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While s/he has some points - It is a word game issue. Perhaps Re-structure, or demilitarize, or transforming, or community-service policing, etc.. “People are seeing for the first time just how militarized the police force is. And this militarization is contributing, potentially, to the higher rates of violence that we’re seeing more ubiquitously in this particular movement that’s happening right now,” Sabrina Karim, a professor of government at Cornell University, told “Marketplace Morning Report” host David Brancaccio. “I’ll also say that militarized policing is not just specific to the response to protests. But also it’s kind of everyday policing. So you see things like the no-knock raids that killed Breonna Taylor,” she said. https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/12/police-departments-1033-military-equipment-weapons/

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I've been reviewing this "de-fund" the cops thing and at first my instinct was this may not be a good thing. But, the more I learned about it; the more it made sense. Not unlike my neighborhood growing up. Take members of the community, in that community, and make them part of the community service program (and take away the military uniforms). "Stop having the cats set out more mouse traps" as was said. A model for consideration is. Camden NJ used to be known for its violence. They defunded and changed the entire department and now have half the crime rate they did. Not unlike my neighborhood growing up or the small town USA. "In the absence of reliable evidence of the effectiveness of proactive policing, it is time to consider how proactive policing reform might reduce crime and increase well-being in the most heavily policed communities." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5 Having a military background and being an active part of the veteran community; we treat each death with a memorial service. During the height of the war; we would meet the plane, escort the service member to the funeral home hearse, escort it to the funeral home, stand in line at the funeral home and then when the service was over, escort the family to the cemetery and have full honors. I share this with you because all over the country veterans have national cemeteries and the big one is Arlington in which there is a national televised spot - to remember; once a year. Hollywood has it's stars on the sidewalk. Vietnam has its wall, WWII has its memorial. The minority community getting killed by cops has nothing. Perhaps a memorial of some type. Let's call it a wall - with the names of those killed, with the towns they were killed in, by the name of the police department. A place that people could go to mourn. A centralized place where people could go to hold a protest as well as a memorial service. Family & friends can gather. It would be a memorial wall for those killed, but a wall of shame for those cities and police departments that were on there also. A place where a city, town, or community would not want their name. And, if it should happen again; a place for all people around the country to join together in memory, a place to protest that grows every time it happens until at some point - a Mayor or governor is going to say, "Our town will NOT be on that wall." To be a constant reminder. Just a thought. If we look at all the people killed by cops - it is staggering. It is an attitude with the cops, but it is also an issue with the leadership governing the police. Black men getting shot in the back, 11 year old girls getting tased, etc. It goes on and on and it fades away with the next news cycle. Less than a week after George Floyd was killed; there was a African-American cop with a choke hold on a 14 year old African-American boy - a lady walked up and said he can't breathe. He told her to go away and continued. There needs to be a change in the police department and there needs to be a change in society. We can only hope that George Floyd is the last, but we have hoped for that each time in the past and it didn't work

Referring to the attitude of bullyism. Not if he didn't happen upon it like I did with the above post. It's not a made up context. Go do some reading on bullyism. Look, Jakee it's in your nature to develop a circular argument and keep it going forever. Yobnoc is not going to apologize to Turtle and I'm not going to apologize to him. So, let's move on. If he wants to speak with me about it - he's welcome to PM me and we can talk man-to-man about it.

Ummmm. No. Because Tony is talking directly to Turtlespeed. Not about him to the room like you are doing. Again. Nor, did I imply you were a racist. I [specifically] said that you were acting like the cops with their bullying attitude. One of the primary factors in cyber-bullying is talking about someone in the room without their knowledge. No different than talking about someone behind their back trying to garner favor with the rest of the room to elevate their own status. If you have an issue with someone - talk directly to them. Not about them.

Now you're getting the idea.

I'm not the only one who thought you crossed a line.

I am. You are right. I don't like bullies, so I bully them. It's how you get bullies to back off. They're not use to it and it rocks their world. And you asked for an apology of which I have no intention of giving for bullying a bully. But, I do thank you for that wonderful Internet diagnosis. But, you know - every time someone uses the phrase "Passive-Aggressive" I wonder why they hate women.

Man, you have really got to go back and finish that Psych degree. I call out someone for bullying another and there's an expectation from me to apologize and then to be called a passive-aggressive bully. Got it. Oh and just for the record - those "Jim Crowe Days" were "all enacted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures to disenfranchise and remove political and economic gains made by blacks during the Reconstruction period."

Cause that's exactly what he did. He showed up with his horse and saw which way the fight was and picked up that camp's flag and charged into battle. I'm thinking about grilling up some fajitas for dinner. You're welcome to stop by. Cold beer too.

I did double-check the picture in my office of his SCR in 2003 and . . . Well, a considerable number of us in here have met. Even broke bread.

I'm sorry that conboy showed up after three months to verbally and publicly chastise Turtle cause it was the thing to do that day. Let me ask you a question. You think people would talk to Turtle the same way if he were black? It's all in the attitude, my man. Cops weren't fucking bullies until they put on the military uniforms. Cause little boys wanna be cops and cops wanna be soldiers.

I think it's more of a concern about erosion. Each party uses the other's pattern of erosion to get what they want. Kind of a peanut bowl approach. One peanut at a time until "they" have the whole bowl. It's just which side is the loudest or creates the most fear in their marketing efforts.

Violence begins with words. There's nothing weird about it. It's an attitude of bullyism. No different than the cops.Wade into a room with your tactical uniform on and swagger to the first one in the room who's picking on someone. P..S. Thank you for an excellent example of the responsibility/fault fallacy. Instead of an apology to Turtle - it's my fault. Do better.

Nobody is on my ignore list. And if they were; I hope I'd have enough class to not feel the need to announce it to everyone else for some brownie points.

Since Jerry is on my Ignore List, I really do not know what he posted and that is the good news.

What you did after being gone for three months was scroll through the threads - see that Turtle was on the ground getting the shit kicked out of him and decided to jumps on the dog-pile. Glad he's not black and you're not a cop. Bullies will be bullies whether in-person or on the Internet.

We appreciate that.

I'm not changing the subject: I acknowledged it and have no knowledge of it, don't know how or if it was committed, so no input. Ummm, you do know I was the one who posted the article about the postal worker, right? There's enough poop on both sides.

It wasn't just now. It was yesterday. Governor Walz asked the President for financial help to mobilize the National Guard of which the Governor is the CiC. Then Governor Walz signed Executive Order 20-64 authorizing the to support Minneapolis and surrounding communities."The Guard said a “key objective” was to make sure fire departments could respond to calls, and said in a follow-up tweet it was “here with the Minneapolis Fire Department” to assist. But no move was made to put out the 3rd Precinct fire. Assistant Fire Chief Bryan Tyner said fire crews could not safely respond to fires at the precinct station and some surrounding buildings." Now he did say, "Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts." And, I do have a serious issue with that. I sincerely hope the NG Commanders will act in compliance with their written mission. We do NOT need another Kent State incident.

No argument, Brother. Joe is right. From Amazon to C-19; every business is going to have to scrap their five-year strategic plan and reinvent themselves. Gone are the days of brick & mortar to have a footprint. One of my favorite business stories thru this has been Texas Roadhouse. Not one day after they had to close as a non-essential business did they re-invent themselves into a "Pick up dinner for the family and cook at home" business. It was an awesome process. You called and your choices were dinner for 2, 4, 6, or any multiples of 2. They had the whole dinner in a bag or box. It came with bread, salad, veggies, dessert, etc. Your only choice to make was type of steak. They had a line going and you did not wait. Literally grab & go. When they could expand to cooking, but not allowing customers inside, same process, but now everything was cooked. Innovation will remain the key ingredient for all businesses. For Stan, I don't know if it was just time, the willingness to re-invent, etc. But, it is the end of an institution. Best words ever; you need to go to Stan's.

No. Your point was putting the, "government in the position of being the arbiter of politically acceptable speech." That's when it happened and has continued to happen for all those years. The US Supreme court has heard how many cases on free speech. Article 2, section 2 is a rule of law. He can use EO to affect certain tenets of law, but "in the end" it will have to go thru congress.

I have to be honest with you. I'm not sure how this is or going to work. Primarily, I don't recall any President changing their residence mid-stream. On that matter, I'm not sure any sitting President could pass the teddy bear test.

My friends on the left are going to love this one. What a Bonehead. https://time.com/5843088/west-virginia-mail-carrier-fraud-absentee-ballots/

NOOOOOOOOoooooo!!! I weep. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52663603