DaVinci

You said: Why should the City of Chicago be willing to stand by and allow unregulated gun sales to any loon who walks into a gun shop. And the clear point is they don't.... There is already a law about that and has been since 1968. The point is since 1968 there has been a FEDERAL law saying that "loon's" can not walk into a gunshop and buy a gun. You clearly didn't know that, otherwise you would not have made your earlier comment. ---- And that's fine to not know something. You may not have ever bothered to look into it before. But it does make your position look weaker when you make claims that are not true. They run a background check when you try to enlist. If you have any issues, they must be resolved before you are allowed to enlist. The list is almost identical to the one used for to buy a gun. So the checklist is the same (basically) to buy a gun as it is to enlist. During Basic there is very little, if any, official screening. Your DS/DI can recommend additional screening. During service your COC can recommend additional screening and during and after deployments additional screening is offered and sometimes mandated. But it is a very simple question and answer session. And in the case of the Ft Hood shooter.... he WAS a psychiatrist. And you have still have issues and this is with an organization that basically "owns" you. So to try and model that for civilians would be impossible and unconstitutional.

That does not change the fact you are making statements that are not based in anything but emotion. You clearly have a case of confirmation bias. That is where you only see what you WANT to see and ignore anything that proves you wrong. I brought up the ACLU as a comparison to your claim of the NRA and KKK. I don't actually hold that belief. I *DO* think the ACLU has the wrong position on the 2nd.... I base that on their own comments: "The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right." And how they do not support gun rights at the national level (there are a few cases of local ACLU groups fighting for gun rights, the the national org is anti gun). YOU made the claim that they are the same... It is up to YOU to provide the proof of your claim. I have provided proof against your claim of the NRA being in bed with the KKK already. And again, A = B does not mean B = A. I like to skydive and like guns. You like to skydive and like guns. We are not the same in other issues. So the claim that "USPA members are pro gun" is not true.... But you are trying to make that type of claim.

That has been the case since 1968. 1994 added misdemeanor domestic violence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ And there has been.... since 1968. You don't really know gun laws do you? So I guess you are cool now huh? I thought: "I'm not an expert on the military or in psychological evaluation" ????? So which is it? Do you know, or don't you know how the military does it? You clearly have no idea about gun laws. You clearly have no clue about FFL's either.

We don't agree. Amazon: The NRA supports the KKK and all the members of the KKK belong to the NRA DaVinci: Some members of the KKK belong to the NRA, but that does not mean that the NRA supports the KKK. So we don't agree.... You are making a grand emotional jump based only on opinion with no data.... Even in the face of data that proves you wrong. False.... Following your logic, then Criminals support the NRA as well. This is where you should provide data to back up your position.... you know like a statement from the NRA supporting the KKK or something. I don't know.... do you? Or are you just assuming an answer that supports your opinion without any data?

And how about a shrink sign off to skydive or drive a car? You OK with those as well? Maybe YOU should know those answers before you try to make a point. I know the answer having served.

You forgot to answer the questions.... Here they are again: "would you be OK with grounding a skydiver that was depressed until a judge said he was safe? Would you prevent a depressed person from driving a car till a judge said he was fine? "

Yes one group gets upset about beer restrictions but is fine with gun restrictions.... Perfectly logical

So I guess you would have supported the Dred Scott ruling back then?

From your own source: So the ORIGINATOR of the quote had several different versions.

You did not answer the third question, you avoided it. "#3 Do you believe Chicago's ban is legal and should be upheld on remand to lower court? " Your answer was not an answer, it was a delay.

And would you be OK with grounding a skydiver that was depressed until a judge said he was safe? Would you prevent a depressed person from driving a car till a judge said he was fine? A judge is not an MD.

I asked you to clarify YOUR question. If you are unwilling to provide it.... Don't expect people to be able to answer YOUR question. You have asked the same of others..... so you should be willing to answer when it is asked of you.

More data than you have provided. You have provided nothing but emotional opinion. Your job to provide data to support your position. But the fact still stands.... The NRA supports politicians that support the 2nd. That is different than your emotional claim that you have been unable to support. That has nothing to do with your claim. Well that is a step in the right direction... Admitting that it is only your personal observations is a big thing. But personal opinions do not equal fact. I thank you for your opinion.... I just wish you had stated that before and not acted like your personal opinion was a fact. Are there people that are members of the NRA that are also members of the KKK???? I don't know for sure, but it would be a fair assumption. But that is a FAR cry from claiming the NRA supports the KKK. And that is all I was trying to get you to admit.

Felons are not allowed certain rights.... Such as voting and owning a firearm. No issue there. "Loonies" is much more difficult. Who would get to decide who was a "loony"? Some would consider any skydiver crazy. So you will have to better define your question for any real answer.

And you are helping by?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Your constant posting in gun threads does not support that statement.

I never said that or implied that....Again, you are just making up things to support your position. Again, you have not shown ONE shred of data to back up your emotional position. But hey, don't let facts get into your mind. Ya know like how DEMOCRAT Byrd was a member of the KKK? But hey... that's just the FACTS not unsubstantiated opinion. The ONLY accurate thing you have said. I think you may be grasping something yet. Well, you blew it. BTW here are some more facts.... A quick Google has provided these Democrats that receive funding from the NRA: Jason Altmire (PA); Joe Baca (CA); John Barrow (GA); Marion Berry (AR); Sanford Bishop (GA); John Boccieri (OH); Dan Boren (OK); Leonard Boswell (IA); Rick Boucher (VA); Allen Boyd (FL); Bobby Bright (AL); Chris Carney (PA); Ben Chandler (KY); Jerry Costello (IL); Henry Cuellar (TX); Lincoln Davis (TN); John Dingell (MI); Joe Donnelly (IN); Chet Edwards (TX); Brad Ellsworth (IN); Bart Gordon (TN); Gene Green (TX); Deborah Halvorson (IL); Martin Heinrich (NM); Brian Higgins (NY); Baron Hill (IN); Tim Holden (PA); Steve Kagen (WI); Paul Kanjorski (PA); Larry Kissell (NC); Frank Kratovil (MD); Jim Marshall (GA); Jim Matheson (UT); Mike McIntyre (NC); Mike Michaud (ME); Alan Mollohan (WV); Scott Murphy (NY); Glenn Nye (VA); David Obey (WI); Tom Perriello (VA); Collin Peterson (MN); Earl Pomeroy (ND); Nick Rahall (WV); Mike Ross (AR); Tim Ryan (OH); John Salazar (CO); Heath Shuler (NC); Ike Skelton (MO); Zachary Space (OH); Bart Stupak (MI); Gene Taylor (MS); Timothy Walz (MN); Charlie Wilson (OH). More DATA that shows your emotional position is not backed and just silly. So, once again.... You have nothing but emotion opinions backed by nothing. But don't let facts influence you.....

Except you have been unable to prove any of it. Thus your claim is EXACTLY like the claim I made earlier... Except you actually believe it and I just used it to show how silly your position is. See a position without any evidence is just an opinion. To continue to make that claim without evidence is the sign of a personal issue. No, you claimed the MAJORITY is what you want to try and claim. You are unable to back that position up with anything more than just emotional based opinion. You do realize that the *NRA* only really cares about the 2nd amendment positions? It is kinda THE WHOLE REASON THEY EXIST!!!!! If you are looking to the NATIONAL RIFE ASSOC to tell you what candidate they support in reference to Abortion or some other NON 2nd issue.... You seem to have missed the whole point of the organization... Your position would be like bitching at a gay rights group for not supporting your position on Alcohol use. Show where I have supported the "American Taliban" or admit that you are unable to find it and you are just making shit up.... again. You seem to make accusations more than you bring proof of anything.

#1. Not using the NRA as a source. #2. They are not phony and you are unable to prove they are. *I* on the other hand were able to prove your claims false when you claimed Gandhi, Jesus, and Mandela would not approve of being armed. See, I provided DATA to dispel your claim. YOU have only repeated the same BS over and over. Can you provide ANY proof of your claim that those quotes are phony? If not, then you have nothing other than some phony claim. I am not asking you to prove a negative... I am asking you to prove your claim that the quotes provided are "phony". YOU made that claim, it is up to you to back up your claim, or at least admit that you are unable.

True... But as long as you just make BS up without anything to back it up.... Expect to get called on it.

Or you could just use facts instead of things you just made up!

Zell is a Dem. Not according to what you were saying earlier. "you will find a WHOLE lot of KKK and C of CC types as members of the NRA" "many of your good ole boys would be voting for on election Tuesdays... after those fun BBQ on Satruday nights. " Now if you had said, "Some members of the KKK are members of the NRA" You would not be painting with the broad brush you like to paint with... It is only AFTER you are called for spreading BS that you changed your tune.....

Not hard to find...... Let Me Google That for You And now you can pick your source. Here is one (the first one that came up for me)

Got my education in University... Not from some insulting person on the internet. Childish insults the best you can do? It sure seems that way.