus. But he did not invent doping, and when he left cycling, the doping remained. Well, clearly you and Billvon have discovered a most serious defect. In my knowledge, understanding of both cycling and doping. You are both right. I'd almost state now that cycling is the most corrupted sport in athletics. But my confidence is now so shaken by previous ignorance in this area. That i need to study this entire area further. The breadth of corruption of the sport. Is so deep, persuasive, well documented and complete. That my brain feels as if its competed a 100k ride fueled by water alone. That the glucose levels are so low that a dozen bananas won't remedy the assault on my being. I'll retire to the team car and toss my bib to the wind in defeat. Its time to sell the Trek.
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Lance was born in 1971. Now look at these cases and try to blame it all on him: List of doping cases in cycling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling Doping at the Tour de France: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France I recognize that Armstong wasn't the first performance doper. But it seems as if he institutionalized, a professional-systematic approach on a annual basis. To enrich himself while driving championships to himself and his team. He alone drove the cheating at the USPS team, did it for years and it enriched himself by 10's of millions of dollars. Prior to Armstrong it was individuals and state sponsored, state assisted individuals and state teams.