Michele

UN Resolution #598 was signed on July 20, 1988 (text of resolution 598: gopher://gopher.undp.org/00/undocs/scd/scouncil/s87/5, whereas the Iran Contra scandal seems to have broken in November/87, barely 8 months prior (Report of Congressional Committees Investigation the Iran Contra Affair was released then, at least. The original investigation by the FBI began in late '86: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/part_ii.htm)... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Nope. Not me. It's like a rule or something. There were plenty of agents and clients doing paperwork at the office all day, and grousing. See, it wasn't just rain, it was a deluge....buckets...hoses...thunder and lightening. Wind...it was the adult version of playing in the rain with friends. I just use that excuse so my clients would come out and play...... But it's glorious blue today. And I have housework to do. But the windows are open, the fresh air is streaming in, and there are the buds of gorgeous roses on my rosebushes...spring is springing all over! And I like it! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Ed, life is good....the skies are blue, there are gorgeous streaks of clouds... but the ground is very, I said very, muddy..... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

psssst....BillV....I don't think Vectorboy was calling you "ya dipshits"... attack. When you read it in context, it reads: "This would be called air dominace of the no-fly-zone, with a catchy little game of don't lock in on our birds ya dip shits" "Dipshits" used in the correct, non-split phrase would actually indicate those Iraqis who light up our planes, rather than someone here. With the correct quotes and punctuation, it would be "don't lock in on our birds, ya dipshits". Hope that helps.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Yes. Well. Ahem. I just came in from several showings. Nothing better than showing property in the rain. I mean, when else are you going to be able to determine that the roof doesn't leak??? It's really wet right now. I am not sure about a week from now... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Now, that was funny. Made me laugh out loud. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

LadySkydiver/Cora will be here in Los Angeles area next week. She will be "determining" between TX and SoCA for her big move...so let's beat TX (no TX rules here....) and show her a fun time. Taking suggestions for a daytrip, if there's time. We will, of course, be jumping for sure the weekend of the 22-23.

Bill, you keep mentioning the Omnibus Terrorist Act of 1995. This link intimates that what you have been saying about the terrorism act recently passed {the Patriot Act} was what the ACLU was saying about Clinton's 1995 omnibus action. http://archive.aclu.org/news/n1024952.html The ACLU has another position paper on it whichs ays, in part: "The Clinton Administration, however, has consistently pushed for significant curbs on our ability to use cryptography to protect electronic privacy. It claims that without access to the keys of all encrypted messages, its "ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism" will be "devastated." But in fact, in the past decade, 83 percent of all wiretaps and other forms of government surveillance have been authorized in connection with vice crimes like gambling and drug offenses. The Administration is using scare tactics to acquire vast new powers to spy on all Americans." You can read it in context here: http://archive.aclu.org/issues/cyber/wiretap_brother.html The original bill was submitted to the Senate and passed 91-8 (July 7, 1995). It went over to Conress, and in March, 1996 the modified bill was voted on and passed 229-191 (close indeed) . If anyone wants to read the bill which was passed in March 1996, here is the link. http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/s735.htm Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

My numbers this weekend will be zero. Work, and then a charity event with my father tomorrow night (A Black and White Ball for Olive Crest), and then work. And cleaning house. But next weekend? Hee hee, Cora/Lady Skydiver is coming to town. And we will be jumping at least one day next weekend, and maybe two in a row. Maybe I'll even be able to jump 3x per day, and then have a whole 6 jumps to report. (My goal is to be doing my 75th jump on my birthday in the beginning of May, so I'd better hop to it!) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Oh. I thought you were asking if GWB had changed the policies. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

I do believe so, Wendy. Not sure, but I recall hearing about that when educating myself about Viet Nam... I think it has to do with if you were in the military, dissention among the ranks and that kind of thing. Again, not sure, but this isn't new (I don't think). I am sure some of our active/retired guys/ladies can give you better info, I just wanted to chime in here. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

I don't need a test to tell me that I'm going to hell. I've even bought the handbasket already!!! (Edit: Damn. I guess I need to return that basket....took the test, and I scored a 62....sigh...I always fail these things. This is decidedly not good for my self-esteem...) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Glad to hear it's nothing serious, and that you are feeling better already. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

LeRoy, I swear, I thought someone was sticking hot pokers into my eyes when I had it done. USE THE DROPS!!!!! Also, you might want to drink more water while you're recovering. I smoke, and drink caffeine, and both exacerbate the pain. Drinking water helps. I was writhing in pain for nearly 5 days, too...had to get a refill of those way cool drugs. Hang tight, it will pass. But like I said, drink more water, and use the drops. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Good article, NacMac. Well presented, and interesting read. Thanks! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Ahhhhh, well, my bad. Sorry. The additional links, however, do demonstrate that it was widely known about the Boeing 707 and hijacking training at Salman Pak. I think that there was an atmosphere in the US at the time that "terrorism happened there, not here". And with that attitude, during the Clinton administration, there were other things he was working on. And sadly, that is the time where AQ came into it's own. We did attack Salman Pak during the '91 war, as we were aware of it then. It just kinda fell off the radar, until we needed to pay attention to the issues in a far more specific way. And because of the lax UN inspection enforcement, Salman Pak was, as far as I could tell, rebuilt, and brought back "on-line"... Just my take on things...

Kallend, since you don't seem to accept the Guardian as a source, I am giving you several sites in addition to the 4 (?) above, that will demonstrate how long we've known about it, how it was developed, and so forth. Where appropriate, I've made a comment in () beneath it. When I ran a search, there were over 7500 hits. Granted, not all of the 7500+ have to do with the BQ/T Salman Pak, but more than 1/2 certainly do. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/salman_pak.htm (same write up, additional information) http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00000132.htm (interview with unknown...not best source, but interesting) http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Policywatch/policywatch1998/299.htm ( Dr. Richard Spertzel, UNSCOM's chief biological weapons (BW)) http://www.wmdconsulting.us/Iraq.htm (I am not familiar with this organization...) http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/programs/dc/briefs/020201.htm http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/iraq2~1.htm (Not much on Salman Pak, however...but good read, although "dry") http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text/dossier01b.htm http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/08/latest2.htm (not best source, but interesting. Ties w/ foreign nat'ls at a time OBL was in Sudan, which was declared a terrorist state and had close ties to Iraq) http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=993832002 (for NacMac...

hi, Bill... Which is why I didn't. Said I could, but that I shall not. OTOH, there are folk here who don't bother to look up the facts, and I thought that it would be interesting to see when Cheney was connected to the company, and thus made my post... I would venture to guess the same...seeing as the sale happened some time prior to the vague "early 90's", which is when there was a suit about it. Had there been a claim that it was "mid-90's", then there may be some issue. Just bringing in some clarifying facts...wish you had the link for the sale dates and story. That would be interesting. I can't seem to dig it up. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Yes, but, Giani, did you have a good time once all that drama had passed?????? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Cheney was at Halliburton from '95 to 2000. http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20020909/55123.html I could spin this and say it was because of Cheney's presence at Halliburton encouraged them to plead guilty, accept respsonsibility and pay the fines...but I shan't. A company which employs 85,000 people and has offices in something like 100 countries is far too large to move that quickly. BTW, I couldn't find anything giving a date as to the sale of the euipment. Do you have a link to that? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

PBS's Frontline and Salman Pak... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html And remember Ramsi Youssef? He is connected to OBL, right? Bill, you know who he is...Project Bojinka, etc?....? He's also connected to Iraq. So is Mohammed Salameh. Musab Yasin. Adbul Rahman Yasin. OH! and I almost forgot. Remember that arrest about 10 days ago? The number 3 guy? The "mastermind" Khalil Sheikh Mohammed? The one who lived with Mohammed Atta in Hamburg? The one who designed and likely coordinated the 9/11 plot? That's Ramzi Youssef's uncle. And who can forget the MEK, (aka) Mujahadin-e Khalq Organiazation (aka) MKO originating in France, and moving to Iraq when France got tired of them. And you really can't forget that Jaques Chirac and Hussein are long time friends.... It's there (and there's quite a bit more...), should one bother to actually "trust but verify".... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Absolutely. Being reunited with the people who love me and those I love beyond all others I would be smiling right out of my skin. To feel the arms I've wished for, to see the faces I've dreamed about? You bet your pants on that. To know that I was where I belonged, coming home to my own bed, shower, and living room? I would be electric. And now, I am literally out the door.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Thanks, Keith. I remember the Susan Smith thing really well...that sucked hugely. And yes, alligator tears, as they say. And I understand why you feel something hinky is going on... Malachi I don't understand what you mean....sorry, I'm being dense I suppose. I do recall Rici burglarizing something, at some time, from the home...but I can't recall if they knew it immediately, or not. Further, if you didn't perceive something as a risk, you might continue that behavior until something occurs which demonstrates that risk...which is why it would be interesting to see if Mitchell was there before or after Rici (??that's the guy, right??), or before/after the burglary. But I have to get to the office now - so will be back later... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Hi, Malachi... I think it does make a difference, in a way. I mean, if you're hiring day laborers and nothing bad has happened, then you think you're "safe" doing so. If something bad happens, then you reconsider. Personally, I don't let any person into my home that I don't know well, but that's me... Know what? I am going to get to the office, get some stuff done, and then come in and see if I can establish a time-line for this. There may not be enough info yet about Emmanuel Mitchell's work at the house, but who knows. Richard... Yes, the photos are very strikingly different. Of course, if I had been kidnapped 9 months ago, I'd prolly look a little different, too. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Does anyone know when Emmanuel Mitchell was doing his roof and rake gig, and when Rici was there? IIRC, and I may not be, Rici was the one who burgled the home, right? Is that who you're referring to? Anyone know the time-line? I think there will be additional info coming out about Mitchell, such as the unconfirmed report that Elizabeth was taken to San Diego, and that Mitchell has several "wives", in an outlawed poligamist marriage. Once the facts of the case are laid out, if there's still something hinky, then we can look to other directions... I am just cautioning folk against going after the Smart family just yet. There may have been something sideways there...I just don't know at this point. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~