jloirsdaan

I am not for pushing things on anyone. It should have read "available" to everyone. Good care, not the b.s. we have now. My family and I are what I'd call a good example of how the system should work. My wife and I met in high school. I was 15 she 17, dated for about a year and we got pregnant. I was 16, her 18 at the time. We made a dumb decision, not using BC. Or some would say just not had sex at all. Granted, it was stupid and irresponsible, but what was done was done. We got married, got our own place and got ready for the baby. I got a job bagging groceries, she was working in the front office of an amusement park. Neither offered health insurance, so medicaid was the only answer, other than a mountain of debt. After my son was born, we got on WIC, and had been on food stamps since we got married. I finished high school, working at night and joined the Army the moment I finished. I appreciate the system, I benefited from it, and think it should be there for others that need it as well. We both made dumb decisions as kids, but we took what was available to us, and made the best of it. I don't think anyone should get anything for free. I also don't think $12,000 for less than 10 hrs total in the hospital, for some xrays, a non broken arm, and a broken nose is reasonable. You can't convince me that I didn't get raped going in there. But, we work hard, and will pay our bill, no matter how ridiculous I think it is. We still struggle, but we do it without assistance now. And can only hope for better in the future. The point is, we are the USA, we shouldn't let those less fortunate fall by the way side. I just think, like the military, the rest of the country should take care of their own. There will always be shit heads that try and ruin it for the folks that really need it. They are scum, and deserve to spend some quality time behind bars. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

See, the same exact answer each and every time just about. The big scary government. I will fully support a non government option, if it will cover EVERYBODY. Haven't heard another viable solution yet. I just keep thinking "we aren't talking about the government giving out free ham sandwhiches" ....its health care. I don't think that is something that should be denied to people because they don't have enough money. I can't wrap my head around how others see it any different. I am not being hostile here, I seriously can't understand it. edit to add: The big scary government part wasn't meant to sound so....pissy........just got on a roll after reading the "big government" part of your post.

I can't tell you one person I know, and I know lots of poor people , that doesn't pay any taxes. I also said in my post, that the whole tax system should be overhauled. So again, taxes are certian in life, just as sure as death. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

.....I really really should read stuff a few times before posting. I don't know how I missed that, 'tis plain as day looking back at it now. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

See this is the only problem I have with that argument. Some people, no matter how determined they might be, are just dealt a crappy hand. People that will never get a job with benefits. Why is health care, even if it is from the government, stealing? Taxes? We pay tons of them now, and I am sure many many are for much less of a "cause" than this. So overhaul the system completely.....I know wishful thinking. But still, IMO, taxes are one of the only certain things in life. I pay 'em as well. I still don't see how it's stealing......granted some people will and do abuse the system....they are scum. I think the USA is the greatest country on earth. That's why I joined the Army, and spent so much time aways from my wife and kids. I think we are in a day and age where health care isn't a nice privilege for those that can afford it....it should be, no it is a basic human right. We're one of the, if not the wealthiest country in the world, why can't we make sure that all people have access to decent care? And, to me, the ER mess we have now isn't the solution. I'm not saying a government option is the best answer...or that it won't cause a whole slew of other problems. But, I haven't heard a solution yet from the "other side" that covers every one. I respect everyone's opinion, I just don't get all of them sometimes. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

Amen, you said exactly what I wanted to, but with better words.

I guess rural SC isn't the place to be without insurance.....or Myrtle Beach. To me, its actually pretty sad that there is that much of a difference from place to place. I am not saying my kids, or my brother were treated poorly. Quite the opposite, my brothers leg, which was just a fracture....healed without a hitch. Even with zero care after he left the ER. In each case, IMO, we were given the very very basic level of care, and released. Although none of these incidents were serious enough to require an overnight stay. I don't know what the answer is for the US and our health system. I just know, based on my experiences, there is a bunch that needs fixing.

Not me, but my kids (which I just posted about), and my brother actually did break his leg playing football at the beach. No insurance, got xrays and a cast, that was really it. They did say to come back in x amount of weeks to get it taken off.....at ridiculiously high prices we were sure. My Mom has worked at the same dentist's office for 20+ years....the Dentist cut it off. I am now confused, because apparently this isn't how it is everywhere? Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

I am going to say she is pretty much right, and leave it at that. They'll take you into the ER and fix you up, but it ends there. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

Congrats on the new baby Andy! I still just can't figure out why so many people just don't get it....... People talk about getting the same level of care, blah blah blah. Well how nice it must be to make enough money to afford all of that coverage. I am with Quade, how much do you pay, lawrocket, and how much does Andy pay? That is the key. The argument from the other side, to me, is summed up as "it sucks to be you, make more money and buy insurance". Spent 6 years in the Army, deployed 2 times, I get out, can't find a job, no health insurance for my family. Had a few MINOR things happen. My son fell off his bike, we thought he broke his arm. That cost over $5000. Just for the xrays, a few tests, we spent less than 4 hours in the ER. So now I owe the local hospital 5k. My daughter got hit with a baseball in the face, and it broke her nose. That was just over $7k. Two little things, and now we are in debt over $12,000. My wife is now in the Coast Guard, it seems the military are the only ones hiring now. .... So the story has somewhat of a happy ending...we are good to go now....but I still owe all that money to the hospital. I'll get it taken care of, it'll take a while. A few Christmas's might be a little "light". But I'll get it paid off. My point is, you can't convince me the system isn't broken. Medicaid is nice, as I am sure that'll be brought up....but, in S. Carolina at least, they go by the total income for the HOUSEHOLD....we were living with my wifes parents and didn't qualify. The system is broken, you can't argue otherwise. For the people that are well (enough) off, the system might not be that bad, I guess. For those of us that are a bit worse off, we are just screwed. edit to add: I should read a little more before posting. I see the costs lawrocket put down. Yep, out of reach for us at the time....seeing as we were making $0 a year. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

That's what finally taught me. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

I'm with you, Amazon. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

I feel like I am in the twilight zone after reading only a couple of your posts......... Floridajumper87, welcome to the sport!

....Thanks for that. I am a South Carolinian as well, and even though I voted for/support Obama, that is still funny as hell. I needed a good laugh today! Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

:2:0 Just a couple of 2 way RW jumps with the wife. She sprained her ankle a week or so ago and we missed one weekend. We were going to make a couple more....but her ankle still isn't 100%. Hope to do more next weekend. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

1. Whats your name? Jordan 2. How old are you? 24 3. Why did you decide to start jumping out of airplanes? I'd just gotten back from Iraq in April 2004, bunch of guys wanted to go make static line jumps. Ended up only 4 of us going....I was hooked after the 1st jump. Had my A about 3 months later. 4. Are you single or taken? Married? Married 8 years. 5. Do you have kids? Yes a boy and a girl 6. What do you drive? 2008 Scion XB 7. Have you ever done a kisspass? Yes 8. Where do you live? Northern California 9. Do you have any pets? 2 dogs 10. How many jumps do you have? 417 11. What color eyes do you have? Blue 12. What is your nationality? umm.... 'Merican. 13. Have you ever dated someone you met off the internet? Yes 14. Favorite Movie? Forrest Gump 15. What do you do when you arent skydiving? Not much 16. Have you ever BASE jumped? No 17. If not... do you want to? Someday 18. Do you have siblings? 3 sisters and 3 brothers 19. Where do you want to travel to the most? Ireland 20. What's your favorite color? red and black 21. Where was the last place you flew to ( not skydiving )? NYC Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

I've got 420ish jumps and I am not packing yet ....what is this sport coming too? Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

Hey thats only $1 more than me. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

For the second time in two days.... The far right has such a interesting view of the world. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

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This can't be repeated enough. I spent 2 years in Iraq. March 2003-March 2004. September 2005-September 2006. I completely agree with the above post. I would just be getting back from a 3rd tour had I stayed in the Army. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

Fact is the debates don't really change much. I think it was mostly a tie. I support Sen Obama, I think he did good, but he didn't knock it out of the park. Sen McCain did better than I thought he would. But he didn't do as good as he NEEDED to. It was much more important for him to do very well in this debate. This one was on his only real strong point....foreign policy. To me, if Sen McCain was going to flip the polls, he had to knock this one out of the park....he did okay....but certainly didn't hit a "homerun". Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

That's stolen right out of my "playbook" . Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.

"Should" be able to make it for at least the late game. Hope I can meake it. Jordan Go Fast, Dock Soft.