GQ_jumper

Nope. You still offer no facts, only anecdotal comments. Quote I will see what I can dig up for you to show you where I got this from, I promise you this isn't just some assumption or fairy tale I have made up but a hard truth, with proper training women are physically inclined to be a far superior long-range shooter than a man is. I gather that is what you are looking for, if I interpreted your post wrong I apologize, and please let me know what it is that you would like me to clarify, I wasn't taking anything away from the contributions of female soldiers, just providing my opinion about them serving on teams such as mine. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Quote PERFECT ANSWER!!! Couldn't have said it better myself, when you are in charge, guess what, it's your fault, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, grab your sack and admit that you failed. True story or not the leadership here failed and there is no excuse History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

That was kind of how it came across to me but again being someone who has never been there I am very reluctant to judge. What seemd to stand out to me was the fact that his whole section was in agreement against him. Quote Obviously none of us were there and will probably nevr know the real facts, but this is what caused me to doubt this guy. When you tell YOUR SIDE of a story, if it's a story like this, you are probably going to tell it in a fashion that makes you look justified in everything you did, well this guy failed to justify his actions to me, even hearing him tell it I still doubt he made any right decisions. Usually if you listen to both sides of the story the truth lies soemwhere in the middle, and when you have a whole team saying one thing, and one guy making a weak arguent to justify his actions........ enough said History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

The very, very, very few women who can meet the standards (don't lower the standards, including the non-physical one like language training, for anyone!) and who want to go through Special Forces training will eventually be allowed. Very few men can make it through the training. Special Forces are being increased. At the same time, nearly a third of Navy SEALs are medically discharged due to damage to vertebrate from riding on their rigid hull crafts (search: OFT Stilletto M-hull craft). Additionally, not all guys who go through Special Forces training, remain or serve in Special Forces operations, e.g., I know an Army Ranger (COL) who now serves as Chief of Staff in a Pentagon office in which 3/4rds of the military officers have PhDs or MDs. His ability to lift, haul, or march is not relevant. The reality and relevance is that Special Forces training & experience matters for promotion, especially to General Officer (& perhaps, it should?). Quote Going to Ranger school and going through SF training are too completely different things. Basically any Infantry officer who wants to make it anywhere in a career has to have a Ranger tab, a few without slip through the cracks, but overall I find it a great course for Infantry officers. Everyone in the Ranger Regiment eventually goes through Ranger school, these guys are Rangers, the ones actually in the regiment, everyone else who has graduated the course is Ranger qualified. Like you said it does matter for promotion and that is why most officers go. As for SF training, completely different story, you go to selection and if you are picked you move to Ft. Bragg for 18-24 months for training, upon completion of your SF training you are sent to one of the SF groups, it's not like Ranger school where your unit sends you and then you go back to your unit with a Ranger tab. When you put an SF tab on your shoulder you do the job. And Labrys, to answer your question, if I remember correctly the Army Sniper school did the study on the trigger pull fact, any sniper instructor will tell you much the same thing, that a woman's naturally lighter trigger pull prevents her from throwing her shots. But again, they have to be trained right to use this ability, they are naturally given the tools to do it right, they just need to learn to use those tools. Hope that answers your question. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Check out the post fight interview on the UFC website, Tito has grown up a lot, his interview showed a lot about what kind of man he is. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

It's hard to really ort everything out having not been there, but usually it's safe to say that if everyone in the team are agreeing that this guy is a coward, it's pretty safe to say he is. there are even a few holes in his story. And thepart about leaving the one guy because he wanted to stay and fight, I call BS, I doub tit went down the way this guy says, and if it did, well guess what, you get to stand there next to your guy that won't listen and fight next to him, YOU DON'T FUCKING LEAVE A MAN BEHIND. Of course he is giving his side of the story after having ample time to sit at home and cook up his excuses for everything he did, he claims he went back to the vehicle to move it, that was after they had dismounted it and he had been right next to it in the first place, yeah not so much. In the US military you can be charged with cowardice, I hope the Canadians have a similar policy. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

You are mostly right on all counts, but let me add that the Army has proven that statistically, women are much better at shooting than men, they are uncannily accurate with a rifle. This would make them great as snipers. As a matter of fact, some countries habitually use women snipers, real bitches with rifles.Quote This is because women naturally have a lighter trigger pull, when they have all the training they're great, but on average actually they don't naturally have that ability. Also, who cares how much shooting ability you have if you can't use it, even the best shots lose everything when they are under pressure. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I answered no to the poll but like a few other people in here I think the answer has a few extra things to be considered. Do I think women belong in a combat zone, absolutely, they are soldiers too and they do their job well. Do I think women belong in jobs where their job description is more or less "to close with and kill the enemy", or on the same line, in a unit like that even if in a support role? No I don't, bringing women in would do many negative things there. First, as mentioned on here plenty of times there is the physical standard, there are many women out there in great shape, I have met women who have better cardio than me, and I'm sure there's even a few out there that could lift more(those one's scare me), but does anyone really think on average women can carry the same rucksack I do? I proved they can't, I was at a course on Ft. Benning one time and when it was time for a roadmarch the instructors gave us the option of choosing what to put in our rucks so long as they were full, walking around I watched every single woman(and a good number of the guys, which pissed me off), stuffing sleeping bags and pillows in their rucks, while I was grabbing everything heavy I could find and tossing it in mine, there was stuff strapped to the outside to make it heavier, two of my buddies had to pick it up and put it on my back. All of the women(except one or two) still had a hard time on this roadmarch and it was only a few miles, a lot of the men from support units struggled too I don't want to single out the women on this one, but my point is that if you want to put women in line units they have to meet the same standard, and apart from those few exceptional women who push themselves to be as strong as the men in line units they just can't do the same job. Team cohesion, this is the big one with me, the majority of my friends are women, I love them death and I spend as much of my free time as possible with them. However, when I am at work, I don't want them around, one of the reasons my team is so close is because when we go into work we are with "the boys". We can kick back, talk how we want, say what we want, the married guys get to let loose because they are away from the house, it's a blast. Take a woman and throw her in the mix and it changes the chemistry, I've met plenty of girls that can hang with the guys when it comes to talking dirty, swearing, drinking, etc. But the fact remains that it would force the guys to hold back, countless times I have watched a female soldier, swear, and talk trash, and act like she was one of the guys, but as soon as a guy says something that offends her, no matter how much she was one of the boys before she throws out the sexual harassment card and it's bye bye career for the guy, it happens all the time. Not to mention sexual tension that's added to this can tear the guys apart if a few have their eye on the same female, it's nature, it's going to happen. Like I said before, women definitely have a place in combat, and as we are seeing in Iraq they every so often find themselves in an engagement, for example, if they are on a supply convoy that gets hit, they are in the mix too, and from all the reports I get they perform great. But as for putting them on my team, I'm sorry no, I love spending my time off-duty with them, but when I'm kicking in doors I want to look over my shoulder and see my 210 pound buddy right behind me ready to watch my back, the one I know could toss me over his shoulder if I go down, or if someone gets the jump on me, I want the guy with me that can grab someone by the throat and rip them off me. One last thing, as for female pilots, I've worked with them, and have nothing but great things to say about them, they are every bit as good, matter of fact there's a fun little red-head who lurks around these here forums I jumped with at Dublin last year who happens to be an Apache pilot, I'd have no issue with knowing she was watching my back up there History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I have a feeling we are going to see Jardine and Tito in the future History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

yet another bullshit stopaged woohoo lol tito sits up and moves then they stop it nice call dumbasses Quote far from a BS stoppage, sure Tito may have been alive and kicking, but he wasn't moving, so the ref had no choice, he let it go on for a while because he could see Tito still concious, but eventually it gets to be too much. I wanted Tito to win more than anything, and he actually started to kick out right as the fight was stopped, he would've taken the second round as well and I have a feeling ifit had gone past the third, Chuck wouln't have made it. Tito showed so much skill on his feet, I was thoroughly impressed with his standup game and wanted him to win, I always love watching Tito fight, as Joe and Randy commented after the fight they had just seen the best tito ever in that fight. And to top it all off, he put on a shirt afterwards that thanked the troops, he's good in my book. and don't forget, all the people that want to bash Tito, while you're on here he's home with Jenna Jameson History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

IT'S HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

damn dude, have you just got a job as a pizza delivery guy. Make sure none of that hair falls in the pizza Quote hey now, pizza delivery guys are underappriciated, I used to be one, show some repsect History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I've been waitin for UFC 66 for uhhhhh, yeah, since UFC 65, and I get to go watch it at my favorite place for social gatherings, Hooters!!! I'll be bouncin there tonight so no fightin at my restraunt History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

It led to me trying to find my car after waking up at 2 in the aftrnoon, and speaking of which i still don't know where it is, seriously History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I annoy the shit out of a warrant officer on a daily basis, does that count History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'll do a write up on here how's that, I'll be watching it! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

drop me a PM with your questions bro, I've done a DITY everytime I PCS'd, and I always get hooked up pretty good History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

When guys brag about a number- reduce it by 3. When women mention a number it is generally reduced by 3. Quote no you got it a little wrong, when a guy says a number you DIVIDE by three, and when a girl says a number you MULTIPLY by three to get the real number, History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

You need to quit going to the places where all the soldiers go... Some places you have to beat them off with a stick - literally. Shoot me a PM next time your in NC. Quote well i'll be getting stationed there again when I get back from this next trip to iraq, so i'll drop you a line, weren't you at raeford though last time i was there, it was december first, i was the one with the black and red gear, jumping in shorts and a tshirt while everyone else was bundled up looking at me like i was out of my mind History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I think it's more what your feelings are towards that person than anything else, your heart will tell you that you're in a relationship, who cares what everyone else thinks History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I believe Bigjohn is reffing so ifit does get stopped I am goingto say it will befor a legit reason. Big John rocksQuote Agreed, I don't believe I've ever questioned one of his stoppages. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

GQ Jumper went in goin down. If only someone would have told him heshould start from a prone position, I bet he woudln't have broken his neck.Quote History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Well that ecplains a lot about you Quote ????? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

We're on the 4th post and the lefties have yet to step in screaming about how it was wrong of him to be "pacified" and we are infringing on his rights by detaining him, hmmm strange, must be the blizzard are something History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ya know it sux that he has to put his life on hold but he can't expect to get out of someting he signed, if we start letting people out of legally binding contracts whats next. Sorry you signed on the line now grab your nuts and live up to your committment History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower