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Dude, you're not a cop. How or why could you say if you would have secured the scene? 51 shots were fired. People bleeding all over the place. Officers injured from the ramming another officer injured from being clipped from another car. With all this going on, you can honestly say that the first thing you would have done would be to secure the firearm and failure to do so is poor police work. Boy, either you are Mr. SuperCool under pressure or you have no emotions whatsoever. Who do you think had to call for an ambulance for the dying and the injured? Who do you think went around making sure the officers in the black van were injured or not. Who do you think went around making sure the officer struck by the vehicle was injured or not? Since they weren't Mr. Supercool under pressure like you are or Superhuman, do you honestly think that would be the first thing that went in their mind? "I gotta secure the gun. I gotta find the weapon." You weren't there. You're not a cop and you cannot say what you would do if you're not presented with that much stress in a short time span. You just said it yourself pal. It was just threat of bodily injury. They were being further observed. When someone mentions that they're going to get a gun and 3 guys are congregrating outside a car with the doors open and are observed or heard to be making gestures about shooting someone that's good reason to believe that the firearm is in the car and they're about to take actions on their threats. Me no say. Newspaper say. How are you already judging him without even knowing all the facts or what transpired at that moment? I thought you were experienced in gun cases. So you're telling me that makes it okay to run over other people and ram cars? So you're telling me if this is the only evidence you were presented with, you would clear anyone from running over cops dead and ramming their cars? You and I were not there. So my argument would be: Why couldn't the driver make a U turn to avoid the van that blocked them? Why couldn't they drive on the sidewalk to avoid everyone? Why couldn't they just drive backwards and keep going until they were clear and free? So seeing a brandished gun is not a threat? So you're telling me that with all the gun fire going on, you can honestly distinguish if gun fire was coming at you from inside the vehicle? Wow, you are really Mr. Supercool under pressure. That's okay. I'm proud of what I do my friend. At least I can sleep at night not making assumptions on what "I would do or what I should have done." if I were a cop. You make a great prosecuting atty! You're so objective! And you're so Mr. Supercool under pressure! What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

Nothing is cut and dry my friend. I merely read more than one newspaper article and I watched more than one news excerpt than probably all of you combined. Which is what most of you should have done before running your mouth off about it. You guys are like whuffos that read what the media says about Skydiving fatalities and don't get all the facts first. Amadou Diallo is not what this topic is about. Read the subject "NYPD bullet kills Groom on Wedding Day". I fail to see where it mentions Amadou Diallo. What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

Excellent point GQ! Alot of people that are not from NYC and do not come from a law enforcement background will never understand this. By chiming in on what the NYPD could have done or shouldn't have done, we're Monday Night Quarterbacking. We were not there to witness any of these events that took place. We're only basing our opinions on how the media portrays the situation. Doesn't this sound unfair when the media does the same thing for skydiving fatalities and what not? They're not giving you the full story. First of all, the media failed to mention that 1 of the black male passengers of the 3 that were in the car had a history of felony arrests that included drug possession charges. I've worked with a lot of ex-convicts in the mailroom and as couriers. I've heard it from the horses' mouth about how they're very adamant about not ever going back to jail and that they'll kill a cop if they have to in order to stay out of jail and retain their freedom. I've heard a majority of the ex-cons mention this to me and most of them feel the same exact way. Some of them are law abiding and some of them are still into drugs, partying and occassional fighting to defend their stand. Anyway, so knowing that there was an ex-con among the passengers is one of the things the media failed to mention initially. Then, inside the club they failed to mention that the one of the 2 passengers, well call him passenger #1 had an argument with another drug dealer (who was not one of the 3 men that were shot at). The argument ended with one of the passenger #1 gesturing with his hands to the drug dealer that he was going to shoot him. Then, passenger#1 told passenger #2 that he was going to shoot the muthaf#$! and to go get his gun. The undercover police that were working inside the club overheard this and followed the men outside to their car. Undercover cop#1 approached the men in the vehicle and identified himself as a police officer. The 2 passengers jumped into the car and told the driver to drive off. That's when the whole ramming of the black car and the clipping of the police officer happened. The officers noticed that the passenger in the front seat had his hands inside his belt and brandished a firearm and that's when the firing occurred. The cop identified himself and told the people in the car to stop. When they failed to stop and tried to run down the van, the passenger of the vehicle in the front seat had his hands inside his belt and brandished a firearm. Like Billvon said, The driver did not listen to the officer when he told him to stop his car. The passenger in the front seat had brandished his gun. So the cop reacted on what he was trained to do, his life was in eminant danger because that passenger had a gun in his hand. The driver had a depraved indifference to human life by trying to run people over. You wouldn't wait to shoot until you got shot at, would you? Why the 51 shots you asked. If you shot someone once and they kept raising their gun and pointing at you, are you going to stop after you shot him once or are you going to keep shooting until he drops that gun? It's easy for you to Monday Night Quarterback this whole situation because you weren't there. You weren't in a situation where it was life and death and you had to protect your life and your partner's lives. Most of you would probably just freeze and let yourself get run over or let yourself get shot at and piss and shit your pants. It's easy for you to Monday Night Quarterback this whole situation and judge cops because you're not a cop. Most of you weren't even in combat in the military. You're all talk on what shouldn't have been done and what not! You guys that talk are going to be the first ones going up to a cop crying and complaining that someone robbed you or someone pointed a gun at you. And it's not white on black or black on white. Get your freakin' facts straight. The officer that was nearest to the car that shot 11 times was black. The other officers that shot were black and one of them were hispanic. There were two white cops there too. One of them was inside a car. Just because someone is getting married the following day doesn't make him a saint. Friends will help out other friends and they will have steel balls and beer muscles when they're drunk. And if a friend doesn't want to go back to jail to get butt fucked all day or suck dicks all day, he'll do whatever it takes to stay out of jail and his friends will help him. Why no gun at the scene? All it takes is a few seconds and it will disappear. It's NY for pete's sake! It has happened numerous times in NYC. I've seen a situation where 2 cops were bringing down a store robbery suspect and they only turned away for less than a minute to put the cuffs on him and within that time the store robber's goody bag which was worth $2,000 of stolen goods disappeared. Right in front of a crowd of 30 people. No one saw a thing. This is NY if anyone sees a gun on the floor they're not going to do what you non-city folk will do. They'll pick it up and hide it in their pocket? Why? It's a free fuckin' gun, that's why? It can be sold for money or it can be used in an assassination and it can't be traced. In this situation, police identified a man that was near the vehicle when this happened but disappeared shortly after. Read more than one newspaper. Watch more than one news excerpt. Next time get your facts first before you become Judge, Jury and Executioner. You guys would make lousy jurors in NYC. Really lousy ones! What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!