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I agree with you Quade, when large numbers of people get involved in these kinds of clandestine ops they eventually come to public view, e.g Pentagon Papers. The Internet has greatly accelerated the process. I can actually see the logic in the military's interest in the use and effects of psychotropic chemicals as weapons. I just can't see the logic in the govt staging Norjack. I am doomed to like Coast to Coast AM and to be cynically sceptical of every wild claim I hear on it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I'm hard on Cook. I had respect for him at one time, but that was when I thought he was a serious investigator. Once he supported the Janet story and went public with it, even speculating that the FBI threatened her because it would divert search efforts away from Merwin Lake...I lost all respect for the guy. If I tried to push off a ridiculous story like that one around Dropzone, I would be blasted to pieces by other forum members. Couldn't believe some of you actually swallowed that story. I think Galen took a big misstep on Janet's story, but he isnt the idiot that youd have us believe. I wish he'd explain why he republished Janets claims about seeing a person on the 727 steps as it flew over her residence. Janet's claims about FBI MIBs threatening her made no sense either. Maybe Galen had cabin fever, all alone up there in AK. In my vinteractions with Galen I always found him to be a rational guy, open to the possibility that his suspect might not be DBC and a critical thinker. The Janet debacle is puzzling. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snowmman is schooling me about govt conspiracies. and coverups. First MK Ultra and now this. Bruce and Bob, I may be headed for the dark side. Occam is just naive. None of this proves anything about Norjack, but it shows that the govt is a lot dirtier and sneakier and downright diabolical than this Polyanna likes to believe. I still don't think Norjack was a govt conspiracy, but if anyone had told me about MK Ultra or Project 112 I'd have put it in the BS bin, and I'd have been dead wrong. The info on Project 112 claims all the subjects were volunteers, but in the military a call for volunteers isnt exactly a free will, no pressure, informed consent kind of deal. Bruce, were you aware of Project 112? MK Ultra hired CIA selected hookers to interact with the test subjects. Who got the hookers in project 112? Generals I bet. Probably a budget line item for "staff assistants." 377 Project 112 was a biological and chemical weapons experimentation project conducted by the US Army from 1962 to 1973 The existence of the project (along with the related Project SHAD) was categorically denied by the military until May 2000, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_experiments Thus, between 1950 and 1975, about 6,720 soldiers took part in experiments involving exposures to 254 different chemicals, conducted at U.S. Army Laboratories at Edgewood Arsenal About 260 subjects were experimentally exposed to various psychochemicals including phencyclidine (PCP), and 10 related synthetic analogs of the active ingredient of cannabis (NRC 1984). The NRC report also mentions human experiments involving exposure of 741 soldiers to LSD (NRC 1984). This video is from a doctor who administered LSD tests at Edgewood Arsenal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWHNf4p7zdE confirmation here http://fhp.osd.mil/CBexposures/cwfieldtesting.jsp A multi-phase field test (Project Dork) involving the dissemination of the hallucinogen BZ was conducted at Dugway Proving Ground in 1964. The purposes of Project Dork were to test the effective dosage of BZ when disseminated in the open and to collect treatment on BZ-induced delirium. Summary During the period September 1958 to November 1964, a series of field tests involving the use of LSD and in one instance the use of agent BZ on human volunteers, were conducted at various military installations. Approximately 309 individuals were involved in LSD testing and 10 in BZ testing. Not all these individuals were administered hallucinogenic agents. Some were controls and given a placebo. While the Medical Research Volunteer Program conducted at Edgewood Arsenal collected information on the effects of psychochemicals (hallucinogenic drugs) on individuals, there was no information on how these drugs would affect groups of people. Specifically, would they produce disorganizing and disruptive effects on military units? In order to gather the required information, personnel from Edgewood Arsenal conducted field testing of LSD at Fort Bragg (1958) and Fort Benning (1960). All personnel involved in the testing were volunteers and medical personnel closely monitored their condition. Additional testing of LSD occurred at Fort McClellan (1959-1960) and Dugway Proving Ground (1959). The personnel tested at Fort McClellan were volunteers from the Chemical School. After exposure to LSD, these volunteers performed various military and non-military tasks. Little information relating to LSD testing at Dugway Proving Ground is available today. The test apparently involved four officers who were administered LSD and then required to teach a class. A multi-phase field test (Project Dork) involving the dissemination of the hallucinogen BZ was conducted at Dugway Proving Ground in 1964. The purposes of Project Dork were to test the effective dosage of BZ when disseminated in the open and to collect treatment on BZ-induced delirium. Some wild claims here including the use of subs and planes to do bio attacks on US subjects: http://www.project-112shad-fdn.com/News_95.htm 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't give up leaking at the bars... just build yourself a bigger bladder. What happened to Galen Cook? Did Blevins scare him off? Why can't anyone produce a new DBC serialed 20? Just one is all I ask. Jamie? Galen? Vicki? Jo? Anyone? If the money shards did exist at Tena Bar I sure wish the debris field had been surveryed with an eye towards estimating the amount of currency that was shredded. Were the shards just on the surface, or distributed through some depth of sand? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Why would the FBI cover up the truth about the Amboy chute in 2010? Coverup, massive govt. conspiracy and BS are synonyms in my DBC thesaurus. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://igor113.livejournal.com/51213.html What do you think the fuel burn is operating 8 jets at sea level? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What would account for the intact stacks of 20s ending up in the same general location as the debris field of currency shards that the Fazios have reported? Georger? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Two used HA HA HA copies on Amazon, from $18. http://www.amazon.com/Ha-D-B-Cooper/dp/B000ZFY4RA 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Been there, seen that. WFFC. Naked women falling from the sky, lots of em. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wonder if DBC got the full $200,000? It passed through a lot of hands. Wouldn't be the first time a ransom got skimmed. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, Is the presence of a money fragment debris field present in any FBI or in the Palmer report? If it was there, doesnt it suggest that the loot was dredged? What is your current theory on ow the money got to Tena Bar? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Interesting. If he REALLY didnt care about the money he may have abandoned it or stored it and never tapped it. The feds and the public were looking for an enriched Cooper, hoping to spot some guy with a big delta between earnings and spending or someone who was in real serious money trouble prior to the skyjack. Offering a bundle to Tina was really really odd. I mean he knows she cant accept it and that it is stolen money. Why offer it? To make Tina like him? Who would really appreciate getting an offer of stolen money? Did it really happen? Although not a perfect analogy its like a guy sticks up a 7-11 and tells the clerk, "here keep this" as he tosses back a few twenties. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Fair enough, we were getting sidetracked on the knife and cord stuff. Why didn't Cooper come aboard better equipped? He took a lot of time and effort to make a fake bomb, but as far as we know didnt carry anything aboard to secure the loot which was the most important item and the reason for the skyjack. The Tena Bar money tells Occam that whatever Cooper used as a secure container didn't work very well. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've seen some sonobuoy and mine laying parachutes that looked similar, but not identical. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gw5vIu7L0 Amazon and Snowmman both think they could survive the Cooper jump, but Jerry disagrees. Some Hollywood production company is missing a good bet. Recreating the Cooper jump wouldnt be horrendously expensive, no need to use a jet, just add footage of a real 727 exit or use computer animation. I think an interesting half hour show cold be made. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From frosty permaban exhile comes a much clearer picture of the cords Cooper cut. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/abinterviewsandvideos.htm Robert, what's up with the text overlay seen during the first 5 seconds? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02WxlT8q8HA&feature=player_detailpage#t=0s 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Melting simply fuses and bonds all the ends of the fibers together. I don't think it has anything to do with turning anything into a "more stable" state. To me, a pragmatic engineer, it's just melted nylon, but Georger may be correctly describing it in more "physics" detail. I infer, from reading a lot of his posts, that Georger has an advanced degree in some physical science. On fishing boats we'd tightly wrap a synthetic line in vinyl electrical tape along several inches, then use a knife to cut the line in the middle of the taped section. Next, you'd take a propane torch and melt the exposed end of the line. It made a better frizz free end than cutting with a hot knife. More BTUs and a deeper melt area. Remember that serial killer in CA who was a parachute rigger? He was caught by some really good forensic work that identified some colored fibers on a victim as being unique to parachute suspension lines that had been used to tie her up but were not left at the scene. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I am not so sure about that. Watch the videos of the Air America 727 S/L jumps. If the deploying canopy didn't snag on anything, I think even a whuffo would end up alive under an open C9. Still, lots of drama ahead trying to land safely, survive the night and exit the area undetected. I think the NB6 with its MA1 spring loaded pilot chute would make it pretty easy. Just face backwards at the bottom of the steps and pull. I was firmly convinced that the opening shock of an unsleeved C9 on a high speed 727 jump would be huge, but the Air America videos show the canopies "squidding" and slowing down the opening a lot. I changed my mind. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How refreshing. So much crow is on the menu in this forum but so little is actually eaten. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: Jo, You are implying that someone is making your substantive posts disappear before you launch them but ignores your rambling ones. I'd bet HUGE odds that this is a delusion. Orange told you how to prevent losing drafts, but you apparently ignored it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I have one of those orange colored USAF hook knifes (GREAT hook knife BTW). I cut some parachute cord with that and with a pocket knife and I cant see any diff. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome back Bruce! So much time, so many Coopers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You would have loved the Straocruiser Farflung. It even had a downstairs bar and lounge. Fold down beds in the cabin too, if you got lucky in the bar. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://b377.ovi.ch/articles/carpet/lounge0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://b377.ovi.ch/articles/carpet/&usg=__OMrekeCxZuwKLIi0M8z5f07Rpgo=&h=557&w=800&sz=94&hl=en&start=2&sig2=HVK7T2QvbidA3Lm-tolWyw&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hH56Ah4ZxionTM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstratocruiser%2Blounge%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLL_en%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=Uww2TenlCYmmsQOJ8smyBQ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Blevins wrote: We have apparently transitioned from soap opera to pro wrestling. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.