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Climate aside, one of the things I miss most about living in Hawaii is how everyone was a minority. Before I first went over there, I was warned about how the native Hawaiians hated whites, how the Japanese hated whites, etc. My experience was that race had little to do with how I was treated. If I was respectful, I was treated respectfully, regardless of the race of the person I was interacting with. Since then, I've found that to be generally true with everyone, everywhere, regardless of the person's race, religion or political ideology. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

What evidence was that? The Wikipedia article that even the editors claimed was not an accurate reflection of the topic, or the two page Time article that refuted your argument as much as it supported it? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I've not switched up. I readily acknowledged that I don't have sufficient information about Saudi Arabia. Nor has such information been provided in this thread. I have no reason to believe that Islam fundamentalists are anything other than a fringe phenomenon in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere, and without credible evidence to the contrary, it would not be logical for me to reject that hypothesis. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Forgive me if I don't consider a two page article in Time magazine to be a credible primary source of information about a culture that Americans are largely ignorant of. Having said that, I read the article, and it doesn't paint the same bleak picture you've been attempting to paint. Yeah, that's not too bad. After all, "extremism is, by definition, a fringe phenomenon." Don't look now, but your selected quote does little to support your assertion that a significant proportion of Saudi Arabians are radicals. If you read the article, it also says the Saudi government has been taking steps to crack down on extremism. All in all, it's a pretty non-conclusive article, at least as far as this discussion is concerned. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Forgive me if I don't consider a two page article in Time magazine to be a credible primary source of information about a culture that Americans are largely ignorant of. Having said that, I read the article, and it doesn't paint the same bleak picture you've been attempting to paint. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Good starting points: Carl Jung Collective unconscious Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Jung seemed to believe so. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I think she was making a Bushism. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I've never been to Saudi Arabia, and have never claimed to have made such observations. In lieu of credible evidence to the contrary, I'm not going to accept that the majority of citizens in Saudi Arabia are radical fundamentalist Muslims; it's not probable. Have you been over there in, say, the last decade? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Breakfast must have sucked in the Air Force. When I was in the Army, a typical (garrison) breakfast consisted of: Eggs, choice of fried to order, scrambled or omelette to order (with any combination of several filler items, such as ham, cheese, onions, tomatoes, green peppers, etc.) choice of hash browns or home fries choice of oatmeal or grits choice of sausage, bacon, ham or biscuits and sausage gravy choice of french toast or pancakes pastries fresh fruit (whole and cut) cold cereal milk (2%, whole or chocolate) Orange juice Coffee toast and english muffins Lunch was just as good, with steak and shrimp every Friday. Dinner was usually lunch leftovers. Dinner and lunch both had short order lines, also, for burgers, hot dogs and fries. We ate damn well when we weren't in the field. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Congrats. Which beach? Edit: Don't forget to check out The Garden Of Eden (roof of The Bull) while you're there. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

We don't have many good sources readily available to us, which is a big part of the problem. Our best sources of information are those that have been there, and made their own observations with an open mind. Another significant problem is that the term Wahhabi is considered by many to be pejorative. Would you expect to find unbiased information on Mexican immigration into the US by googling wetback? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Not at all. I've been making an active attempt to not hijack threads if at all possible. The topic of discussion and the topic of the thread were sufficiently different to justify the new thread, IMO. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

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From your source: The neutrality of this article is disputed. About the only thing the editors seem to agree on is that the article is inaccurate. You should probably take the claims within with a grain of salt. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Extremism is, by definition, a fringe phenomenon. Still, we're talking about a region, not one or two specific countries. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

As indicated by the civil unrest caused by the assassination of the opposition candidate? Or the defeat of Musharraf in the recent elections? If there just as bad as Saudi Arabia, that would indicate that extremism does not make up the majority belief in either country. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

How about right here http://www.jfednepa.org/mark%20silverberg/wahhabi.html Sorry, but that's not evidence indicating majority of their population Muslim extremists. It also fails to address the rest of the Middle East, only Saudi Arabia. We have lots of Christian extremists in the US, but that doesn't make them the majority of our population. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I agree with that statement, but the test seems to be very biased towards libertarianism in the manner in which questions are asked. The site obviously has that apparent bias, also. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Do you have evidence that would indicate otherwise, especially considering that Saudi Arabia is but one Middle Eastern nation? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

You're just full of clever ways to avoid questions today. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Actually we do. But here, like over there, "scores of religious and educational institutions" are still a tiny minority. Perhaps you've not heard of the Christian Identity movement? The Christian Identity movement is a movement of many extremely conservative Christian churches and religious organizations, extreme right wing political groups and survival groups. Some are independent; others are loosely interconnected. According to Professor Michael Barkun, one of the leading experts in the Christian Identity movement, "This virulent racist and anti-Semitic theology, which is practiced by over 50,000 people in the United States alone, is prevalent among many right wing extremist groups and has been called the 'glue' of the racist right." From the FBI's Project Megiddo: Christian Identity is an ideology which asserts that the white Aryan race is God’s chosen race and that whites comprise the ten lost tribes of Israel. [19] There is no single document that expresses this belief system. Adherents refer to the Bible to justify their racist ideals. Interpreting the Book of Genesis, Christian Identity followers assert that Adam was preceded by other, lesser races, identified as “the beasts of the field” (Gen. 1:25). Eve was seduced by the snake (Satan) and gave birth to two seed lines: Cain, the direct descendent of Satan and Eve, and Able, who was of good Aryan stock through Adam. Cain then became the progenitor of the Jews in his subsequent matings with the non-Adamic races. Christian Identity adherents believe the Jews are predisposed to carry on a conspiracy against the Adamic seed line and today have achieved almost complete control of the earth. [20] This is referred to as the two-seedline doctrine, which provides Christian Identity followers with a biblical justification for hatred. … The radical right encompasses a vast number and variety of groups, such as survivalists, militias, the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, Christian Identity churches, the AN and skinheads. These groups are not mutually exclusive and within the subculture individuals easily migrate from one group to another. This intermixing of organizations makes it difficult to discern a singular religious ideology or belief system that encompasses the right-wing. Nevertheless, Christian Identity is the most unifying theology for a number of these diverse groups and one widely adhered to by white supremacists. It is a belief system that provides its members with a religious basis for racism and an ideology that condones violence against non-Aryans. This doctrine allows believers to fuse religion with hate, conspiracy theories, and apocalyptic fear of the future. Christian Identity-inspired millennialism has a distinctly racist tinge in the belief that Armageddon will be a race war of Aryans against Jews and nonwhites. It's not difficult to find support for individual domestic terrorists whose actions were religiously motivated. From the June 2, 2003 New York Times: Betty Howard made many people happy today, and it was not for her daily special. Around noon, Mrs. Howard walked outside, glanced up at the sign in front of her diner and decided to change the lettering on the marquee from ''Roast Turkey Baked Ham'' to ''Pray for Eric Rudolph.'' ''Bless his heart,'' Mrs. Howard said. ''Eric needs our help.'' Mrs. Howard said she was going to start an Eric Rudolph legal defense fund. Many customers have already said they would chip in. See picture of sign. From The Southern Poverty Law Center: Rudolph, the alleged bomber of abortion clinics, a gay bar and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, may have had some help. As revealed five years ago by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Rudolph had ties to the anti-Semitic theology of Christian Identity, a faith with adherents in the North Carolina mountains and elsewhere. When he took a large supply of food from a local health food owner, it took the man two days to report to the authorities his encounter with one of the most wanted fugitives in U.S. history. Officials suspect that other locals may have left food or clothing out for Rudolph. Plainly, there was much regional sympathy for Rudolph's violent opposition to abortion. … Eric Rudolph did have support of another kind — moral support, from the radical right that saw him as an Aryan hero, the many locals who strongly oppose abortion, and his own mother, who played a key role in introducing him to Christian Identity leaders in North Carolina and Missouri. As much as he may have been a loner, Eric Rudolph was not alone. He was acquainted with people who had similar beliefs, and he adopted many of them. Some have suggested that Rudolph's ideology was merely a "smoke screen" for his "real" motives — a desire to taunt the police or anger at the outlawing of laetrile, a bogus cancer treatment sought by Rudolph's dying father. But the evidence clearly points to the fact that he was a true believer. From Extremist Chatter Praises Eric Rudolph As Hero "What some hatemongers and extremists are saying is, this person is a hero whose crusade against abortion and the government is noble and praiseworthy," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "What is even more troubling is that some of the chatter is calling for violence or lone-wolf acts to be carried out in Rudolph's name. Others are using the arrest as an excuse to spread twisted conspiracy theories about Jews. As we have seen in the past, this can be a dangerous mix." America has her share of extremists, and those who support them. They're not a majority, by any stretch of the imagination, but they do make up substantial numbers, nonetheless. Some of those supporters even have their own supporters: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." -Ann Coulter Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Hey, they're your rose colored glasses. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Forgive me. I thought perhaps you might offer some actual insight or ideas. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

In the seven and a half years immediately preceding the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center, how many times did al Qaeda touch the mainland? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!