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Keep those posters coming Farflung. I've got a few of the better ones held up with refrigerator magnets. You've strayed from lesbians and nuns though. Is there a reason? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Well, looks like I may have been wrong in my prediction that nobody wold make any serious money off of DBC. The early book reviews from credible authors look promising, but who knows how those kudos are arranged. I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I got kicked in the head really hard on a WFFC magic carpet ride jump that held together for a long time then disintegrated into flailing chaos. I had a good helmet, not a frap hat. I had a Cypres, in date and armed. I had a big PD reserve. Luckily after a few seconds of dazed and painful fog I got stable and the jump ended fine, no emergency procedures needed and no AAD fire. Consider landing unconscious under your ram air reserve. That is never a good thing , but your odds are a lot better with a large lightly loaded reserve. Think about that next time you are pondering a postage stamp reserve canopy. Picture a no flare landing, downwind. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Great idea. We should focus INTENSELY on real Cooper evidence. We know he smoked some cigs, drank from a glass, opened a rig, cut some suspension lines, etc etc. If the tie is his it could have some traces of material that could help ID him. The money should be analysed to the ends of the Earth too. Its nuts to spend so much time speculating about hypotheticals. We have some real tangible evidence linked tio Cooper and I agree that it needs to be the subject of exhaustive analysis. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You're a smart guy. Thank you Georger. I return the compliment. Where did Cooper travel on that airplane with his tie on ? Not certain, along the aisle, around his seat, maybe in the restroom. When did he take the tie off? Not certain, probably before he stated messing with the chutes. Certainly before he exited. Where did he place the tie? On the seat back in front of where he sat. Where had he been with the tie on from the time he first appeared_at the airport? Who knows? JC Pennys, his home, his job, perhaps church, his boarding location. Where had the tie been before that? Not sure. And: What did he do in the bathroom with his tie on_or off? That remains a puzzler. I'd like to think he checked his walkie talkie, got out his jump boots, rope and carabiners. Maybe he removed contact lenses or took a wig off. You people have been spinning your wheels for three years here . . . Anything that starts with "you people" is suspect. I've admitted spinning my wheels. I have a 409 mill but no positraction rear end. Do I really have to spell this out!? Yes, I am afraid you do. Why are you being so coy about what has been 100% obvious for 37+ years? May be obvious to you but not to me. I am not being coy. my bewilderment in genuine. I am willing to take a polygraph on that point. In addition, you need to take what I said about FBI reporting protocols _very seriously. It took me some time to back up and come up to speed with this, until someone mentioned it. But, it is crucial to an historical understanding of this case, I think. People were managing this case and making decisions based on reports they were receiving. This goes straight into the evidentiary file in this case. You cannot build a vita of this case without coming to understand how (and why) the system worked as it did - early. And the "system" is people. People making decisions at many different levels in different places. That IS the historical record. . . well, I've gathered from several diverse sources, that for some reason the FBI only reports positive not negative findings or something like that. Could that be true? Are they that dumb? I doubt it. Safecracking could have a field day with this Indeed and I hope he does. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yes, you need to spell it out. I am so acclimated to wheel spinning that I dont know how to get traction any more. Tom did once tell me that ties are the one article of clothing that you never wash. I've seen a few jumpsuits that might be an exception to that rule. So the tie has something on it from Cooper's life, but what? I loved to play with my kids when they were babies, always gave then a hug and kiss goodbye before I left for work. So I am in federal court, my case is called for a motion hearing. The judge, a kindly old woman, says "Counsel, do you have a young baby at home?" "Why yes, I do you honor", I replied. She said, "I am going to take a very brief recess as I have a call to make and you need to wipe your baby's little burp up mess off your tie." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

It's ready to go Georger. My kid's lab is brand new and has the best gear money can buy. All I need is a sample, just a flake of skin from the tie is all I ask. Ckret hasnt responded and neither has Tom. Both read this forum. I dont have enough TV exposure perhaps. Larry and Tom had a lot. I should have tried to get a spot on Blevins Decoded episode. I know zero about DNA, PCR etc, but I am tight wioth some folks who can definitely do the job. Georger, you teased about the tie and we will not just let that go. What do you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know. I could use another dose of Farflung humor. He is probably too busy with that new job as night watchman at the Convent. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: Now that's a very substantial tease Georger. It cannot be ignored. It cannot go unchallenged. Will you be forthcoming or do we have to take it up a notch? Don't tell me a retired JC Penny shopgirl remembers selling one to Sheridan Peterson or Duane Weber. You can't fool me that easily. I pay my taxes. I stay out of trouble. Why don't I get equal tie access? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote Farflung, your devoted efforts have not gone unnoticed. You may qualify for ordination in the Church of Snowmman. There are nuns and possibly virgins and lesbians. Imagine Jay North, TV's Dennis the Menace, being carried into the future by Dan Cooper at the helm of the Bubbleator. I have seen photographic proof. Carry on. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G wrote Unlikely. Candidate pushers have no reproductive or recruitment advantages. I think the scientific forum posters will dominate given enough time. Give me some tie tissue and some testing protocols. I can "get er done". 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: Funny Georger, but you would get a zygote and then a baby Cooper. Who would raise him? What if he turned out to be a Barb Dayton clone? How would that play in your home? Yeah, I plead guity to "candidate pushing". I've chaged horses a few times too. At least I recognize my bias. Its so easy to incorporate outcome bias into your analysis of DBC evidence. You cant be neutral no matter how hard you try. Effort can reduce bias but not eliminate it. I even went so far as subject matter bias. I love radio and I searched deperately for some evidence that Cooper used two way radios to rendevous with an accomplice. I even made radio jumps proving it was feasible tio use a walkie talkie. I got 75 mile comms from an open canopy at about 10,000 ft. Got close to 100 miles at 16,000 ft. All for naught since there is zero evidence that Cooper was radio equipped. Havent heard from Safe in a while. I've always wondered if he did the Skunk Cam Scam? I liked his video series on the money find, even though I disagreed with some of it. Safe put a lot of thought and work into those videos. I know nothing about genetics but my kid does. He is a synthetic bio major with a job in a top research lab with all the very latest toys. His wife is a PhD candidate in genetics. He can run some PCR stuff in his lab if someone can get me some tie samples. How come Tom gets tie stuff and we don't? I know there is only so much to go arond, but he didnt do genetic analysis as far as I know and we can do those tests. Come on Ckret, send me a sample. Its no skin off your neck, just Cooper's. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yep, I think the same about snow but who knows what pm's he sent to quade...you know, while pulling too many silver tabs and posting. I try to not post impulsively especially when drinking late nights. I know Snow and I very much doubt that alcohol had anything to do with it. I've never seen him have a drink actually. I'd bet it's just organic anti authoritarianism, probably a genetic component if you dig deep enough. Don't know what his PMs were, but posting an FU Q on the forum didnt exactly help the Snowmman-Quade bonding process. Still, a life sentence is a bit extreme for a few bad words or what Q perceives as anti-social forum behavior. If you look at risk versus reward I think it's worth letting Snow back. He finds stuff that nobody else does, time after time. What's the risk? A few swear words and a bad attitude once in a while? I can handle it. Perhaps Snow can use my bad behavior free-pass quota. I should have a surplus in my account. Are they like frequent flyer miles Quade, can they be transferred? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yes, he did. The FBI apparently was on his trail too, but there was no public info about their pursuit when Snow ID'd him as a person of interest. I was looking for a skydiver or smoke jumper who worked for Boeing prior to the skyjack, but I never found Pete. Snow is such a great researcher. Shame that Quade wont let him back after such a long banishment. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Eagle Eye Pete is indeed one cool dude.. An interesting part of his personna is that he is an ex Marine who is 100% anti-war. He's seen war first hand as an advisor in Viet Nam. He witnessed atrocities committed by US forces in Viet Nam and writes about the horror in his book. He hates war and works for peace and justice. He has a lot of credibility in my eyes. He is also a fearless jumper. His exploits range from night jumps in SE Asia, flying home made bat wings to jumping in China when age 71 on gear that looks really sketchy to me, no cutaway mechanism that I can see. Pete throws convention out the door. Was he Cooper? The FBI thought he might be, twice actually, but finally ruled him out on tie DNA. I'm not sure if he was Cooper or not, but Pete would have made a perfect Cooper: totally qualified, fearless, innovative and a guy that defies convention. That unusual obsession with AGL (altitude above ground) is also reflected in the very last part of his book, where Grecco, having bribed a helo pilot with a handful of twenties to take him North, is about to make a solo freefall into enemy territory in Viet Nam. He frets about the hilly terrain, wondering if he might go to low in freefall just depending on the helo barometric altimeter. There is also a passage in the book about walking along the banks of the Columbia river freezing weather in inadequate clothing and wearing soaking wet loafer type shoes. Pete keeps up on skydiving news and I am sure he is reading this now, but stays silent. Makes you wonder. Read this autobiographical piece Pete wrote: http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/sn/vote/peterson_s/paper3.html http://www.myspace.com/peacenikpete Pete says he was broke in 1973. If he was Cooper, he shouldn't have been broke in 73, UNLESS he lost the money. The Tena Bar money could be evidence that that loot was separated from Cooper during the jump. Its all speculative, who knows? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Musika may have got a few facts wrong in her story. I am, however, really glad she published her very entertaining three part DBC series in Parachutist. She is keeping the Cooper legend alive with a new generation of skydivers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Here you go Jo: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:A24b5pzwW0gJ:parachutistonline.com/content/secrets-db-cooper-part-three-criminal-profile+sheridan+peterson+DB+Cooper+musika+parachutist&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sheridan Peterson, D-2024 wrote: Pretty damned cool Pete! We know you read this forum, why not just say hi? You dont have to talk about Cooper stuff. Tell us about the gear you jumped in China. Looks like no cutaway mechanism??? Great photo of you in Musika's Parachutist article. Hope I look that good and am still jumping when I am that old. My kid lives in Beijing and says skydiving is VERY expensive in China. How much was your jump? What kind of canopy? How was your landing? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Widely avaiable Jo. They made a movie of it too. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0226500667/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/186-8689589-7208054 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yeah, Farflung indeed has a gift. We get his talents free here Robert. If you get him published, our free ride will end. Farflung will soon be hob nobbing with the elite and holding court at posh book signing parties. There will be talk of a movie. There will be groupies. He will deny he ever knew us, and wisely so. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sigh. I want a solution, not an endless mystery. We've got a few plausible Coopers. Pick one and let's have a party. This new Sheridan Peterson info is tantalizing, but the FBI has had two swings at that pitch and they walked. No home run, no grand slam. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

377, My interest is in determining the navigational and communications capability of the NWA aircraft. Presumably, the famous Captain Bohan's OK. As far as voice comms, only VHF AM, nothing else. I spoke extensively with a Capt who flew the line and did check rides and training in NWA 727s through the 70s and he said abslutely positively no RTTY in any of their 727s. Some NWA planes that flew internationally had HF SSB but it was never used domestically. Nav was mostly done with VOR/DME. ADFs werent used much other than to find the outer marker and occasionally listen to news, baseball or football games. but they were installed, and loops were calibrated to give accurate nulls. If you are looking at accuracy the most precise nav available was VOR and DME. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No info on instrument mfrs, but I'll try to look up the other stuff. From memory, ADFs (2) can be displayed on dual pointer RMI (will accept 2 azimuth selsyn inputs). Not sure what can be displayed on HSI, certainly one VOR. 2 VHF AM comm radios. 2 VOR to/from radial instruments. DME. No HF SSB, no INS., no RTTY. My manual is from Continental for domestic ops. NWA might have been equipped differently. What is the purpose of your question? Nav accuracy or? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo: Commans Solo: a special C 130 which I would love to own. Bet Georger wants one too. I could jump from it and also do some insane radio stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_EC-130 Multi op: multiple radio operators operating a communication station, typically during a ham radio contest. http://k9jy.com/blog/2009/05/04/multi-operator-contesting-teams-and-sleep-deprivation/ Why try to control Snow's quantity? Just skip what doesnt interest you. You post a lot and so do I. It does no real harm. Skipping is soooo easy. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't give me that tree falling in an unoccupied forest stuff, they just sound funny. If they were smart they'd hear it themselves. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Damn right he does. They just sound funny PERIOD. It isnt relative or situational. No wonder the Dodgers left. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.