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How do you know it was a wolf and not a coyote or even a vicious feral dog Jo? The subject of whether wolves ever roamed KY during the period of your youth is controversial. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Duane's various clemencies and sentence commutations could be described as getting off Scott Free. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Awaiting the details of Jerry's Washougal-Tena Bar hydro transport test protocol which Georger requested. Rubber ducks are not good analogs for bundled bills. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

In the words of Superman himself, "Great Scott." Perry White, editor of the Daily Planet, preferrred "Great Ceasar's Ghost". Farflung prefers Nun of the above. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote That's not the case Jo. JT is just a guy looking for Coopers remains. He has never once claimed to be part of the Cooper saga. You have. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sometimes I wonder. No chute has been found. Cooper would have been crazy to walk out with the chute. Could he have gone into the Columbia? Open chute or closed chute that would have been fatal and the chute and body might never be found. The money could have been dredged up and ended up in dredge spoils at Tena Bar. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You aren't fooling anyone Farflung. These pinups are just an attempt to throw us off the trail. You haven't kicked the habit. Admit it, you have this fantasy that you can make any nun sing. I am convinced the Amboy chute wasn't Cooper's but why so little interest in how it got there? The military is usually all over crash site evidence matter how old. It is very important to them to locate remains if there are any and bring closure to surviving family members. Maybe they determined it was just a discarded surplus canopy. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Ah yes, Frank Herbert, why didnt I think of that? You have finally resolved the famous Jo-Jerry topology paradox. Jo was folding space. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: Blevins asserted himself an expert on the case, but has apparently given up the chase as a waste of his time, maybe. 377 is an expert. Sluggo is an expert. There are a lot of experts and saavy people, Quade included. You are an expert in your own right with actual experience on the ground. There are lots of experts, apparently. *** 377 hereby disclaims any Cooper expertise. Seriously. I just read the mail here, throw in a few critiques and lobby for clemency for Snowmman. We had some science experts here, but after tossing some money in the Columbia on th end of a fishing line they were never heard from again. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A Pasternak love story? Come on Georger, Kafka provides far better analogies. Samuel Beckett is even better. Waiting for Cooper. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bet Blevins exit wasn't as he represented it. I think Gayla finished the accounting, saw how much money AB had lost on all things Cooper and put parental Internet access controls on his computers preventing access to dropzone.com. She understands male pride and let him make that last post to give the impression that it's all voluntary and under his control. It's OK Robert. We understand. If you get a chance to use the computers at the public library say hello once in a while. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I see the radar too, but no snow in the flatlands yet. Snowmman may be doing weather modification. He has numerous towers with huge antennas fed by very powerful transmitters. It's allegedly all for ham radio but I wonder. I can talk around the world on a small rooftop antenna that Snow designed and built. Why does he keep putting up more huge antennas? My kid lives in China. The govt there has major weather modification programs. Farms in the areas around Beijing have govt supplied cannons and silver iodide shells. The govt issues automated cell phone calls to the farmers when they want them to fire into clouds to create nucleation sites for raindrops. The cannons are welded so that they can only fire vertically. Those officials don't want to give a bunch of peasant farmers artillery that could be used to target the govt. Vicki, do you have any hair strands from your Dad or anything that might be used for a DNA sample? Old hairbrushes are good sources if any of his are still around. I really doubt the reliability of the FBIs Cooper tie DNA, but they seem very confident about the tie evidence. They must know something I don't. They are not idiots. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Banned Bob wrote: Good grief Bob. You just keep digging a deeper hole. Your equation gives groundspeed not airspeed. If you think groundspeed has anything to do with opening shock or freefall stability you are woefully ignorant. You are out of your league on parachuting stuff. It's painfully obvious that you just make stuff up as you go. Stick to govt. conspiracies. You do OK there. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I hope she didn't go bowling. It's Friday night and you know where Farflung is headed. Leave our dropzone.com prom queen alone Farflung, unless she has other ideas. Isn't it funny that "hook it" is used in both bowling and skydiving? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've got the GPS and bio telemetry gear. We can get the jumper's position, course, speed, heart rate, blood oxygen level and temp right in the comfort of our warm homes in real time. It's jump proven and ready to go. Georger would like it. It's ham radio home brewed stuff mostly. 2 meter radios, hacked pulsox sensors, data modems, etc. Uses the APRS system for repeater relays and Internet uploading. Runs a long time on a small 12 volt battery if you keep the transmission rate down. There is just no way to know what Cooper's jump experience was. Its all guessing. I've tried to figure it out from his gear choices, but it's just speculative. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

McCoy and others. Snow posted quite a few. None of them did it in Cooper's estimated exit zone during a winter storm though. Jerry says that area with rain at that time of year almost guarantees hypothermia. McCoy was an experienced jumper. I've sen no evidence that Duane EVER made a jump. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A 10 second freefall from a 727 by a jumper with an asymmetrical jumper aero profile (form the bag) is almost guaranteed to produce an out of control tumbling spin Bob. You can manage a little asymmetry at 120 mph but things get a lot dicier at 170. Without a heading and horizon refernce things can get out of control easily and it's nearly mpossible to restore stability. Remember, you exit a jet at HIGHER than terminal velocity and slow down during the freefall which means the initial stability problems would be SEVERE. At night with no visual horizon even a very experinced jumper would have big trouble. It's an ideal setup for disrientation, panic and a no pull SPLAT. Duane was in the Navy, right? And was kicked out after a short stint, right? So what kind of survival training did sailors get? It probably had more to do with abandon ship drills and life jackets than parachute landings and hostile terrain survival, dont you think? Your lack of parachute expereince and knowledge causes you to take some positions about Duane's alleged Norjack jump that appear absurd to real jumpers, such as your insistance that he used the X chute, the one in the belly reserve container. Why do that when you have a perfectly good NB 6 (or NB 8) rig with a C9 canopy? That NB 6 was a bailout rig and well suited for the jump. How would he even fasten the reserve container? There were no D rings on the NB 6. A ten second freefall is a bad idea too given the circumstances. If Cooper had to make injection molds or engineer car engine transplants I am sure you wouldnt be taking such untenable positions because you know a lot about those fields. If I were making up a story about injection molds you and your colleagues would be all over my mistakes in a second. Thats what's happening to you here when you post about jumping. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Here is an idea Jerry. Lets get Amazon to do it. I wonder how much we'd have to raise? Maybe a TV show would foot the bill as such a show properly spun would have some audience appeal: DID HE SURVIVE? The DB COOPER JUMP, re-enacted. I am sure I could do the jump OK even with a bag tied to me... but I am not at all confident about survival and egress in the winter. Snow is confident but I am not as young or tough as he is. Doesnt really have to be a jet and that would keep the costs down. A Skyvan or a CASA 212 at full throttle with an open tailgate would be close enough and a hell of a lot cheaper than chartering a jet. I really dont know what to believe about the ground survival issues. There was a BASE jumper a few years back who died overnight from hypothermia is FAR better conditions than Cooper faced. Jerry says Cooper faced deadly conditions but Snow and Amazon disagree. I just don't know. I do think if Cooper pulled right off the steps, even with a 25 lb money bag and the resulting aerodynamic assymetry, he ended up under a good chute. After that I am really out of my area of expertise. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I actually have exited a plane and landed safely once. Does that make me jump qualified? You know that silver threshold by the door how it sticks up a little bit? Then clumsy me. When I hit the ground I skinned my knee and elbow. We'll just call it an AFF level 1 pass. I've seen worse. Ready for your next jump Vicki? You really should try it. It is a life changing experience even if you only jump once. Smart people dont need to play the same record over and over again, but we skydivers just like the song... a LOT. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange, I am trying to get us back to DB Cooper. Can you see the slow turn or is it just my imagination? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I'm not so sure it would be that hard a jump Jerry. If you pulled right off the stairs you might start spinning when your body hit the airstream and a bag made you aymmetrical, but so what? In about 3 seconds youd be hanging under a clean C9. Even if you spun up the lines a bit, rounds usually easy to untwist and many times if you just hang there the lines will untwist theselves. If Cooper did a delayed opening then you are 100% right, it could be a nightmare spin, but if he knew about the CIA 727 junmps he'd just pull right off the stairs. The MA1 and similar spring loaded pilot chutes in military bailout rigs launch pretty vigorously. I've jumped from a DC 9 jet airliner. I think I could tie a 25 lb money bag to me and pull right out the door and be OK. Landing safely, surviving the night and evading capture is another story. Amazon. We need your opinion too. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Watch this one too Jerry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqdmXxBZjI&NR=1 You'll be surprised at how gently the C9s deploy on a 727 exit (no sleeves, just S/L deployed). I'd guess the speed at 160 knots. You'll see a turboprop modded Twin Beech flying chase and keeping position in formation, so it couldnt have been too fast. I'd have expected a horrible slammer opening. I've got over a hundred jumps on C9s, all with sleeves and some of them were pretty rough. Nope, not what I expected at all. Pretty gentle openings on a 727 jet exit. If Cooper knew this he'd have no worries about doing a hop and pop out of the airliner, provided he could keep the speed down, and the flaps command assured that he would. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV40OIFQmIw enjoy! 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: All right Jo, I'll bite. Tell us the 20 dollar bill story. If you don't this will add another point to your tease count. I hate to keep harping on the prison inmate smoke jumper issue but I akm trying to get you to see that your memory may be faulty and biased. I have done extensive searching and even corresponded with smoke jumper history experts. I dont think such a program ever existed and neither does anyone but you. To err is human. I think you erred. I and everyone else have skewed facts when trying to recall past events. I think that's what happened with repect to the alleged prison inmate smoke jumper article. You have morphed some memory into an inaccurate account of what you saw. I saw MANY MANY articles on inmates working as ground fire fighters, but ZERO on prison inmate smoke jumpers. You may have a faulty memory that has fused or blended two different articles, one about inmate fire fighters and another about non inmate smoke jumpers. Let's assume that Jerry DID mislead you about local geography. I don't know if he did or did not, but let's assume he did for the sake of this argument. It may have confused and angered you, and caused you to waste time, but the incident does nothing to prove that Duane was Cooper so why hammer away at it all the time? The inscription on that medallion is very curious, but I can't see any link to Norjack. I think your belief that Duane was Cooper is sincere, but wrong. If you take another trip to WA and ID I hope it is productive. That last one seemed to both energize and exhaust you. If I were you I'd do something more fun. There a many DZs in FLA. Go do a tandem jump or shock us all and take an AFF course. I wish you well and will never attack you, just disagree cordially. I wish others would do the same. I've never threatened to leave here and I never will. It may eventually dwindle to just me and Quade, but barring a departure stall in a jumpship or an unsurvivable skydiving accident, I'll turn out the lights here. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung, you literally made me laugh out loud. I hate to break it to you but Tina has tossed her habit. I hope you won't lose interest in the case. That Singing Nun was pretty hot, but why do you pursue the unattainable? If a nun gave in to you I bet she would lose her allure as soon as the habit hit the floor. Perhaps you'd ask her to keep it on. You'd do a lot better at a bowling alley on womens' league night than you ever would at a convent... but you already know that. Between your work and the unclaimed DORKZONE on YouTube we've seen some really creative and funny stuff here. Keep it coming Farflung! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.