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Clue: Knoss is an inventor. Has patents, I guess. Key word is: INVENTION. inventors invent. There is also Obstruction, making false claims, and filing false reports - as an option ? I have patents. Snow has patents. Georger himself may have a few. The patent office is supposed to reject patent applications that fail to provide support for the invention claims or which defy the laws of physics. A few perpetual motion machines slip through the cracks and result in issued patents. Bob truly puzzles me. I disagree with his entire Norjack hypothesis but can't see what's in it for him to make up a fake story and promulgate it. The limited attention and notoriety he gets on here isn't worth the trouble. He's not making any money. It doesnt get him laid. I'm an engineer not a psychologist. Maybe the answer is over my head. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I will! Bet Sloggo will too. I disagree with Jo all the time, but it doesnt spike my blood pressure. It's all just words in a forum. You can dim it, brighten it, highlight it, turn it off, etc. Try doing that with real life tangible problems. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK Bob, some simple questions for for the official "record keeper" of Project Norjack: What plane was used for the jump training? What airport did it operate from? Where were the practice jumps made? How high were the exits? Who was the pilot? Who did the exit spotting? Were the chutes steerable? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, You miss the obvious. Ckret would become a giant in law enforcement history if he solved Norjack. Do you really think he would participate in a coverup? The FBI wants the case solved. It's the only thing between them and a perfect record on nabbing skyjackers. The FBI of today has no interest in covering up the errors of yesterday's (1970's) FBI. The FBI is capable of admitting screwups. They have even arrested their own agents, quite a few actually. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-15/justice/connolly.sentence_1_winter-hill-gang-connolly-mob?_s=PM:CRIME http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/10/07/2007-10-07_rogue_fbi_agents_fate_in_the_hands_of_co.html http://rrracket.blogspot.com/2010/03/rogue-fbi-agent-acted-as-collector.html http://www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html Everytime I read conspiracy and coverup I translate it into excuses for not finding solid evidence to support a conclusion. Can't find solid evidence, claim it is being hidden. Can't find records, claim they were cynically destroyed to thwart your quest. Give Ckret proof that a person was DBC and he'd be all over it. I am no FBI fan, but I do not believe for one second that they would engage in a coverup of Norjack this late in the game. It just wouldn't make sense. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Just sittin back and watchin the train wreck Check this http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.4224089&lon=-123.8016862&z=18&l=0&m=b And another http://wikimapia.org/#lat=47.1320675&lon=-122.4819428&z=17&l=0&m=b Can't top this one Bob unless you go to Dayton: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/consolidated-vultee-rb-36h-peacemaker/view/?service=2 Bet Sheridan Peterson is glad to be out of the DBC spotlight. If he werent so old he would have been right in the thick of it in Egypt. Zero doubt. Can someone remind me as to why Ted Braden seems to be off the DBC short list? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Was wondering where you've been Amazon. I see a C 119 has joined the boneyard fleet at Fox Field. Looks like an ex Hemet Valley fire tanker. The 119s had a nasty habit of shedding wings leading the USFS to refuse to contract them for future fire seasons. The 119s were also very marginal on one engine. The town of Hemet got painted red by one that had engine trouble after lift off and had to dump the load to stay alive. All this talk about DBC conspiracies and coverups is kinda funny. Like conspirators would really be telling it all on this backwater forum. I always thought Ckret was a little over the top in saying that airline people wouldnt do a crime like Norjack. First officers think of little else other than getting the pay prestige and benefits that come to a guy in the left seat. I can't see Rataczak risking his entire career and his freedom to do some criminal stunt in the name of improving airline security. I will bet there are a few co pilots who'd be happy to push the four striper out the door sans chute because it would move themselves one notch up on the pilot seniority roster. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: Density altitude at Fox Field on a hot summer day is a factor in long TO runs by fully loaded fire tankers. I think a DC 7 could operate out of Dutch Harbor. Look at what dope smugglers have done with other Big Dougs, Twin Beeches and Lockheed Lodestars. Some DC 6s got in and out of impossibly small fields. Of course they had to watch their payload weights, spark timing, fuel octane, boost levels, air temp etc. Fox Field has some real relics including a Boeing C 97, a Whitworth Argosy, a very rare Douglas A 20 used by Howard Hughes and a TF 102 jet trainer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Pricelss Farflung. Our gullibility and the technique to maintain it is fully exposed. Have you noticed how many frauds claim to have been fighter pilots? Never transports. I outed an imposter-poser who had wormed his way into a VP position at a small company that a friend was CEO of. They guy claimed to have been a USN F 4 pilot in Viet Nam. He had obviously read a lot and knew the plane, squadrons, carriers, CAGs, combat history etc. I was skeptical. I asked him about air refueling and led him into saying that he had refueled from USAF KC 97s a few times in Viet Nam. Bingo, fraud. His resume' turned out to be completely phony too. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Quade wrote: You ought to be a diplomat. So smooth. So civilized. The bloodless cut perfected. BTW great show Quade. Thanks for referring us to it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

5-6 oz of GOLD per working day??? Jerry, why arent you working that mine every day? That's roughly $7000 a day or close to $2,000,000 a year working five day weeks. How many oz can you pull out befroe depleting it to where further mining is uneconomical? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry by his own count has over 30 firearms but says:" I don't have that many of them." One of my commercial fishing friends has around the same number and he too honestly views his collection as "small". How many firearms do you need to have a medium or large collection? An unnamed poster banned from here has some home made cannons that use compressed air. They fire big projectiles very far. No federal regs. I have another friend who is working on a capacitor discharge electromagnetic rail gun. Wonder why Cooper didn't also bring a gun aboard? If hid "bomb" was detected as a fake he had no backup weapon. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The first time I have ever been called that. Where would you get that idea??? And yes, I have a gun. It is a .40 Glock 27, or commonly known as a Baby Glock. It has an interchangeable .357 barrel. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Homecoming_Queen's_Got_a_Gun?wasRedirected=true Your gun is bigger than mine Vicki. Mine is a hand pumped .177 pellet gun. Oh, the humiliation. The fascist local govt says I cant even shoot it legally in my own back yard. They can have my pellet gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Vicki wrote Yikes. The Prom Queen has a gun. I am sure Amazon has more firearms than Wal Mart ever carried. I bet Shelly has a gun safe bigger than my garage. Orange. Please tell me there is one unarmed woman on the forum. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: Thanks Georger. Looking forward to it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

On TV or? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bob wrote: I don't doubt your burning barn story Bob. I doubt Janet's alleged story. One appears to defy physics, the other doesn't. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bob wrote: Wrong Bob. Point sources can be seen for huge distances, but a human's ability to reolve spatial differences, like seeing a binary star accurately as two stars instead of inaccurately as a visually merged single star, is limited by Rayleigh's Criteria. It's all aperture limited. It applies to radar too. The ability to individually resolve targets that are very close to each other can be figured out mathematically if you know antenna aperture, beam width, frequency etc. Seeing a bulge under the rear of the 727 (stairs down) and being able to resolve a person on the stairs are two different matters. The Janet story is just not believable. If your wild story that McCoy visited her posing as an FBI SA is true, why would he threaten her? That's just flat out stupid. Best way to silence that kind of witness is to tell her that her information is of vital importance, will be analysed by our "top men" and ask for her cooperation in maintaining confidentiality so as not to compromise the case. Swearing at her and threatening her makes no sense. Many people would complain to the FBI in Wash DC or to the DOJ if they were a bystander-witness and were rudely threatened. I've dealt with a lot of FBI agents. They can get rough with suspects but they are unfailingly polite and courteous when dealing with innocent witnesses. They have really good manners, for cops. If you are going to impersonate an FBI SA you'd want to do it accurately. Accordingly, you'd refrain from swearing, threatening and acting crudely because that behavior is not the MO for a real agent. Georger knows a lot more about optics than I do and can explain the spatial resolution stuff more clearly. What Janet claims is simply unbelievable. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bob Knoss wrote: OK Bob, prove it's true. Tell me how Janet could have visually resolved a person on the stairs. Rayleigh's Criteria (spatial resolution limits for a given aperture) says no way. Do the math. I've done a jet jump and I have watched many jet jumps. Even without the equations I have a pretty good sense of what can and cannot be resolved from the ground at given vertical distances. I say Janet's story wouldn't hold water on a sunny clear day much less a dark partially cloudy night http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_resolution And her story about being rudely threatened by an FBI agent? Tell me why that makes any sense at all. And if a flare was tossed, why was Janet the only person who reported it? You wrote: "'Janet's' story. I have documentation that confirms it is true." Waiting for your documentation. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

and Robert, same goes for you re KC's shoe wardrobe. Tell us what you know. One pair of Ferragamos and I am ruling him out. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Tell us about Duane's shoe wardrobe in 71. Was he more like me, OJ Simpson, or Imelda Marcos? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: Cooper must have been a Fed. I once represented a counterfeiter who avoided several attempted bulk buys that were traps. He said when the Feds pose as high roller organized crime guys, they might be wearing expensive suits but they always blew it by wearing cheap shoes. Georger would like his paper technique. He bought some kind of expensive art paper that was a very good match to currency paper, boiled styptic pencils to get a solution of alunimum and titanium salts, dipped the paper, then shredded silk threads onto the wet paper and pressed them in with a commercial ironing press. They were way better than most fake bills. This was before the days of color copiers. I've seen a lot of FBI agents who dressed well for court but they always had cheap dress shoes. How do I know they were cheap dress shoes? They matched mine. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't forget Shredded Wheat. Let's get back to DB Cooper, remember him? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote You are one of the more civil participants here Jo, and I do appreciate your good manners, but in fact this needs to be a Jerry Springer show, no use trying to dress it up as something else. We need a morbidly obese spurned lover who magically breaks free from Jerry's beefy security boys and starts beating the skinny "slut" that her bail jumping paternity skipping boyfriend has shacked up with. Or better yet, one of KC's gay lovers telling all with lots of tears and hints of wild times in an Airstream. Brokeback Skyjack if you get the picture. Calm rational discourse does not attract viewers and ratings is the name of the game on TV. You need sex, violence and crying. The only exception is dancing. Dancing shows get good ratings, but this subject won't fit that genre. Farflung will be in charge of the production. He knows what to do. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bob wrote If it goes out a full decade is it still a tease? Or is it a bluff? Do we have two teasers or is Jo alone? Jo, was the TV program the focus of your most recent tease? Hope Galen mans up and faces his purported executioner. Hope Jo appears too. This is shaping up to be the DBC Super Bowl. I am putting Farflung in charge of halftime entertainment. That guarantees a hot songstress and a wardrobe malfunction. Snowmman should be solicited to participate in the questioning. If he does he'll let Robert shred Galen, then he'll shred Robert. Super Bowl or Destruction Derby? You decide. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange wrote: Somehow I just knew it wasnt't gonna be Norman Rockwell... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.