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Because of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mindset ?! "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Try Marc Lancaster aka masterrigger1 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=masterrigger1; cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

OK, I'll answer that. 1. I've seen main blow apart only 5 jumps since brand new. Higher jump number doesn't necessary means more dangerous to jump. 2. I used the word "might" because I don't want to send a wrong message that every canopy with patches and out of trim is airworthy. Some patches are well made, others are just crap. You don't know what "might" be the case. The same counts for the canopy "out of trim". Some canopies handle trim changes better than others. It all depend of size,model...... I hope you see why I choose the word "might". I would have no doubts if I see the hypothetical canopy. 3. You are right. Most of the time is waiting with the rig on. However if you have made 6-8-10 jumps per day, you know how important is well fitting rig. During that time, your 2000+ $ main does nothing for your comfort. 4. Actually I meant that the value of the rig is higher than the value of the main. Have you seen a main with 3000+ jumps? I haven't. But I've seen a lot of rigs with that amount of jumps still airworthy and still in use. To each their own. It's fine if you disagree. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Facepalm is something you do when your mom doesn't want to give you a cookie after the dinner. I just gave you my reasons why I'm packing mine 300$ main into mine 3000$ rig. And that is what I advice people to buy when they have money only for one brand new item. You may disagree and that's fine, just don't overreact Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

I will never understand this logic. You have to use your main on basically 100% of jumps so why jump some ragged out/possibly out of trim "older" parachute? When I see people pack a $300 (if that) parachute into a $3000 rig I simply wonder, why? Because the main is something you have fun with and the rig is something that saves your life every time you leave the plane. Because a main with 10 patches and 5 cm out of trim is cheap but might still be airworthy ,and a poorly fitting rig is safety hazard. Because you spend up to 10 times more time in your harness than under your main. Because you can make more jumps on a new rig than on a new canopy..... ...And the list goes on "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

How about working as a rigger full time at one of Europe's busier rigging lofts? Would he be more likely to see things like that there? Funny you mentioned that Tom. Actually I saw this when I went back to my home country last week

It was previously assembled. Only one rigger before me. Just curious ~ is it SOP to contact the prior rigger? As a matter of fact, this is the 4th time I'm contacting that rigger. After misrigged skyhook, after I saw a harness with torn 3 p.st. on the chest strap with 0 jumps after the repack and after I found a Vigil with an old cutter that was packed 3 years after the mandatory SB. Doesn't look like he is going to change. And to answer your next question:" No, he will keep his license unless somebody die." "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

It was previously assembled. Only one rigger before me. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

It would be unlikely to see that kind of stuff in any jump plane

I know that. But I never saw it with my own eyes. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

My first reaction was "You've gotta be kidding me" "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

After this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4468708;page=unread#unread I knew that the guy is a troll with behavior problems. He can't change. The only thing we can do is ignore him and he will go away....like many before him! "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Nope. It loads white loop way beyond its breaking strength. Broken loop= riser release. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Look at the attached photo! It happens really often with the standard 3 ring risers. Mainly on tandems, but I've seen it on student rigs as well. When I worked as a packer I had to "fix" several risers every day. All you have to do to prevent the riser from breaking is to push it back to normal position. To have a broken riser from lockdown, all you need is a) lazy packer(or a packer who doesn't care) and b) tandem master who doesn't check his gear before jump. cheers edited to correct some typos "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

If you don't have a MARD (Skyhook) you have a chance of your reserve p/c clearing the trailing main. If you have a MARD, your p/c will be directly dragged into the mess. Of course you are assuming that the MARD will stay connected to the bridle, which may or may not be the case. We know that the Skyhook sometimes disconnects from the bridle, before the freebag being extracted. Many of those occasions happen at higher speed. When a riser break, the speed will still be high, so there's a chance that there won't be any difference between broken riser with a RSL and a MARD without Collins Lanyard. To be honest I don't believe anyone has ever tested that scenario. Or if I'm wrong and the guys at UPT(or anyone else) have done that, I hope to see the video or the data someday. Until then the answer of that question will be pure speculation IMO. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Good you came up with this one yourself. So how is the Collins Lanyard going to work, when a jumper fail to route the yellow cable through it after cleaning the release cables once a month? I've seen this not once, but twice. What about the negative side of the Collins Lanyard that forced you to release a product update and a PSB? I think it's also worth mentioning when you give an general overview of a product. Happy new year everyone Stay safe out there! "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Hi Rob, Are you sure about that one? ....and they are still working to get it right. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

It's a bit late for that Jerry! Santa has a "flat tire" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7BJaptphA "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

from 2004, can be extended to 20 years depending of state of gear True, but those rigs are 5-6 years away from the need to be re certified "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Just remember that they have 15 years lifetime. Sometimes looking at their label is all I do "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

THIS... I can't believe how easy riggers start blaming other riggers for a mistake or for overlooking something. It's like they never make any mistakes. If you do rigging, you gonna make a mistake. Period. If you think you won't, you are BSing yourself and your costumers..... and nobody said anything about UPT's QC! They were the people who should've stopped from getting out of the door, but guess what, they are humans and they do make mistakes as well. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Was the packjob so bad? "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry, I'm looking at an Odyssey ripcord right now and it's with ball and shank. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Another one bites the dust. While the cause of the previous damage remains a mystery, this one was easy to spot. A cracked plastic on the pin cover. Bill said something about 1000's deployments for the drogue release without any damage to the shock cord or the spectra line. I had to think about that for a moment. To be honest I've never seen a broken bungee on a Sigma drogue release....ever. And that's the same material. The big difference is that the shock cord on the ripcord is sewn with a bartack and the one on the drogue release is sewn with 2 rows of 301 stitch. Big difference. The bartack just kills the bungee. You can find a broken elastic even on a brand new ripcord. All you have to do to inspect it, is put some slack on the spectra line in the area right next to the bartack so you can feel only the bungee and squeeze it between your fingers. After all, this spectra ripcord might end up as a bad idea. I've never seen a steel ripcord damaged by a cracked plastic. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

I tried to determine this effort with the RAX system, but could not get even a one ounce load measured. Unless there is a LOT of tension on the loop, the load forces to pull the pin simply are insignificant. JerryBaumchen Hi Jerry, That's true! But if you try to pull in the opposite direction, you will get a pound or two. Remember that there's no extra flap on the "boost" to keep it orientated and the bridle goes beneath the left side flap. If you pull downwards, you'll have some resistance. Mainly because of the side flaps. The 26lbs for the Skyhook were also in the worst possible direction. That's the fair way to compare "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen