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Welcome back. This is far and beyond any individual post by anyone on this issue. While some of the specific points concede an America thats far too violent and overly vulnerable. It lays out some of the ideas necessary to keep all guns away from those who shouldn't possess them. Yet still allows safe and sane people to own them. On a separate related issue. Decline In Hunters Threatens How U.S. Pays For Conservation Why We Suck at Recruiting New Hunters, Why It Matters, and How You Can Fix It "Hunting participation peaked in 1982, when nearly 17 million hunters purchased 28.3 million licenses. Hunter numbers have steadily declined since. We lost 2.2 million hunters between 2011 and 2016 alone, according to the National Survey of Hunting, Fishing, and Wildlife-­Associated Recreation, a report issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. In 2016, just 11.5 million people hunted. That’s less than 4 percent of the national population." Which of course runs counter to the current gun buying, gun licensing, stampede of Americans.

They are generally the best of the pro-gun group. But like Tom Cruise in Top Gun (pardon the pun) he has lost his way. Yeah its called a gun safe. Any responsible gun owner has one. They start at $200 used. You described this properly as fantasy. But the previous ideas coherently cover the basics. Good post.

More attackers with knives have been disarmed by unarmed bystanders than have been shot. Knives are far less lethal and the only mass killing with a knife to kill more than 18 was in Japan and those were disabled adults in a nursing home Typical weak NRA fluff. I'm ready when you have bone behind your salient points. Wendy has brought a better game to a pro gun position than your last few posts. Straight out of FOX. Irrelevant race and religion baiting for its base. Who swallows it up w/o thought. Days before, but stick to picking the rotten cherries. Which would not have penetrated the body armor of the attending officer who was killed. In addition the suspect pumped four bullets into the first man he killed outside the store. How does that fit into your skilled military mind whose analysis suggests such a weapon. IMO so called "assault weapons" could be owned by those who pass the checks and training akin to carry permit possession. The same applies to large capacity magazines. Statistics show that they are far more law abiding and mentally stable than almost any other demographic. But the gun lobby as illustrated in the last 24 hours of posting in this thread. refuses to compromise. Can't seem to author real ideas and BIGUN seems to have gone AWOL in the skilled argument of fact. Laws, like politics operates on a pendulum. Eventually it will swing and very restrictive laws will be enacted. Because the pro gun, GOP refuses to keep guns away those who just should not be near any gun. When the unstable and mentally deranged have their choice. When these young, ignorant, young men decide to attack the innocent. The AR-15 and large capacity magazine is the weapon of choice. Body armor, other than SWAT, becomes irrelevant. The stress of mag changes, irrelevant. Lethality v handgun, no comparison. For gun owners and the well informed on these issues none of this is new. But dancing around the issues, misinformation and deflection. Will continue until its too late for the responsible gun owner. Then it will be the smelter. The question is, will it take 300,000 or 500,000 more innocents to die before that political will forms. i.e. a decade to five decades.

Now the discussion has degenerated to responding to trolling. The weight of his entire post had the weight of a atom. I know you can do better. The US has well armed police, a well equipped reserve with F-16's and the powerful military in the world. To give a like to the post by billeisele is detrimental to your strong reputation of intellectual integrity on this matter. Don't fall back on the nonsensical reasoning's of those who can't find a bone within the issues.

"Moving" is all just talkety talk in the gun forums. Nobody moves just to buy a AR-15, a suppressor, to get a carry permit, etc. I belong to many US gun forums Snipers Hide, Brian Enos, etc. You will never find a rational discussion about gun control in a gun forum.

What non Americans may not recognize is the history and values that some Americans attach to the second amendment. The American revolution, the civil war and a distrust of government. Gave rise in part to it, but it goes beyond that. For many Americans the concept of citizens defeating a dictatorship government through the use of arms. Holding government to account when it attempts to subvert the rights of citizens. Are feelings that run deep. Naturally the title and intent of this thread is designed to address these concepts. But i have to agree with BIGUN. It can all be addressed W/O changes to the constitution. The problem arises in part because of the stacking of the courts. But mostly because the right refuses to negotiate at all. Labeling any change as a "slippery slope". This was laid out by a constitutional professor in a recent US network interview. I'm not that clever to frame such an argument.

More democrats want to use taxpayers money to help the rich escape climate change. California Has A New Idea For Homes At Risk From Rising Seas: Buy, Rent, Retreat "Within the span of a 30-year mortgage, more than $100 billion worth of American homes is expected to be at risk of chronic flooding. As the climate warms and oceans rise,...the 43-year-old Democrat has proposed legislation to create a revolving loan program, allowing California counties and communities to purchase vulnerable coastal properties. The goal would then be to rent those properties out, either to the original homeowner or someone else, and use that money to pay off the loan until the property is no longer safe to live in. " Its nothing less than communism for the rich.

Agree Agree and BIGUN has offered some good insight, comment. What I immediately thought about was the relative education of Black and colored personnel v. whites. By education I mean West Point, US Air Force academy, etc. and other colleges. Then factoring in their military records. I'm sure there are a couple good studies factoring all the variables including race. Naturally the identical study factoring military records, education, etc. including sex of the candidates would be useful.

Perfect sense. When a lawyer submits an affidavit to the court they swear that all that is submitted is true.She supplied all of trump's affidavits. Now she is claiming that she should not be believed for what she says.

Your evidence of such an establishment? Thats a very powerful argument argument against gun controls!

You forgot to mention it was trump and the GOP that invited them there. But a dead cop and a couple others can be ignored. There are new shootings in the news so January 6th is old.

Well certainly trumps wall isn't having any impact is it?

The narrative is 18 dead in two shootings. IMO the number killed by guns in mass shootings is the narrative. AFAIK the Colorado shooter has not been established as a trump supporter. Anti-Asian? he reportedly frequented those establishments and has religious and sexual conflict psychological issues. Does any fact matter to you or is it all a culture war? Is the fact that he is a US citizen relevant? Muslim? Or do facts matter? Of which "anger management issues" is the sole comment you've made in this thread with a basis in fact.

Distract by throwing race and religion into the equation. SOP for the culture war. Wendy, you're too late.

I disagree. He started a thread about a year and a half ago. Whereby at the end of the thread there was agreement from himself, wolfriverjoe, and a few others as to what reasonable legislation should be enacted.

I'll bet they were engineering students!

Easy BIGUN, we all know its a generalization arising from frustration borne of concern. If he wasn't frustrated and didn't care....well you know. To the topic at hand: "Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, the man accused of killing 10 people in a grocery store attack in Colorado, was found guilty of misdemeanor assault when he was a high school senior, and the police in his hometown, Arvada, a suburb of Denver, said they had a separate encounter with him based on a report of “criminal mischief.” According to a police affidavit, just a week ago, he bought a Ruger AR-556 pistol, though it is not clear that was the weapon used in the killings. Students at Arvada West High School recalled Mr. Alissa in interviews as being prone to angry outbursts, and one said that “out of nowhere” he had became enraged and beat up another student during a class — apparently the incident that led to the assault conviction. On Monday, law enforcement officials say Mr. Alissa, 21, who lived in Arvada, went to a King Soopers store in nearby Boulder and killed 10 people." So a man who was violent, short-tempered and paranoid during high school, his former classmates said Tuesday. doesn't preclude purchase of such firearms in Colorado! This story should be read as it outlines who should not own guns.

The NRA is ahead of you already. Its a mental health issue, not a access to guns issue. Meanwhile at the NRA, its executive continue to line the pockets of insiders.

Nothing strange or unbelievable at all. Mouthpieces for the big lie want to benefit yet avoid liability. Tucker Carlson is well paid as a mouthpiece for Mr. Murdoch and the GOP. Mrs. Powell was well paid by trump, his donors and the GOP. A court is where the rubber will meet the road.

add this: Above from How Does Bitcoin Mining Work? So energy prices are going up, the reward from a given set of mining hardware is decreasing. All to maintain a given small set of "valued" assets. At least with gold the gold doesn't shrink every four years. Then throw in the US FED which believes monetary expansion can be endless yet still maintain a value of its currency.

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Thats actually a famous quote by one of trump's best friends. Leona Helmsley, from NY,NY together with her husband were billionaires. She had her house renovated and stiffed the contractors. The contractors squawked and the IRS got involved. She was renovating her personal residence and an apartment. Billing the work to a business. In the end she got, about 12 years, served four(guessing here) plus community service. But in the end her employees did the community service.

"Only little people pay taxes"

What? If entitlement of the wealthy was challenged by investigation and enforcement? If the use of lawyers in courts by the wealthy. To wear down the limited funding of the IRS to use the courts to pursue delinquents and tax cheats. Was finally brought to an even balance. First we have trusts: "Jeffrey Epstein signed new will to shield $577m fortune days before death. Financier created trust fund in new will two days before suicide. Experts say prying open fund will be difficult for accusers" "The sex-trafficking scandal surrounding the late Jeffrey Epstein already has tarnished the reputations of prominent politicians, businessmen, and the British royal family. Now it’s casting a dark shadow on an estate tax-avoidance strategy popular among Wall Street CEOs and tech entrepreneurs. The strategy exploits a loophole that Congress unintentionally left open when it passed provisions related to grantor retained annuity trusts, or GRATs, in 1990. Use of these trusts already has cost the IRS—by one estimate—well over $100 billion in just the last two decades. A recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission by the private equity firm Apollo Global Management reveals that the firm’s longtime CEO, Leon Black, relied on Epstein’s assistance to extract more than $500 million of tax savings from GRATs." Finally we have trump: How the Trump Family Used GRATs for Massive Tax Savings