Widgeon

Who is that on the first crash? Blue/orange VX I think.

He wasn't always with Aerodyne.

Call Aubrey at Aerodyne, he's got a fair amount of experience with them both.

No shit?

Looks like he just reverses his turn at the right time and the oscillations carry into THAT SHIT... Kept giving myself line twists no matter how hard I tried. Best I could get was a crooked looking barrel roll. Now I know I can't do everything with this canopy!

Dude, a crossfire has a cascaded lineset. How are you pulling on just the A lines?

How many "similar seized" conventional canopies are out there compared to your JVX? I'll do it just land off and steal it!!!!! I hope it matches my rig too!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, all of you(Ian, Mark, Steve...) make valid points about the value of learning on the CPC; fair enough and I'll give it my best on every run. I'd be happy to go home from each comp safe and knowing that I flew up to par all day, regardless of who goes home with a trophy or a check. I don't know how you're gonna do that, but we'll see. I'll be there in January. But if this shit doesn't work....

That might be part of the problem, just a possibility. 'Trim Specs' are the trim specifications your canopy's lines should fall within to be in the correct configuration. It's just basically the lengths of your lines. Para-Concepts(815 434 6094) is the service center Icarus canopies uses on the east coast to perform any repairs or reline work. Again, you might want a rigger to check your canopy out to make sure the lines are right. Hope this helps.

Navigator 220 Raider 220 Sabre2 190 Spectre 170 Sabre 170 Sabre 150 Nitro 135(briefly...Couldn't afford it!) Sabre2 135 Sabre2 120 Safire 129 Crossfire 119 FX 104/108 next VX 89/94 after that JVX.2 ?? after THAT!!!!!!!!

Does your canopy have the original lines in place? If you had it relined or it has been relined before you bought it, who did it? Have your rigger get the trim specs from Para-Concepts and check it out. There might be something wrong. You want heavy riser pressure, jump mine.

Why would you want to get all the way to the "static stall point" on landing anyway? You wouldn't want to accidentally stall it. Maybe you let out a little too much because the sweet spot of the flare on the stiletto isn't supposed to be much lower than your chest strap, maybe down around your handles at the most. Get some video of your landings, you might see you're getting on your brakes a little too high and you're just running out of flare power just as you touch down. I set the brakes on my crossfire so that I'm about an inch away from my stall point when the toggles are down as far as I can push them. I can get my risers down a pretty good ways without any tail deflection at all.

One of the AFF instructors at my DZ did a jump on my xf1 119 loaded up just a little more than me and said the risers were heavier than his VX89... Guess there's even more to look forward to.

OK, you're flying in a side by side configuration (2 way) and you want to go up to build a stairstep, but you have a problem. You must do all the work in that the other canopy will lay a base for you to work off of. Rear risers will keep better speed than toggles but I seem to be running out of speed and lift and have a little trouble getting all the way up to the slot. Wingloadings put me a little ahead of my partner and his canopy seems to outlglide me once I start to get up two thirds of the way. Any suggestions about maybe building more speed before making the move?

Do not decide without trying out a Safire2. It came out after the Sabre2 but before the Pilot so the technology is top notch. All Safire2s are made in Spain these days so there isn't the 'quality control' issues that plagued the safire1 in the past that were US made under license by Precision Aerodynamics. Icarus brings alot to the table with this offering.

I saw a Katana two weeks ago in Deland lined with vectran. Could be wrong, but I thought I heard Rickster say it would be an optional lineset. Ask Kolla.

What size/wingloading are you planning on?

I can see where you're coming from on this, but lets look at it from another perspective. Lean forward in a stationary swing, obviously you tilt forward; lean back and we tilt backwards. When the swing is in motion, which way do we lean to go forward? By leaning back and extending our legs, we're putting as much weight as we have available behind the pivot point to drive it forward and down with more effect. Leaning forward as soon as the swing started down would kill some of the energy we have going, right? Wouldn't a coordinated movement under a canopy accomplish a similar effect? Think about it, if you could hold something back throughout your maneuver and were able to 'release' more energy into your final roll out, you'd have more power to work with in your swoop. I'm not saying the same technique for a peice of playground equipment can be used in swooping, but the principle and the idea I think could be utilized if you could nail down a way to do it. It seems to me that this could be an angle of attack issue. I think everyone that uses rears has experienced this to some degree by changing direction at the right time while keeping up the mometum. I still think the forward lean just gives you a more compact profile under the canopy. This is some Brian Germain shit here but just the conclusions I've drawn through my experimenting with it. If it works for you, or even if you think it does, stick with it because I can't argue with results. Definitely something to think about though, because I could always use something to get more out of what I've got.....thanks.

I've seen this posted a few times and wonderd about how this works. If this concept of inputs worked, I should feel my canopy increase in speed and dive more, if while in full flight I just pressed forward into my chest strap and leaned forward as hard as I could. I've tried it, alot, and I cannot feel any difference except this a very uncomfortable way to fly around. Not knocking you at all, but please eloborate a little more on this and anyone else who might be using this technique. I just have a hard time understanding how if we are only connected to our canopies at the two lateral points, how would pivoting weight beneath that point do anything to dive the canopy any harder? I'm not sure, but this sounds to me like all that is going on is you're just presenting less of your surface area to the relative wind you experience in a dive. Wouldn't just drawing your legs up and staying a little smaller under your canopy throughout your maneauver accomplish the same thing? Maybe at my wingloading (1.7)the difference is too small to notice.

The riser pressure is pretty heavy on mine as well. Others have jumped my canopy and agreed. It takes some getting used to, but there are a few things you can do to try to deal with it. Turning from brakes is one way to get the pressure down for sure, but might be a little less consistent. Experiment with different riser lengths and you may find you've got a little extra 'horsepower' if you get to reach up an extra few inches. I changed from 20" risers to 23s and it made all the difference in the world. Flying in full flight to my initiation point everytime made my swoops alot more consistent too. Just stick it out for awhile and you'll settle into something that works for you. If you still don't like it, you can always use just the harness, IF you can figure that out......but that's the fun part.

I understand the rules, and I agree that coaching is the best way to improve consistency on setups. If you need clarification between a camp like one of these and an actual competittive meet, I'm sure whoever is hosting one near you can explain the difference. Obviously, the best way to improve is through experience and practice and I hope to gain a clearer idea of what and how to practice through one of these camps to supplement the one on one caoching I'm already getting. Hope that makes better sense. Sorry if you misunderstood.

This will be a little different, but thanks for your support. Thanks to everyone willing to get involved with making these camps and this sort of training happen.

C'mon......I want to see more responses from the people this intended for. The only way to make sure these events happen and continue to happen is through attendance and demand. Don't just lurk this thread, post your thoughts about it! EVERYONE that has never been in an actual comp will benefit from these camps and you also might learn about your future competitors.

Do you already know how to swoop? Do you understand current competition regulations and rules for the specific events you are interested in competing in? How many of you would attend a camp if you had one scheduled far enough in advance in your area? I know of a few places where these training camps will be held this coming season but wanted to see how much interest there would be from the people they are intended for.

If the container is recent enough or you're willing to fork out the cash for the riser tuck tab mod($250), there's not a damn thing wrong with them. Mike Gruwell, one of the finest riggers I've ever seen, the Master Rigger that runs the Chutingstar Rigging Loft wrote a very thorough review on the Dolphin in the gear section. I owned one for my first 100 or so jumps and it was a great rig. You will want to upgrade later, but these rigs are fine while you're just getting started or to hang on to for CReW or something later.

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