Misternatural

>>Estimated cost of ther plan is 1B dollars. 750M will be polution control expense. (all aprox dollars) Excellent- everyone wins, more jobs are created, the fish become edible, less oil is burned. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>> soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced, and sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. OK this is what cracks me up, when they say "Fossil Energy used to produce these fuels"....The equipment can run on biodeisel and or ethanol so it is an effective net zero factor for fossil fuel consumption. The second law of thermodynamics mandates that energy production requires energy consumption so we are not going to get any free fuel here no matter what we do. >>I wonder why hemp is not pushed for a biomass fuel when it is the cheapest and fastest to produce. Hemp is an excellent alternative, it grows in harsh conditions is virtually pest free AND the seeds are an excellent food source BUT it has such a hippie/drug stigma that people can't get their minds wrapped around it as a useful crop. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Coal fired plants will still need to be built as well. We are working on the final app here in Iowa for one. This plant is being built with CO2 issues in mind for when the tech becomes avialable to use it. Clean coal technology and gassification/liquification of coal are two excellent possibilities as alternatives to oil. I have to say though that half of the fish in the waters of Vermont are deemed hazardous to eat because of past generation coal fired plants exhaust flowing over New England. So I hope that pollution control equipment will be installed. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

did you see the guy inside, break out the glass and then opened the window!?! Well when you sit in a firehouse all week eating nothing but beans and ritz crackers while watching re -runs it makes you want to smash stuff. and when you gonna hand over that avatar? or are you just trying to bug me Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

We do live in a lobbyocracy and oddly sugar, actually glycogen ,is the fuel that our cells need to function. So I can see how this would be a powerful lobby. But the OIL lobby has got to be THE most powerful lobby and I suspect that they are responsible for most of the fear mongering when it comes to the development of alternative fuels. I say you can either start investing in the new energy infrastucture or continue to allow oil producers to rule our lives. The U.S. government has made a courageous choice in this matter. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

"First you get de sugar, den you get de power, den you get de women."- Homer Simpson Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>you know all those dropzone Twin Otters and Caravans are perfect workhorses to deliver all that aid we recoup from savings of not boating. We'll just give up everything... Turbine plane engines can be modified to burn plant derived fuels and the FAA has approved diesel engines for piston aircraft which incidentally can burn biodiesel so fuel related jump ticket prices could actually not be so affected by rising petroleum prices. this we like, yes? Is the bill a Panacea? hell no, but it's a step in the direction of an energy revolution and all of these projected disastrous consequences which MIGHT result from the temporary use of food crops for fuel are nothing more than a fear based resistance to inevitable change. It's difficult to let go of an oil based infrastructure, our lives are bound to it right now but lets face it- the switch to a new energy based society is inevitable. The bill is now law...lets see where it takes us. If the projected economic problems become a evident- I have faith that amendments to the law can be made in time to avert disaster. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Rush I discovered another side benefit to this bill which I think would interest you folks in the electrical utility business, The prospect of further development of electrical generation at the point of use. For example photovoltaics and on site electrical generators such as fuel cells. Wouldn't that reduce the strain on an already over worked power line grid system? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Ah, you are in the electrical utility industry, I can see where that would be a burden, but consider that once the new infrastructure is in place the strain on your company should diminish, as far as the land issue, real estate prices will always be controlled by those who drive the price up by demand, for now the sub prime disaster and housing start decline should keep land prices low for the next few years. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

No need for apologies here, it's the speakers corner- we are here to spar. it's good for the noggin. What industry are you in thats got you fired up about this bill? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>I should consider you a "lose nut" liberal that does not like having your positions challenged. OK, time out, obviously you're having a bad day, I was actually joking about myself,I need to use the emoticons more- what, you don't think some of these discussions are funny? man, some of the material that is typed on this site is a downright riot. I mean can't I just be proud of what the Govt. has done today? my fucking tax dollars are doing something I actually give a shit about. it's amazing. > and yes I am a loose nut but not so liberal thankyou. Keep up the good work. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>I do not understand why you have to do this what, what am I doing, you mean ranting like a freeking nut bar and mixing in some facts?? isn't that what we do here? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Do you know what feeds the beef you eat? Ok now someone owes me a new keyboard cuz I think I laughed up part of a lung just now. I choose to eat mostly wild game, besides have you heard of cellulosic ethanol? switchgrass? or Biodiesel made from algae? as far as I know these technologies don't infringe on feedlot meat sources. yeah yeah I know it's all an experimental pipe dream...and they can never replace petroleum- They're not meant to fill the complete consumption equation by themselves. BUT all of these technologies put together can go a long way toward easing the pressure on foreign oil. that's the point, the bill is COMPREHENSIVE. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

You owe me a new keyboard for making me laugh while drinking my tea. Hey It's the least I can do, Your keyboard owes its existence to petroleum products, which is one of the reasons I choose to try to conserve oil, it is a fundamental building block for so many things in our every day life- most of us have no idea how petroleum affects us, it is after all a natural resource derived from ancient plants and animals and is simply a synthesis of SOLAR ENERGY I am not anti petroleum however I am a proponent of technological evolution- here's a short history of human accomplishments: Stone age- bronze age- iron age- dark age/renaissance- industrial age- oil age- information age- and now we are entering the alternative energy age. Finally after all of my bitching about politicians and their stagnant myopic partisan bullshit, the U.S government has made a monumental stride forward into the energy age, is it experimental? hell yeah! but some of the science behind it actually works.Will it have adverse economic impacts- maybe, but at least we're getting out heads out of our asses and getting bills passed which could mean something for a brighter future. edited to add that I fucking forgot about the space age right up there with the age of aquarius. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>As far as I know, 21 years later, there are still no solar panels on the White House. It could be next, it's a sign of the times, maybe Carter wasn't such a goober after all. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Food prices will go up and food reserves (are already) go down Sheesh, Now who's engaging in establishment fear based hyperbole. Relax, even the president said that non corn feedstock ethanol production will be the focus, lets have a little faith here in the government's foresight on this issue. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Hehehe- check out provision 501 and 521, installation of photovoltaics on the energy dept. building, and the feasibility study for roof panels on the capitol complex, now thats hilarious - Didn't Reagan have solar panels torn off of the white house? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Rhone A. Resch, president of the Solar Energy Industries Association,sought an extension of the investment tax credit that expires at the end of next year. "Clearly the most important provisions for us were left on the cutting-room floor." Heres a correlation to the stock market- As the buzz about this bill circulated in late November, solar, and ethanol stocks both climbed sharply, they include; Ethanol stocks- Verasun, VSE Archer Daniels Midland, ADM Pacific Ethanol, PEIX Earth biofuels, EBOF Solar stocks- Solarfun, SOLF First solar,FSLR Evergreen solar, ESLR SunPower, SPWR So far neither of these stock groups have shown much reaction to the changes in the tax package, You would think that solar stocks would take a sharp drop. Tax concession probably will not affect investment potential as investors are driven mostly by projected earnings. disclosure: of these I only own VSE Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Sorry I'm not good with links,and I don't have a copy of the bill but here's a news brief, Im sure you have already found a better source.http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050729-9.html[url] Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Hey, I just like to hear him say "nucular" besides he could have Vetoed it for any given reason. I mostly appreciated his positive demeanor as it does help to further the cause. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

President Bush has just enthusiastically signed the new energy bill drafted and passed by congress. Granted these bills incorporate a glut of detailed mandates, it included some very encouraging petroleum alternative technologies. The bill includes a mandate for increased ethanol and biodiesel production and usage including provisions for non corn based ethanol. It also includes tax incentives for fuel cell, hybrid, and clean diesel vehicles, also funding for clean coal technologies. Although I have been very critical of the Bush Administrations policies in the past I think he has done a great service in this signing. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Was it Ben Franklin? I saw the quote attributed to him as well. *hickup* yer both wrong, it was Albert Franklin who also once said: "You can pick your friends and you can prick your finger but you can't finger your neighbors nose ya prick." Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Happy anonymous generic birthday internet greeting from a person you don't know living on the other side of the continent. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Texas lieutenant governor Bob Bullock once said to Molly Ivins when asked why he didn't like a certain reporter: "Molly,that dudes pants were so tight- if he'd a farted it a blowed his boots off!" Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Ah, but does not a person's mood affect the person's actions? Hehe, I can always count you to torment my brain cells In some cases yes - but I know some professionals who can have their world crumbling around them and still manage to proceed with their tasks and act as though everything was fine. Folks who can mask their moods seem to have more friends, get into less trouble, and are more successful and better at doing their job. For most people I think that a positive attitude definitely helps, but on the other hand, one should avoid going through life a haze of Prozac with a big dopey smile on their face- cuz thats just askin' for a grill slap.