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Get in their face Obama Inciting Violence and Hate Against McCain Bristol Palin should have been aborted?! WTF! Liberal Outrage: A Pro-McCain March In Manhattan Plus considering his personal relationships with those that absolutely do advocate violence, it just makes me very hesitant about him and his beliefs. I just don't trust him. Period. And I'm not saying in ANY way that the McCain/Palin campaign is keeping things happy and peaceful either. I'm saying that it's all broke - as I've said from the beginning. The good thing is that I can have MY opinion and you can have YOURS. Then as a country we vote and decide. OR.... politics can try to bully and intimidate all into just following a party line and acquiesce without thought or reflection. - Speaking of which.... jakee, from someone that isn't open about who he is - no profile, no background, no disclosure of your beliefs except that you seem quite angry that I don't hold your same political stance and I don't echo your passion. You seem quite upset that I chose to question and doubt. YOU do as much of a dis-service to the Obama campaign as anyone. Where have I "deliberately misinterpret"ed your position? Which direct questions did I not answer... my last reply to you included post #'s for reference even. "Intellectually dishonest" - do you mean "Liar"? Are you just resorting to attacks now that the patronizing isn't working?

Asthma is a reversible airway disease that can have different symptoms (some have the typically problems breathing, some have a cough varient) and different triggers (exercise, seasonal allergies) It is quite possible that the pneumonia injured the lungs so that now they are more reactive and when exposed to the triggers, the small bronchials swell and constrict. The fact that the medicines help you to breathe so much better reinforces (but isn't diagnostic) for asthma. Give your lungs a few months to recover. Then talk to your doc about getting pulmonary function testing to fully evaluate your respiratory status. Until then... I hope that you're able to begin breathing easier.

I see that you've been taken in by Mike's pathetic slant in his first post. What does Obama's comment have to do with the incident? Please, oh please, demonstrate how it is connected? If a campaign is based on anger (and yes, I do think "get in their face" is angry and confrontational), then the one in charge of the campaign... and especially the one that said those words.... should back away from that stance when it becomes evident that anger is NOT the answer. I think Kallend is being overly critical. McCain didn't say anything, a middle management type official in his campaign did. Maybe it would be best if he apologised on behalf of his campaign workers, but he himself hasn't done anything wrong. Hmmmm. See Kallends comments himself. The position in which you stated that this incident reflected badly on Barack Obama personally. The positon by which you imply that victims are always responsible for their attacker's hatred. The position in which you seem to think that someone so psychologically unbalanced as to slice her own face in the name of politics muct have had a valid reason to do so. The position which several people here have pointed out the flaws in, and which you have conveniently moved on from rather than defend. I am not backing from my belief that Obama's campaign policies led to events that came to this unfortunate situation. Was she unbalanced? Of course. Did he hold the knife? DUH. But... did he encourage an acceptance of violence? Is he responsible for his rhetoric? I believe so. Just drawing a parellel. If you'd prefer me to ask if rapists reflect badly on women I can do that instead. Is a woman responsible for her rape? Of course not. But... she is unwise if she wears a short skirt in bad parts of town at night all alone.... She could have made efforts to avoid being in that situation. Now not all rapes are that easy to categorize... but personally having been raped / molested, I do accept my level of responsiblity for putting myself in harms way. Will I apologize to him for being an easy target? No. Nor should Obama apologize for her cutting herself to try to hurt his image... but he should look at what his actions were and relaize that he DID have some level of responsibility. No darling, it really is you that's wrong here. FTR, I am NOT your darling and the fact that you're stooping to just being patronizing and insulting is showing your colors.

McCain has set the tone for his campaign. Take a look at Snopes to see dozens of lies circulated about Obama, to the point that people at McCain's rallies call Obama an Ay-rab, communist, etc. McCain has only just started to correct this stuff, months after it has been going on. When a campaign sets (or goes along with) a tone of lies, innuendo and deceit, why be surprised if some campaign workers go over the top. It all reminds me of the 1972 election, CREEP, and the "White House plumbers". Am I really the only one here old enough to remember that? Mmmmm.... so jakee.... any comments here?

How has it shown him to not be striving for that goal? Or McCain? Or "what the fuck"? Obama - how has he countered the "get in their faces" comment? How has he tried to decrease the level of hate between groups? McCain - any public apology to the Obama campaign for the negative slant that his campaign did on his behalf? And looking at Kallend post #81, #101 and #117 - He seems to blame McCain... why aren't you comment on that like Shotgun did in post #115? "What the fuck"? EXACTLY The fact that some seem to think that this doesn't have to do with the political parties (EITHER AND BOTH OF THEM) Refer to my posts #126 and #128 And... "ignoring all questioning of my earlier position"?! What the hell do you mean by that? WHAT earlier position? I joined this thread at post #92. I have said since I first saw Kallend post (yes, I did read his post first - so I responded to that one) I was disgusted by the use of such news to sensationalize and sell a political party. If you're refering to post #103 - I did reply to that. Look at post #108/110. If you are refering to your baiting of the race card in post #121 - I'm not going to even start on a race discussion. If you are truly that racist to view this as such, that's your view on the event. Now... any other MAJORLY MAJORLY wrong statement that you want to make?

So... honestly, you don't see how that blinding belief in ones specific bipartisian party is a bad thing? People become polarized and the fanatism from BOTH SIDES limits thoughts and actions... or drives people to do truly crazy acts. And if someone truly think it's just Republicans, he/she is deluded by an almost religious like belief in "your camp." Why are there even "camps"? When was the last time that EITHER party offered a choice that would have been respected by the OTHER party? Why is the government (Congress, Politics, ect...) encouraging such discord? (ok... time to get out the aluminum hats...) Because they know that the President truly just draws attention away from those that hide behind the sceens and manipulate the "people" .... with the press, with the election, with emotion.... it's all manipulation. VOTE FOR ZAPHOD

That is a good point. Thinking of all this, an image of John Lithgow as Dick Soloman on Third Rock from the Sun comes to mind. WHY CANT YOU TOLERATE MY INTOLERANCE?!

I still believe that this situation makes POLITICS in general... and those that religiously parrot the views of EITHER particular party.... look bad. And this thread and it's counter "satire" thread and the MANY, MANY, MANY other threads that are so negatively slanted are not what the system SHOULD be. It is true that you will never make everyone love you, but as President, I believe that you should be able to have respect of the people. (and yes... I know that many will cut and paste that and spout venom about Bush... and others will counter with vile comments about Clinton.... and it will go back and forth) Maybe I'm wanting to live in an ideal situation... but I also want to believe in striving for that goal. All I'm saying is that this situation, the press, the outcry, the defense.... just is a disgusting image of politics at its worst.

Um, excuse me? Apart from the possibility that there are still a bunch of people out there that still think it's true why does Obama lose anything here? I think it does hurt the image of his campaign when someone hates you so much that they disfigure themselves.... even if it is because she is less balanced. It still doesn't look good. You tell me how it makes Obama look GOOD. I don't think the criminal actions of a member of "Nutjobs for McCain" has any effect whatsoever on Obama's image. And you're obviously entitled to that opinion. You probably believe in the any publicity is good publicity view of the media too. But personally I think negative publicity is bad and not that this was in any way designed or manipulated by Obama... a person hating you so much that she disfigures herself?! WTF! How many people carved big giant "W"'s on their face with their "hate" for Bush?

Nope. Although that would be a good dinner too (high in protein) None of that occurred last night. But I still had an excellent dinner

Um, excuse me? Apart from the possibility that there are still a bunch of people out there that still think it's true why does Obama lose anything here? I think it does hurt the image of his campaign when someone hates you so much that they disfigure themselves.... even if it is because she is less balanced. It still doesn't look good. You tell me how it makes Obama look GOOD.

Satire is certainly different from a thread started to _seriously_ imply that Obama was responsible for one of his supporters assaulting a woman who supports McCain. I'm all for subtly, however, having not seen this thread first and with the other one open.... both are as sad of a mis-representation. And honestly, one took an actual news story, posted it and linked it to a "camp". The other, for the sake of humor, mocked the death of an unfortunate by linking it to the other "camp." Both are bad but one does come across as a bit more tacky to me.

I went out with a friend of mine. (YEAH!!! No cooking!!) PATE MAISON VENAISON FORESTIER CRÈME BRULEE

Exactly. Both sides loose in this. But mostly that rather unbalanced woman is now possibly scarred for life for her political beliefs....... This whole situation is sad.

But it's looking like someone from the McCain camp started this off. Then, disgustingly, soo many conservatives allowed their hidden racism come out as they cheered for this to be true. Ummm... Are you intentionally ignoring the counter "satire" thread that someone from the "Obama camp" started? Oh... right. That's ok cuz it was [sarcasm]sarcasm[/sarcasm]

Just reviewing all these political threads....

I've heard that a lot of guys prefer a steak and a BJ. - but if you're not willing to be THAT good of a friend, maybe think about a cane. Or a pair of cheap bifocals. Or a book with EXTRA LARGE PRINT.

Lunch was salmon patties...

You're no Democrat...... Evil Nazi.

[whisper] pssst. Mine was sarcastic too [/whisper] Now share a cupcake before I call you a Hoarder.

Ah right, yes. Cuz that statement answers ALL the questions. Republicans are murders. Got it now. Question though.... ummmm..... ALL Republicans or just the murdering Republicans? And if ALL Republicans are murders, are ALL murders Republicans? I'm just trying to get the logic. Is this an "if and only if" statement or just some other law that is observed in x number of Republicans? (and finally .... I'm glad I'm not a Republican. Us Libertarians don't have time for all that murdering stuffs)

I'm kinda with you. I don't see how this is a "Republicans murder"?! Really. How do you suggest we classify all the Republican murders then? I actually hadn't seen the thread to which this was a satire for. I just saw this one and thought WTF? Cuz without the other thread, this one makes NO sense at all. It's not that I don't have a sense of humor.... rather, to understand satire, you have to know what the satire is in reference to. Everyone THINKS they have a sense of humor.

I'm kinda with you. I don't see how this is a "Republicans murder"?!

-even still, I ordered one for my niece.

You mean there is another type? WOW!! Learn something new everyday. (and note, there's NO make up in that high maintenance tongue)