AlexCrowley

Frenchy, I am in total agreement with you - please see the first couple of posts on the subject :) Kallend, of course you're correct, but I have confused enough people today, I thought a nice cannibal scene with home made furniture would be a decent illustration. You seem a little more chipper, did you finish your papers? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

did you click on the link? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

shut up Ian. Studies have proved that having a gun and shooting someone with it is no different than not having a gun and not shooting someone with it. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

LOL sorry. there goes me being serious. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Save the sociopath! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Can I ask why it scares you? Sure its not pretty and evolved, but certainly fits the available evidence. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Happy Holidays to you in return. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

that and a brief flash of hope ["there's icecream in the fridge!"] TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

A heterosexual guy thinking about you and bukkake? Nah, I doubt it.... TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Not according to you on the 'kill muderers' thread. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

try being on the receiving end of it. plenty of fear there. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Emotions are biochemical. Fear is pretty critical to survival. Love is a protective reaction to fear covers nurturing young and species continuation. Anger is a protective reaction to fear. Everything else kinda bounces off that fear thing. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

No, I call it pretty crappy satire :) TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Yes, but for sink it's a term of endearment. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

I agree on the econimics. I'm not sure that the death penalty provides any kind of deterrant. To illustrate my personal concept: if you're a cop and you walk into an apartment where dead victims flesh is over 20% of the decor and/or warddrobe of the suspect, and the suspect is half way through a delicious meal of human flesh, you have the right to execute the guy on the spot. Otherwise he probably should go through the system. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Without hijacking this into other territory - I'm reminded of the case of the simulated child porn ring, and the comic artist. Which specifically dealt with that question. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

right. I was talking about murder 1 directly. I may be mistaken but I didnt think that all murder 1 convictions led to the death penalty either. (maybe it varies state to state). And yes, I agree one blanket punishment. I disagree that killing them is it. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Actually after 8 pages of people using Sociopaths as their strawman of the day I was refering to retards like Sudsy and Sinker. I enjoy our arrogance that our view of what is sane must be true. Reality is merely a consensual illusion that we work hard to maintain. Sociopaths offer an alternative so alien from what we consider basic human traits that some people tend to overreact. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

I think they've just got a different concept of sanity. Which is why we see them as alien and fear them. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

I'm more interested in scale and guilt than "legal" crime. But yes, EXACTLY! Quantifiable. Which is exactly the issue at hand. Quantify stealing: You stole $3000 = 3 months in jail. Easy. No harm no foul. $3000 of value was stolen. The sentence will also account for the impact of that $3000. Pretty easy stuff. Killing? I kill a drug dealer after planning it meticulously. In fact I kill a whole bunch of them. Death penalty or no? I kill a bunch of white college kids after planning it carefully. Death penalty or no? I kill an artist of some influence after careful planning? Death penalty or no? Death is death, which life is worth more? The drug dealers? The college kids? the artist? How do you quantify potentiality? On loss of life? what is the value of a life now? The drug dealers are just that, the college kids - future leaders of america/or international arms dealers in their later life. The artist? Hitler was an artist. Give me a medal for murder? Are we trying to quantify the crime itself, or its impact? If its the crime itself then why isnt every murderer on death row? murder 1 = death. I think perhaps I shoudl go take my meds now. My interest is purely in how we value life. The death penalty advocates still wish us to hold it to our darkest moments, any attempt to atone is just trying to lie your way out of a situation. I'm pretty sure I dont want to know those people because if a person is capable of thinking that way about others they must have some real guilt issues. Should some people be punished by death? probably. I simply cannot think of anyone, or any group of people who are qualified to quantify that. Something about casting the first stone springs to mind. Maybe some of you religious types could assist me. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

But I think the same is true of any crime - whether it be a legal or moral issue. Contrary to popular belief no negative action can ever be wiped clean. I murder someone. I cannot bring them to life. I break your trust. I cannot put it back together. I have sex with your wife, I cannot not have sex with her. Stealing is breaking a trust, I can replace the item stolen, but not the mental damage - and anyone who's had their car broken into understands how that feels. Murder is not 'the ultimate' crime, but then I'm a little more imaginative than many people so who knows. Anyway, on a rational level the death penalty makes absolutely zero sense. It can only be justified internally at an emotional level. The only issue is that I haven't seen someone pro-death penalty with the ability to discuss that concept properly - because it is an emotional response. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Ah sink sink sink. Sorry dude, i'm wiring you up to the car battery. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

ACI, not directly to you, just hitting reply..... I have to say that I'm really pleased to see so many mental health professionals on the board. Abberrant psychology is an excellent field of study and it's warming to know that so many have chosen to follow it, doesnt really surprise me considering the fact that it's a group of skydiver - no guts and no glory and all that - high pressure, high rewards. Reading the DSM does not make you a psychologist. Talking to a couple of sociopaths and feeling icky doesnt either. The gaping flaws in the 'sociopath' argument are so glaring that it's obvious that a rational discussion can't take place as it reads the same as 'I have faith in god'. You can't intellectually argue against an emotionally held belief. America has the emotional maturity of a 9 year old. It'll take a while for it to grow up. Well, at least the Europeans just nodded with a tolerant smile. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

i just pooped a hammer. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Cheapest and easiest way would be to approach the degree manufacturer themselves and ask for a 'replacement' if it's merely for display purposes. Not that I'd know anything about that. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.