Misternatural

>>Really? What's the number, maybe I can help? You're not helping my paranoia- Reminds me of that guy who drives around with his SS # on the side of a truck to advertise his anti identity theft program...I think he had his ID stolen a number of times since then But a political identity is something politicians covet and seem proud to maintain, defend, and use it like a badge to connect with like minded constituents/voters. However, they define themselves by it when it is convenient, but try to abandon it when it is not- thats been my perception anyway. How are turncoats treated in Washington? I can only imagine the friend/ foe dynamics in that place- especially during an election year. People here seem to stick to their political identity because we deal in ideas for discussion purposes only, but it must be tough for people running for office to stick with their political affiliations without alienating huge numbers needed voters, but thats the game I guess, it's really a fun show to watch unfold. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Did I mention that I didn't think any good would come from this thread? If I may ask, please define good for me. All this talk about character, and flip flopping etc. eg. Joe Leiberman and Jeffords (to be fair), where do some politicians really stand I wonder. Also as side issue,in case anybody is wondering, I realize the irony of an anonymous poster starting a thread about political Identity on the internet but my reasons for trying to be anonymous here have to do with identity theft- which is probably just a futile and paranoid behavior pattern- Though I have had my CC # stolen twice. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>if you fail your fucked. I believe in capitalism.. and I have a small business- in the real estate game no less... Capitalism is great when times are good but it sure sucks when you're on the loosing end of it- but thats the game, and most of us have to scrounge now so to be fair the CEO's should suffer as well- that has not been the case of late and that needs to change! Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>but all in favor of bailing out the CEOs who made the bad decisions. Well to be fair The bailout would save the entire company and it's employees- but as a stock holder you ARE playing my tune...I don't particularly like the fact that CEO's live so high on the food chain but they are a necessary evil in a corporate world. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Oh- I'm sure if you made that call he would find a way to break free for a while... Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>The first is that the Feds are playing the stock market - buying up bargain stocks. Are there any legal problems with that? we probably agree that its great that the Govt. invest in Equities- nothing like having skin in the game to keep you on your toes, but that has to be a conflict of some sort. >>The other thought is - this is socialism. True, and it is an election year and the administration needs to bend the rules to save face...both sides of the isle play that game if they have to- it's pure political strategy IMOP. As you know true Capitalism is a tough sport- no safety net, it's like abiding by the laws of nature- you make a bad judgement call or slip up in the woods- you die, it's that simple. in this case your company fails you loose your job and your kids suffer as a result, I don't think most people could handle a truly capitalistic world. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>My work is without electricity Yes- time to bust out the battery operated appliances Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

I can't believe I ate the Whoooole thing! Plop Plop Fizz Fizz oh what a relief it is Wait,I feel a "Bromo Burp" happening Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Well I cooked up the acorns, what a job, peeling them then boiling the tannins out....blech, still bitter, but they are nutritious as hell, i can see how the Natives survived on them, but so far I'm not getting the same results as Mr. Squirrel down there.

She is pretty rugged for a cartoon arboreal rodent. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

Bill brings up a good point in the use of the word sometimes,I think none of us are absolute in our stance. But my reasoning for this thread has to do with a situation where I was having an argument with someone who wasn't even arguing with me but because of my erroneous perception of their fundamental political stance I totally mis interpreted their points. PLUS we do joke around a lot here and I can't tell whether people are actually defending a point or being sarcastic at times.

>>Spongebob Plays The Crying Game Lemme guess, does this have to do with S Bob's girlfriend Sandy the squirrel? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>with nuts the size of freaking superhuge Gobstoppers. Sons of salami, what are you feeding those squirrels?? Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Anyone that puts themselves into little boxes clearly are doomed to stay there. -hopefully the provision I made at the bottom of the opener counters that

>>I think that Ken & GI Joe got jealous & cut them off! hey, I recognize them- those guys look just like my neighbors. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>You don't go to Fark.com much, huh? yeah, like i said, i spend a lot of time in the woods... I'll check with Billy next time, he's the xpert on pics to post Anyway it's too cold here in the N E for squirrels here to be hanging out like that.

c'mon humor us anyway Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

I was in the woods today collecting acorns to make pancakes with and along with the online recipe was this pic:

Sometimes it's difficult to tell which political/socioeconomic affiliation a forum poster represents, hopefully this can be a handy reference; USA,Party- Democrat Faction- fiscal conservative /social liberal Legislation preferences-Pro Firearm,Pro Choice,Free Speech,Privacy,Pro Hunting. Energy policy- Alternative to petroleum Belief systems-Environmentalism,Capitalism *subject to change over time **feel free to add categories

>>Serving for a few years under Favre will teach a thing or two. -like when to retire, still got the moves but oye- what a brutal third quarter, he said Fu*K about four times on the field when he got intercepted. Then later dragged toward the end zone, beaten at home by a rookie QB- I wonder what Thomas said to him after tossing him to the ground at the Jets own 7 yd line? aside from that: Giants Colts Broncos Titans it was a good weekend for me. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>What the hell does our government being broke at all levels have to do with real estate? Bwahha Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Is the town you live in financially sound? What about your County? State you live in have $$$'s in the bank? Oh I believe in Capitalism, I have skin in the game as an investor, and in the real estate market, it's no picnic out there and I soon am going to need a skin graft as a result, you can call me a bad investor if you like but I am in the majority so that argument does not hold- are we ALL collectively bad investors or did the playing field get washed out. As noted broker Jeff Mackey says...It''s just a tough tape out there! >>This reminds me of the Carter Era a bit. Fuel was rising, home loans were astronomical, we had a hostage crisis and overall And believe me we democrats have had to eat out share of the shit sandwich ever since...now its your turn and understandably you don't like it...too bad, man up- and chew! >>feelings about America were not good until we beat the Russians in hockey! Since You brought up sports, this reminds me of revered veteran Brett Favre in the third quarter yesterday getting beaten by a rookie QB, now I'm no New England fan but seeing Brett get dragged back to the goal line at the end of the fourth...after all that controversy-man, now THATS a shit sandwich. We live in interesting times my friend. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Words like "Crisis" and "Meltdown" get tossed around and now the phrase "since the great depression" are working their way into the mix. This is the essence of a political campaign, unfortunately hyperbole works in the effort to garner votes on a broad spectrum...The republicans do exactly the same thing. The difference here is that Obama does not yet have any power aside from his senatorial duties. The republicans have a presidential administration ie. Paulson et al who still can influence policy such as corporate and financial bailouts to slow down the bleeding or make it appear so. They each are going to do whatever it takes to win, sadly what the Bush administration is doing is definitely costing the taxpayer billions whereas Obama's mantra of rhetoric are just ideas on a drawing board which can still be tweaked before it is actually implemented. Granted there is some decoupling between government and economic downturns but one thing that cannot be denied.....this all happened on the presidents watch and that may be a tough pill to eat- but you've gotta eat it. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

shine on crazy diamond- Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415

>>Relate what is happening RIGHT NOW to an historical perspective. >>Yup !! It could get that bad ! The structure of the banking industry and equity markets today has built in collapse protection because of their complexity- Despite the grim reaper demeanor of some pundits. The Dow futures right now are showing a +- 400 point drop on the news. Thats heavy volume but not totally unexpected given current volatility-Todays investors know that a total failure would require a multi pronged collapse in the infrastructure, it would take a series of major catastrophes to initiate such a decline. Savvy investors use these dips as a buying opportunity, the smart move right now would be obviously to continue to short the financials, and go long on equities in sectors like energy & consumer staples etc. things that todays human definitely needs to live- and survive on the dividends while the market makes a recovery. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415