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explained in the sfly manual: http://www.bkpc.co.uk/media/6745/s-fly-expert-userguide.pdf

Exactly my thoughts. So much spot on. I think the Freak is some sort of a milestone for the wingsuit sport, if you could ever say that about a particular suit from a particular vendor. Fun factor included is higher than ever seen before.

Freak is a completely different animal compared to the Funk or similar suits; so the Funk is a high performance intermediate class suit, and it feels just like that flying it. Freak on the other hand is a high performance class suit, you feel the Colugo2 power dna, only this suit has been tweaked to become extremely agile and absurdly easy to fly. That's how it feels flying it, comparing to the C2. Squirrel says that performance has been sacrificed a little in order to get these properties, but I have as good performance on the Freak as I have on the C2. I have extensive experience on the Funk and the C2 and I just got the Freak. So to help people get their heads around this; Funk is a flocking/acro/camera/instructor suit. The Freak is a purebred racing machine based on the C2, and invisible to the eye it has a lot of tweaks that adds loads of agility. Hope this helps, someone..

My freak has that color. I'll post you a pic

So you use the s-biner's size 0 on the back and then the zipper modification on the front?

I believe this is the new Ghost, while I'm sure it's going to be a great suit it's probably not going to be a huge amount more performance over the Havok the OP is already using. True. Still the OP might want that progression and as for PF they don't have other suits in that class atm

You can compete flying the Carve in the intermediate class (http://ppc.paralog.net/suits.php). If your question is more related to "I want a bigger performance suit and start competing in that", I would suggest a suit from the new "small-bigsuit" class, like Squirrel Colugo2 or Freak, PF Hunter (soon avail) or Tonysuit Foghead or R-Bird2. Way easier to fly than the huge performance suits and people are using these smaller suits in competitions quite successfully

As has already been mentioned, spinlettos are probl. the worst choice one can do. Squirrel SkySnatch works fine with any kind of skydiving and it comes with a bridle also. I use a 30" SkySnatch for my Storm 150.

I would always mount it somewhere on the back of the helmet, never inside or on the side. It's described in the manual, where to put it. I follow pricedures and I time the warm-up precisely, 15 min's. The Flysight needs this amount of time, no less ,no more. It needs it because it is downloading data. If you turn it off to soon, download of data might be incomplete. If you do things by the book, you will be better off. It never failed me even once and I use it on every jump.

If you testfly suits from 1, 2 or 3 manufactorers, suits that appear to have the same inventions or just look alike, if you then find they are flying completely different, there would be no point really in saying this vendor put these things on their suits first. Similar looking suits from the vendors mentioned, flies surprisingly different. And this is when you find the suit that *you* like. Valid point IMO is that Tony apparently laid out the general overall cut of the bigsuits, then each vendor added nice things here and there that all the other vendors then say "hey that cool, I will do that also, but will tweak it and improve further". And thanks to the US, we now have germany leading the EU now (your comment is more hollywood thinking, whereas this saying is the reality) ;-)

hundreds of jumps on the Havok and did aprox 30'ish on the Carve. They look pretty much the same on the ground indeed. In the air the feel is very different. The good old Havok is gentle and forgiving, the Carve is like a pumped competition-thing, it upped quite a bit in performance (at least 20%) due to thicker wings and a refined profile. The legwing area is what I felt as the biggest difference btw the 2 suits, the org. Havok a bit sluggish and the Carve reacting immediately to input, but it wants a specific feet angling kind of "duckfeet position". Both suits are top suits. My 2 cents.

what OS do you have Windows 7 or 8.x. Windows 7 works best....... Any Try mail Michael @ flysight

Let's be open minded towards improvements in gear, even small improvements. Lets see the video documentation. I know they are working on a skydiving/kill-line edition

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=upt+semi+stowless :)

14 years old, and doing really bad, for years, in the "dick" and "girls" departments, hence the Virgin...something name

people "debating" are pretty anonymous here on this forum, trolls? yeah, so there age is unknow really; VB are you 14 or 15 years old? I can't make up my mind

Tonysuits also had zippers, but are now using the good old cable system. This system provides even better (more precise) and safer integration (smallest hole possible) with the rig and still offers the innie-outie option for BASE.

you did install the beta firmware, right?

; Firmware version 20111016 ; GPS settings Model: 6 ; Dynamic model ; 0 = Portable ; 2 = Stationary ; 3 = Pedestrian ; 4 = Automotive ; 5 = Sea ; 6 = Airborne with < 1 G acceleration ; 7 = Airborne with < 2 G acceleration ; 8 = Airborne with < 4 G acceleration Rate: 200 ; Measurement rate (ms) ; Tone settings Mode: 2 ; Measurement mode ; 0 = Horizontal speed ; 1 = Vertical speed ; 2 = Glide ratio ; 3 = Inverse glide ratio ; 4 = Total speed Min: 0 ; Lowest pitch value ; cm/s in Mode 0, 1, or 4 ; ratio * 100 in Mode 2 or 3 Max: 300 ; Highest pitch value ; cm/s in Mode 0, 1, or 4 ; ratio * 100 in Mode 2 or 3 Chirp: 0 ; Chirp when outside bounds ; 0 = No ; 1 = Yes Volume: 7 ; 0 (min) to 8 (max) ; Thresholds V_Thresh: 1000 ; Minimum vertical speed for tone (cm/s) H_Thresh: 0 ; Minimum horizontal speed for tone (cm/s) ; Miscellaneous Use_SAS: 1 ; Use skydiver's airspeed ; 0 = No ; 1 = Yes Sp_Mode: 1 ; Vertical speed. Sp_Units: 0 ; 1=mph 0=km/h Sp_Rate: 10 ; Speech rate (s) Sp_Dec: 0 ; Decimal places for speech

Alright, I too did fly the suits in this class. I own or owned the S-Fly Hawk, Havok Carve and Funk. I came from the classic Havok recently. A note about "fit" which I hear people discuss sometimes a lot. The suits where built for me and the Funk had the best fit of them all in my case: So to compare the PF Havok Carve vs Squirrel Funk vs S-Fly Hawk; this is my view! Disclaimer: your view might be different blablablabla and so it should be. Build quality: All suits are sturdy built. If a winner *have* to be picked it is the Havok Carve due to being built like a tank. Cool features on the Funk like the Rubber on the backside could be fragile in the skydiving environment I imagine, but time will tell. Performance (based on my Flysight measurements): Havok Carve is leading, but followed closely by the Funk, then last the Hawk - which also is a smaller suit mind you. Forward speed-wise the Hawk is just as fast. Agility: Hawk is extremely agile, it is in its own class. Funk and Havok Carve follows in no particular order IMO. All of the suits ARE very agile, so difference in this area is manageable as one learn to fly the suit chosen. All suits are simply excellent. I agree that Havok Carve "feels" more accurate than the Funk, on the other hand the Funk "makes me smile a'lot for some reason". Fly-ability: Funk leads followed by Hawk, they are both simple and totally intuitive to fly. Funk is completely intuitive and a delight to fly. Hawk too is intuitive but I do not fancy the more narrow leg-stance in general, makes it feel somewhat more nervous, but again it is extremely agile and wants to go... The Havok Carve feels like a real dragster big-suit and it is also sensitive to the foot angling/position. All suits have very easy pull. I only use the Funk w. all internal zippers closed, I still think that the Carve feels harder (some say more inflated) than the other suits. Inflating the suits using a leaf-blower, the Carve has the thickest profiles especially close to the body, but the Funk takes at least twice the time to deflate again. Ergonomically: All of them are nice. The Havok Carve is easier to get in and out of, superb really. Funk don't have the stretchy neoprene back or front as the Carve and the Hawk, and therefore somewhat less nice. Hawk is very tight on the calf's and the leg-stance is narrow and it only has a single front zipper. Funk is second and Hawk is last. Rig mounting: The Hawk is best. It has the same zipper system on the back as the Funk and the front holes are perfectly done, very reassuring and safe. Havok Carve has the good old PF mounting system. It is safe and is the easiest system to use, but it could use some refinement IMO. Funk is utilizing the same attachment system as Colugo/Aura. IMO the system needs to be improved on to make it "more reassuring" in the often very cramped Skydiving environment. My final conclusion is that these suits really are head to head and each have its con's and pro's, individual preferences for specific features therefore makes the deal for each and every. You can't go wrong with either of them really. And which suit copied which suits design? Well it is nonsense IMO; in the air they feel quite different, though they all look alike on the ground. Hope this helps

Skwrl and myself will have both suits in a few weeks. Perhaps we would/could bring some objectivity into the discussion, instead of all this nonsense "I think that this suit is better than that suit because, well because I think it is..." It's gonna be interesting to see how they compare

PM Michael from Flysight and specify the Serial no on your Flysight. You also need a beta driver, and there are a few different depending on ...

Wild prairie? in my country we have thrown in just a simple minimum of regulation. It goes like this: We put suits into generic categories based on size. For our cat 4 suits (like X3), you need at least 100 WS jumps or if the producer of that suit recommends more, then that is the requirement. Same kind of gentle regulations that is in place for people wanting to downsize canopy, its to make them (more) safe and protect them as much as possible from themselves, while they gather the required skills. You do have some canopy downsize regulation in place in the US, right?

in France, at a Boogie where a Caravan was used, the pilot insisted on speaking to each individual wingsuit jumper. He would first show us a really big helmet/head shaped dent in the rear-stabilizer, then telling the story about the FS camera jumper who did this (forgot what then happend to him) and then asking each of us to demonstrate how we would exit from his plane. Just saying.