flyclearjohn

I generally find it to be good practice to at least meet a person before throwing out absurd psychological diagnoses. Damn, it's not like I made any comments concerning phallic fixation and guns.

I resent your remarks and think that if anything...your ASSumptions have lead me to believe that you have some issues yourself......You are quite funny...sounds to me like you don't like to hear that your little friends are being questioned in terms of their medical opinions......And I am the one who has issues?!?! Good to know...at least you were honest before making stupid comments...

The special master appointed by the court in this case gave a TV interview a couple of nights ago in which he said that the complaints about Michael had been exhaustively investigated and not only were all the complaints found to be baseless in fact, Michael had been actively involved in his wife's rehab for years and consistently pushed for more therapy and even experimental treatment modalities. At one point, a rehab facility even considered filing for a restraining order because he was hounding the medical staff to do more. After seven years of exhausting every treatment option available, he finally accepted the unanimous medical opinion (until her parents started bringing in their own right to life docs, most of whom were united by one common characteristic ...they never examined the patient) that there was no hope for recovery. It seems that perhaps there are abandonment issues here that are tripping your emotional trigger on this issue. Now, I've never met any of the principals here, but I have known and worked with four of the docs directly involved in the case here in St Pete. Without exception they have agreed on two things. 1) There is no hope for recovery ...NONE! 2) Michael Schiavo did everything in his power to support his wife's recovery. I'm assuming her parents acted with love and good intent, but they were out of control and I'm content the courts did a good job on the issues. I hope all will eventually find peace. John

What's really sad is due to the extreme and persistant actions of her parents, I can't imagine a physician prescribing sedation or analgesia for fear of being branded a murderer and tied up with lawsuits for years to come.

The fact that no course of action to identify as a threat or identify as a non-threat was taken until the potential threat had closed the distance. In a situation like the one stated time and distance is your best friend and your saving grace. A couple quick tricks...on second thought no. I'm not giving out self defense techniques on the internet. The liability is too great. If you got some self defense training then you would know some solutions that could buy you time to get away or how to fully engage the situation (even without a weapon) and hopefully come out on top. However, 1 self defense class does not make someone who can defend themselves. Just like 1 tandem does not make a skydiver, although you will now be more aware of the situation and what some general course of actions might be. In her example, she identified a potential threat and took two measures to minimize it. She moved into a lighted path and attempted to increase her distance from the potential threat. Rather than focus on her 'painfully obvious lack of a clue and complete lack of training' or general advice to take a self defense class, what, specifically, would you have her do? You already nixed the drawing down on the potential threat in another response (which, I believe, validated her point). What benefit was obtained from carrying a gun? I'm not trying to beat up on you here, brother. I just don't see a valid objection to her senario and your concern about liability for pointers is, well, I don't believe we really need to go there now do we? John

Its painfully obvious that you have no clue on how to conduct yourself in a situation in which your life may or may not be in jeopordy. I highly suggest you look for a self defense class that would cater to your ability and complete lack of training to get you up to speed, otherwise you will make the mistakes you just made explaining your scenerio. I don't understand your disagreement, Dave. Splain it to us, please.

First, allow me to apologize for the rather strident tone of my initial response to you. The massive amounts of 'information' being put out by people pushing their own agendas makes it all too easy to repeat it in good faith. The withdrawal of supportive care happens every day throughout our country. It is usually with much older patients and certainly without the drama attendant in this case. In the early years of my practice, I stayed with the family, at the bedside, primarily because I had grave doubts about how humane the process was. I now have no such doubts. I am as certain as anyone not actually experiencing it can be, Terri will not suffer. I sincerely wish that with the end to Terri's suffering, her parents and all involved can move on with their own healing process. John

You could not have any experience or involvement in this type of situation for it is simply not true. Now this, is pure bullshit! As repugnant as it may seem to you, they fade away, quietly and (from all clinical observations) peacefully. I've been involved with several families after the decision to withdraw all support has been made. I personally know of no such incidents, not am I aware of anything in the literature supporting such crap. You've got to be trolling.

February 25, 1990 Terri Schiavo suffers cardiac arrest, apparently caused by a potassium imbalance and leading to brain damage due to lack of oxygen. She was taken to the Humana Northside Hospital and was later given a percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy (PEG) to provide nutrition and hydration. May 12, 1990 Terri Schiavo is discharged from the hospital and taken to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. June 18, 1990 Court appoints Michael Schiavo as guardian; Terri Schiavo’s parents do not object. June 30, 1990 Terri Schiavo is transferred to Bayfront Hospital for further rehabilitation efforts. September 1990 Terri Schiavo’s family brings her home, but three weeks later they return her to the College Park facility because the family is “overwhelmed by Terri’s care needs.” November 1990 Michael Schiavo takes Terri Schiavo to California for experimental “brain stimulator” treatment, an experimental “thalamic stimulator implant” in her brain. January 1991 The Schiavos return to Florida; Terri Schiavo is moved to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon where she receives 24-hour care. July 19, 1991 Terri Schiavo is transferred to Sable Palms skilled care facility where she receives continuing neurological testing, and regular and aggressive speech/occupational therapy through 1994. May 1992 Terri Schiavo’s parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, and Michael Schiavo stop living together. August 1992 Terri Schiavo is awarded $250,000 in an out-of-court medical malpractice settlement with one of her physicians. November 1992 The jury in the medical malpractice trial against another of Terri’s physicians awards more than one million dollars. In the end, after attorneys’ fees and other expenses, Michael Schiavo received about $300,000 and about $750,000 was put in a trust fund specifically for Terri Schiavo’s medical care. February 14, 1993 Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers have a falling-out over the course of therapy for Terri Schiavo; Michael Schiavo claims that the Schindlers demand that he share the malpractice money with them. ...and it all slides down hill from here. Brother, You're pretty emotionally wound up on this issue. A look at the timeline convinces me her husband was actively and aggressively involved in her attempted rehabilitation before accepting the reality of the situation. I feel for her parents, but they are emotionally out of control on the issue and I believe their emotional issues should not prolong the indignity and suffering that is their daughters life. I've evaluated many hundreds of patients for supportive measures to be withdrawn and had a rep (somewhat undeserved, I think) for being overly resistant to doing so. I felt it was such a grave step that I wanted to be absolutely clear there was no hope and always chose to err on the 'safe' side of the issue. If asked, I suspect I would certify that there was absolutely no hope of recovery in Ms. Schiavo's case and have no nagging doubts about the decision. If I were Terri's advocate, I would allow her peace. John

Fukin well done!!!

She reacts to aversive stimulus so it's a good assumption she feels pain and discomfort. How many more years of would you subject her to simply because her parents are unable to let go? I don't know her 'so-called' husband but I'm going to assume his intentions are hororable and he is following Teri's wishes for he has absolutely nothing to gain here. Rest in Peace (finally), Teri. John

He is a blasphemer and must suffer the wrath of the gods that be! Personally, I think burning him at the stake would be more humane (and entertaining) but the rules here don't quite allow it. So some will continue to peck at him till he dies or goes away. Pretty much the way all cultures do it, actually. Seriously, I agree with you, people need to lighten up and find ways to improve their group status that do not involve picking on the unpopular. Cut the newbie some slack. John

This movie hit sooo close to home. Watched it list night and cried my eyes out. Dreamed about it and woke up crying. Tears are forming now as I type. A most thoroughly wonderful movie and love story. John

If I were her father, I would hope I could rise above my own selfish desires and allow a peaceful end to a daily existence that offers no hope for my daughter's recovery. John

Interesting. I found myself wondering if the 42% who would quit really understand the potential danger in our sport.

You got a real pretty mouth, boy.

Well I'm 22 and I'm not like that, and I know several guys close to my age who aren't like that, so does that make me part of the lucky (or unlucky) .01%? I'll vouch for the turtle too, he's not like that......(even though he talks a lot of shit ).....is he under 35? Now on that I can agree with you. I've seen many guys give the "I'm a nice guy" vibe to get laid and then shrug the girl off. Wow, now THAT would be a great day, lol!! Good wishful thinking, but I'm still under the impression that 90% of the time, nice guys finish last. Sometimes that can be a good thing, but most of the time....... Either way, it's all good!! It's better to be a single nice guy than an asshole spoken for. Great! You won't get 'your share' of the silicone breasted, stylishly dressed, ever so popular women but if a worthwhile, genuinely good woman comes along, she will appreciate who you are. Be a good man, brother. For the most part, you won't be rewarded for it but at the end of the day, it's all that really counts.

Ya know, not all guys are like that. Absolutely! Only about 99.99% of all guys under age 35 are like that. Most can't see it as they are selectively blinded by testosterone poisoning. Very few are actually "nice guys" (using the definition of openness and honesty in potential sexual encounters) , The overwhelming majority pander the image to get laid. It will remain this way until both genders abandon the game and make choices based on character rather than ritualistic dance and coloration.

Not a consideration? The "clearly visable from the Clara Barton Parkway" is incidental and just happens to be the most strategic placement? Do you want somethign dangerous getting clsoe to your sensitve locations if your trying to protect it? Think rings or layers of protection. The object(s) being protected may not be as blatently obvious as one might think. Is that a 'Yes'?

There is not honor in dying, just death. And death is permanent. Some of the people here need a reality check. Sparky What, the reality of quitting and waiting to die from ass cancer? Don't know anything about honor in death but of all the deaths I've seen (far too many) skydiving just about tops the list preferred ways to go. Live life while you can. If it kills you, at least you have lived.

Not a consideration? The "clearly visable from the Clara Barton Parkway" is incidental and just happens to be the most strategic placement?

Agreed on both points. It should apply to only about 99.99% and it is clearly a woman's choice to work as she chooses. Men involved in relationships with strippers, however, have some serious issues of their own.

Did you ever try to pry apart a grilled cheese sandwich???

I dunno but I find it hard to trust anyone who sneaks around at 5 in the morning checking "SELL BY" dates on the milk containers And I'm up by 7 votes You're probably up by more than that when you consider 'Hell yes, I'm voting for the woman' factor.

I haven't - and that's not a lie! Why, might you ask? Well, when you wanna know how good a car is, do you spend ages looking at the manual and gawping at the size of you engine, or do you take it for a ride and see what you can do with the thing? OK, five.