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Cherokees Pull Freed Slaves' Memberships Sunday, March 4, 2007 7:58 AM EST The Associated Press By MURRAY EVANS OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Cherokee Nation members voted Saturday to revoke the tribal citizenship of an estimated 2,800 descendants of the people the Cherokee once owned as slaves. With all 32 precincts reporting, 76.6 percent had voted in favor of an amendment to the tribal constitution that would limit citizenship to descendants of "by blood" tribe members as listed on the federal Dawes Commission's rolls from more than 100 years ago. The commission, set up by a Congress bent on breaking up Indians' collective lands and parceling them out to tribal citizens, drew up two rolls, one listing Cherokees by blood and the other listing freedmen, a roll of blacks regardless of whether they had Indian blood. Some opponents of the ballot question argued that attempts to remove freedmen from the tribe were motivated by racism. "I'm very disappointed that people bought into a lot of rhetoric and falsehoods by tribal leaders," said Marilyn Vann, president of the Oklahoma City-based Descendants of Freedmen of Five Civilized Tribes. Tribal officials said the vote was a matter of self-determination. "The Cherokee people exercised the most basic democratic right, the right to vote," tribal Principal Chief Chad Smith said. "Their voice is clear as to who should be citizens of the Cherokee Nation. No one else has the right to make that determination.' Smith said turnout — more than 8,700 — was higher than turnout for the tribal vote on the Cherokee Nation constitution four years ago. "On lots of issues, when they go to identity, they become things that people pay attention to," Smith said. The petition drive for the ballot measure followed a March 2006 ruling by the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court that said an 1866 treaty assured freedmen descendants of tribal citizenship. Since then, more than 2,000 freedmen descendants have enrolled as citizens of the tribe. Court challenges by freedmen descendants seeking to stop the election were denied, but a federal judge left open the possibility that the case could be refiled if Cherokees voted to lift their membership rights. Tribal spokesman Mike Miller said the period to protest the election lasts until March 12 and Cherokee courts are the proper venue for a challenge. Vann promised a protest within the next week. "We don't accept this fraudulent election," Vann said.

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NORCO - Residents on Pali Drive lingered in driveways and front lawns Friday afternoon as a spectacle unfolded at their neighbor's charred and roofless house. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A fire at the house Thursday led to authorities discovering more than one million rounds of ammunition, more than 125 guns and assault rifles, and 75 pounds of ammunition powder in the garage - as well as a mysterious underground tunnel. Since then, the typically quiet, burnt sienna house had been swarming with investigators from local, state and federal agencies. Police declined to release the owners' names Friday, but a record search of the property listed it as belonging to a Thomas and Sharon McKiernan. Gary Eppler, who lives across the street, saw smoke coming from the wood-shingled roof, so he went over and pulled his sleeping neighbor from the burning house. Eppler's wife, Linda, dialed 9-1-1. "He was passed out on the couch, and I got him out of the house," said Gary Eppler, a retired psychiatric nurse. "During the fire, we heard some of the bullets go off. And we heard a small explosion." Officials evacuated about a dozen neighbors' homes around 5 p.m. Thursday as a precaution. As initial shock subsided and they were allowed to return to their homes Friday at about 1 a.m., residents had nothing but praise and support for the homeowner they know as "Tom." "He wasn't a radical type of a person. He was very nice," said Sylvia Madruga, who has lived two houses away for 35 years. "If they were really rats, I'd be the first to say so. But they weren't. ... He's never done anything to hurt me, only to help me." Madruga said he frequently looked after her late mother when she was alive and lived in the house next door to him. He helped when there was a flat tire, for instance, and he didn't hesitate to come over and chase out a lizard if it wandered into her mother's house, Madruga said. Still, some questions remain - the amount of ammo, the number of guns and the tunnel. "I always felt safe around our neighborhood because I knew he had at least a couple guns," Madruga said. "I don't know what he had in mind ... if that was a bomb shelter, an escape or for hiding something. But I don't think he wanted to blow up the neighborhood." Neighbors "Tiny" and Jennifer Bosch said the man's affinity for weapons has been blown out of proportion by authorities. "I think he was just a collector. He was a quiet, good neighbor," Tiny Bosch said. "So the guy has a million rounds of ammo. Big deal. Most of your hunters have that." Riverside County sheriff's officials said the homeowner was transported to a local mental health facility. Witnesses said he was detained after struggling with authorities in front of his house Thursday while it was ablaze. Madruga said she was just thankful her neighbor wasn't injured in the fire. "Nobody's mad at him for having all that. Everyone's just glad he's all right and he's alive," Madruga said, though she admitted her granddaughter's bedroom being right next to a garage with weapons and ammunition did cause a bit of a scare. Eppler, too, appeared to be as forgiving as the rest. "We're more scared of a drug dealer with a gun than him," he said. "He was not a scary-type person ... just a really nice neighbor with a surprise cache of ammo."

from:Yahoo News Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth Ker Than LiveScience Staff Writer LiveScience.com Fri Mar 2, 3:05 PM ET Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the Arctic Ocean. The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in the planet’s deep mantle. The finding, made by Michael Wysession, a seismologist at Washington State University in St. Louis, and his former graduate student Jesse Lawrence, now at the University of California, San Diego, will be detailed in a forthcoming monograph to be published by the American Geophysical Union. Looking down deep The pair analyzed more than 600,000 seismograms—records of waves generated by earthquakes traveling through the Earth—collected from instruments scattered around the planet. They noticed a region beneath Asia where seismic waves appeared to dampen, or “attenuate,” and also slow down slightly. “Water slows the speed of waves a little,” Wysession explained. “Lots of damping and a little slowing match the predictions for water very well.” Previous predictions calculated that if a cold slab of the ocean floor were to sink thousands of miles into the Earth’s mantle, the hot temperatures would cause water stored inside the rock to evaporate out. “That is exactly what we show here,” Wysession said. “Water inside the rock goes down with the sinking slab and it’s quite cold, but it heats up the deeper it goes, and the rock eventually becomes unstable and loses its water.” The water then rises up into the overlying region, which becomes saturated with water. “It would still look like solid rock to you,” Wysession told LiveScience. “You would have to put it in the lab to find the water in it.” Although they appear solid, the composition of some ocean floor rocks is up to 15 percent water. “The water molecules are actually stuck in the mineral structure of the rock,” Wysession explained. “As you heat this up, it eventually dehydrates. It’s like taking clay and firing it to get all the water out.” The researchers estimate that up to 0.1 percent of the rock sinking down into the Earth’s mantle in that part of the world is water, which works out to about an Arctic Ocean’s worth of water. “That’s a real back of the envelope type calculation,” Wysession said. “That’s the best that we can do at this point.” The Beijing anomaly Wysession has dubbed the new underground feature the “Beijing anomaly,” because seismic wave attenuation was found to be highest beneath the Chinese capital city. Wysession first used the moniker during a presentation of his work at the University of Beijing. “They thought it was very, very interesting,” Wysession said. “China is under greater seismic risk than just about any country in the world, so they are very interested in seismology.” Water covers 70 percent of Earth’s surface and one of its many functions is to act like a lubricant for the movement of continental plates. “Look at our sister planet, Venus,” Wysession said. “It is very hot and dry inside Venus, and Venus has no plate tectonics. All the water probably boiled off, and without water, there are no plates. The system is locked up, like a rusty Tin Man with no oil.”

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/drruth.asp I knew there was something very likable about her.

So what are you going to do for an encore? Congrats Max!

Why did the USSR generals think invading France or Italy was a bad idea, then? Afraid of civilians armed with garlic? For fear that the beautiful weather and the even warmer comradeship would be enough to make the men desert en mass.

BIYT Oh that's right you were there and that wasn't said I guess you are calling that now retired Colonel a liar right?

I thought you it was a little hat!

Milla Jovovich

"Good morning Mr. President, good morning Mrs. Clinton" (colonel carrying the football) Hillary: "Fuck you!, you will call me madam president!"

Reagan was a Truman democrat, not a roosevelt dem.

hey bungalo Bill...

Did you question whether democracy was a mistake? Or make statements to show yourself a bit of a communist or socialist? Did you go from being a wannabe hard line republican to being a far left liberal democrat?

Sickening

yep you are smarter than anyone in the whole wide world. I consider everyone better trained and smarter than I will ever be.

Gonna get a meprolight or a HUD for it? Meprolight is very slimline and does not raise the cheek weld BTW

How long have you been out of the Pen?

Reagan maight be spinning in his grave while kennedy is near. Isn't consecrated ground enough to repel Ted?

I meant the bbl

How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis ‘A stupid political decision,’ says her former Wellesley poli-sci professor By Bill Dedman Investigative reporter Updated: 6:52 a.m. CT March 2, 2007 WELLESLEY, Mass. - Hillary Rodham Clinton's political science professor said he'd give the tactic an "F." It was early 1993, in the first days of the Clinton administration, when Hillary Clinton's friend and former thesis adviser at Wellesley College took the phone call that would land him in the middle of a political intrigue. "I got a call from someone at the White House — I don't remember who — shortly after the inauguration, saying the Clintons had decided not to release her thesis," professor Alan H. Schechter told MSNBC.com. "I said, 'Why? It's a good thesis.' I got some mumbo jumbo about how they were beginning to work on health care and she had criticized Sen. Moynihan in the thesis, and didn't want to alienate him.'" In fact, the thesis from 1969 contains not a negative word about Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the Democratic senator from New York, and Schechter allows that the real source of fear must have been the subject of the academic paper: Chicago radical organizer Saul Alinsky. ‘Quite naive’ "I argued with them that they should release it," the emeritus professor said in the telephone interview from North Carolina, one stop on his tour of Wellesley alumnae groups to discuss their favorite topic these days, the political development of Hillary Clinton. "The more you hide something, the more people will want it," Schechter said. "It was a stupid political decision, obviously, at the time." Schechter, a Clinton supporter who has contributed money to her campaigns, said that hiding the thesis, which got an "A" grade, was one of many "quite naive" decisions by the Clintons in those early days — he also lists making gays in the military the first priority, and trying to do too much with her health care plan. But liberals, he said — and he counts himself among them — tend to overreach instead of taking the incremental approach. After the call from the White House, Wellesley's president, Nannerl Overholser Keohane, consulted with lawyers and closed access to any thesis written by a U.S. president or first lady, a rule affecting only Hillary D. Rodham's thesis. Keohane moved on later that year to be president of Duke University, and now is a visiting professor at Princeton, where she teaches political philosophy, leadership and feminist theory. An Arkansan who was eight years ahead of Hillary Rodham at Wellesley, Keohane is a regular contributor to Democratic candidates and to a congressional PAC that gives exclusively to Democrats, including Hillary Clinton. When MSNBC.com called Keohane last week at Princeton to ask about the thesis, she replied, "I have no memory of this," and hung up the phone. To give her time to gather her thoughts, MSNBC.com e-mailed questions to her, and she replied, "I do not recall this situation, and cannot help you with this issue. You will need to rely on the people at Wellesley who are more current on this issue than I am." Wellesley's assistant vice president for public affairs, Mary Ann Hill, told MSNBC.com that she had no information on whether the action was requested by the Clintons. Keohane closed access to that thesis in early 1993, Hill said, because "there was enough ambiguity about the application of copyright law, and the decision was made to err on the side of caution." The policy was reiterated in writing in 1995, Hill said, by the current president of the college, Diana Chapman Walsh. Three classes ahead of Hillary Rodham at Wellesley, Walsh also is a regular contributor to Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton. The life of the thesis out of the closet could be short-lived. If Clinton won the presidency, under the policy her thesis would again go back under wraps. Hill said that if Clinton were elected, the college would probably re-evaluate what policy was best. ‘It is available at Wellesley’ MSNBC.com asked Sen. Clinton, through her office and presidential campaign staff, whether she would consent to an interview to discuss the thesis and whether she would give permission for MSNBC.com to publish the paper in full. Her Senate staff declined the interview request, and her presidential campaign staff did not reply. As for allowing the thesis to be published, Clinton's senatorial spokesman, Philippe Reines, said in an e-mail, "You need to contact Wellesley about their policy regarding the release of student work, and seek permission from them." Of course, as Wellesley pointed out, it's the author, not the college, who holds the copyright. When asked why the Clinton White House had wanted the thesis hidden from the first generation of Clinton biographers, Reines would neither confirm nor deny that the Clintons had requested Wellesley's action. Instead he referred to the current situation. "Senator Clinton's thesis is available to the public, as is any other Wellesley graduate. If someone wants to read it, it is available at Wellesley." Besides being available for reading, but not copying, at the Wellesley archives (on the fourth floor of the library, Monday through Friday), the thesis can be read at your local library — one library at a time, that is. A single copy, on microfilm, can be ordered from Wellesley on a 30-day interlibrary loan. While the traveling copy raises the possibility that someone could check out the microfilm, photocopy it or retype it, and post the text on the Internet, doing so would run the risk of a lawsuit. The document has copyright protection, though not because the front of the library's copy is marked "c 1969 Hillary D. Rodham." That note, in a different typeface than the manuscript itself, was added by the university's archivist, Wilma Slaight. "I added that in 1992," Slaight acknowledged. "That was my attempt to indicate that she might have copyright protection." The attempt was unnecessary, said a copyright specialist, professor Laura N. Gasaway of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. With or without the mark, an unpublished work is protected as soon as it's written, and the protection extends until 70 years after the author's death, Gasaway said. Readers can comment on the thesis, or publish limited quotations from it, but anyone who publishes the text could be liable for statutory damages of up to $150,000. Of course, it's not clear whether a presidential candidate would want to draw even more attention to her writings on an old radical by suing. © 2007 MSNBC Interactive

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‘A fundamental disagreement’ Hillary Rodham (who wasn't the valedictorian of the Wellesley class of '69, no matter what Wikipedia has said since July 9, 2005) was indeed an honors student and received an A on the thesis after her oral defense of it that May, recalls professor Schechter, who was one of the three graders.

She fought to have it sea;ed and it was done so by wellesly and now it is out in the opne and she will have to scurry like a cockroach when the lights come on! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/from/ET/