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Black is good but it needs some red red to go with it!! Like mine. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Always wondered if it was our guys or the taliban shooting at him probably both!! I don't know if anybody here saw it but i believe it was O'Reilly who did a great commentary IMO on what caused people to vote for who they did, and i think he did a pretty damn good job of analyzing it. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I've heard a lot of people on hear mentioning that they liked a certain kind of suit because of the way the booties are constructed. the only RW suit i've jumped thus far is my bodysport, and i'm very happy with the booties on it. I was just wondering what it was that made the ones on each of these suits so different, and what exactly everyone likes about the different booties. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

for all you Relative Workers out there, what do you think the best RW suit is and why. I have a comp RW suit from bodysport and i love the way it flies. But i'm looking to buy a second suit and wondering if i might give another manufacturer a try. anyone input would be great. blues History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

thanks for your support, it means a lot History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

If you sleep soundly, knowing that your government is OK with torture and murder, then there is something very disturbing with that. our government doesn't condone murder and torture, that is why the guards at abu gharib were punished for their actions, and that is why this Marine is being investigated, to determine whether or not he was right in doing what he did History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

>>sounds like you REALLY need to review the Rules of Warfare again.. and talk to your leadership about some of the actions you seem to be advocating for soldiers..

if i thought a man was still an active threat, i feel i'd be justified in shooting him. if you look closely at the video you will also notice a bunch of clutter around the man that was shot, the Marine could have felt that there was a weapon hidden somewhere in there that the man was getting ready to use against him. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Oh that's right! We stopped calling them insurgents and started callign them terrorists, even though they were no such thing PRIOR to us invading. The fedayeen existed in iraq before we invaded, in fact they were a part of the government, they were the secret police that would find people who didn't like SH and would torture and kill their families. Last time i checked a terrorist is someone who kills innocents to further their cause. and now there are people detonating bombs in places where there are no soldiers, it happens all the time in baghdad, that is a terrorist act. they kill iraqis that help the americans, or hold jobs for the coalition, they kill relief workers who are there to simply help people. Insurgents and terrorists can be the same thing, an insurgent is just someone who comes in from another country to fight History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

sorry but i dont want anyone 'fighting for me' who is incapable of NOT engaging an unarmed combatant, and who [I]appears[/I] to execute with such callous disregard, the US military does not teach such values and if they are becoming common to the soldiers engaged in the current conflict, we are in a great deal of trouble..... engaging an unarmed combatant, unarmed combatant... let's look at that word one more time, COMBATANT!! Rules of engagement were drastically changed during somalia in 1993, when the Rangers found themselves being engaged by shooters laying in the middle of the street with unarmed people standing over them. Until then you were unable to shoot the unarmed people because they did not pose a direct threat to you. but after shooters like this started causing casualties the rules were changed to allow the Rangers to engage the unarmed people. The term given to such people was hostile non-combatants. Anyone who is directly helping those who are engaging you is fair game whether armed or not(while in a firefight). so armed or not a combatant is a combatant. so basically by calling that man a combatant you contradicted yourself. When a firefight kicks up anyone not involved heads for the hills, anyone still in the area is looking for trouble. So if there was a man in that building, a building that the Marines had been taking fire from and there was someone in there when they entered the building, they were there for a reason, if he was innocent why would he have been playing dead, the innocents always made sure it was known they were innocent by putting their hands up or indicating that they were unarmed and did not want to fight. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

In my mind everyone over there is a hero, people make mistakes, and sometimes the wrong decisions(please don't take this as me referring to what that marine did as a mistake or wrong decision, i still support what he did), but just because one bad thing happened that doesn't erase all of the other good things that have been done. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I wasn't trying to start a fire, or a fight, I was simply trying to get people to take a second away from arguing their viewpoints which they are all entitled to have, to say thank you. I wasn't picking a fight I was asking people to remember that even though we don't agree with what certain people are doing over there, or what the country as a whole is doing over there, men and women are still fighting and dying over there, regardless of what we think of them. So please out of respect for the people that protect our country, don't discuss that in this thread, I will be more than happy to discuss it with you anywhere else. But please leave this thread for expressing appreciation for sacrifice. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'd just like to remind everybody of one thing while you all argue the fate of this marine(Hero). He is a citizen of the United States, a country where one is innocent until proven guilty. give him the benefit of the doubt, you don't know what happened before that video, you don't know what his rules of engagement were, and what firefight lead up to that situation. Let the powers that be decide his fate. And remember regardless of whether or not his is right or wrong in this situation, he still volunteered to put himself in harms way so you don't have to. So while your sitting in your home in front of your computer completely safe bashing this young mans reputation, he is ou there fighting for you. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

QuoteHow can we repay our heroes?Quote By not calling the few bad apples heroes just because of patriotism. I feel the people who mix the few bad soldiers we have with all the good ones are doing a disservice to the great men and woman who are serving us all. I know what you are implying and who you are referring to. But please take that elsewhere, there is a thread set up right now, you know about it you've been posting in it, so please take that argument there, I'm not trying to start a fight here, there won't be any fighting in this thread. for simply volunteering to do the job they are all heroes. take care History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

The target was the restaurant in the middle of a residential suburb where some faulty intelligence had located SH and his sons. However the bomb didn´t strike the restaurant but a building block 100 yards away. At the end, it didn´t really matter where the bomb fell because both the restaurant and the buildings were full of civilians and SH was not anywhere near. We differ in what level of collateral damage is acceptable. You say that this is war and that any civilian collateral damage is regretable but okay. I see this as an illegal invasion and my my acceptable level of collateral damage is much lower than yours. 90% of the intel recieved in combat is wrong, and there is nothing we can do about it. We had good reason to believe SH was there and we acted on it. If we ignored every bit of intel that we thought wasn't 100% accurate we would still be looking for him. I can't even begin to count how many times i was sent into a home looking for insurgents and didn't find any. Also you mention that this is an illegal invasion and anybody who has been involved with this war is morally wrong. Well wait what other countries have been involved wiht this war. Uh oh guess your just as bad as we are. Our country just had the balls to finish what we started. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Those guys over there now and the ones getting ready to go actually do understand why they are there and what they are doing. You know I actually ran into a few soldiers over there who honestly didn't understand why we were in Iraq or what they were doing there. But regardless they continued to fight, and that makes you a hero in my book. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Men and women are going to die in wars regardless, no matter how much we try and avoid it there will always be a threat somewhere. But please don't say our troops are doing something unneccessary or fighting for a meaningless cause, that is very discouraging, and demoralizing to us. Please out of respect the people overseas don't use this thread to protest the war. Take a second away from your political views whether they be for or against the war and just give a simple thank you. I personally have recieved all kinds of gifts and thoughful gestures since returning from my first trip to Iraq but the one that meant the most to me was an Iraqi child thanking me for what I did. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

But then we invaded Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. That action has made us less safe. In what way has liberating Iraq made us less safe? Please explain. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Let's also not forget the families that support these soldiers. My family has always had my back and it kills me to think that every time I deploy my parents spend their night worrying if I'm coming home this time. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Is that a threat? By the way, that marine is not a heroe. If you think he is, it would be you who disrespects all your country heroes. It's not a threat its a guarentee, and that marine is a hero, he did what he felt he had to do so that he and his friends could continue the fight. I see how easy it is for you to talk all this trash about my Marines being so far away living in a cowardly country that backed out of the war. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

The average age of the military man is 19 years. He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either. He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm howizzitor. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk. He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march. He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one andwears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low. He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job. He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime. He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful. Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years. He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship andunderstanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood. And now we even have woman over there in danger, doing their part in this tradition of going to War when our nation calls us to do so. As you go to bed tonight, remember this shot.. A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I have been shocked by some of the posts I have seen in this forum lately. I have seen countless people disrespecting the men and women who are serving our country, passing judgement on them for doing things in the heat of battle in defense of their own lives, minimizing the sacrifice of these Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines because the war does not agree with their agenda or personal beliefs. Well guess what, some of the soldiers in this war don't believe in why they are there, some of them don't even know why they are there. But they continue to fight, day in and day out, thousands of miles from home in a foreign land filled with people who don't care what happens to them. Only to come home to people who appreciate their sacrifice even less, and look down on them for making it. Ladies and gentlemen whether or not you agree with this war you still owe it to the men and women serving in it to give them the respect that they deserve. They have made sacrifices far greater than you could ever imagine so that you may have the right to turn around and disrespect them for it. Thats right they defend your right to hate them, sounds kind of hypocritical for those who look down on them doesn't it. I would like to open a thread for people who would like to take a second out of their day to discuss the goods things our servicemen and women have done. Or to simply say thank you, believe me a simple thank you means a lot to them. Or if you would like to take a second to honor a fallen friend or comrade do it here. I would like to say thank you to all those i have served with. Daniel Methvin, who was in my platoon and was taken by a suicide bomber in Iraq, Edmunds and Stoneseifer who were in Ranger battalion with me and were killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, Private Stewart who was one of my soldiers now walks with only one leg due to a land mine in Iraq, Doug my former company SGM, he could've sat safely on the airbase doing his job but instead made every effort to come with me on missions because he didn't want his men out there in the fight without him, and mostly to my best friend and personal hero Logan, who is the recipient of a Bronze Star and Purple heart, we served side by side for three years, and unfortunately are now in two seperate units, Logan has suffered physical and mental anguish most cannot even imagine but continues to do his job without question, his friendship has helped me through meny hard times in my life just as mine has helped him, he is ten times the soldier I could ever hope to be. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

How many Iraqis support this Terrorist army? All of them? Half of them? The majority? . He's right I ran into very few people that didn't appreciate me being in their country. It just doesn't look that way because the pissed off iraqis make the better news stories. God forbid any news story would ever talk about acts of bravery and the incredible things that men and women have done over their and how much it is appreciated. that wouldn't be cool History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'm not sure what your opinion on guerillas in general is so please don't take this as a knock at you, but guerillas aren't always bad like people make them out to be. We wouldn't have taken northern iraq had it not been for guerillas. the peshmerga were guerillas, they were kurdish militiants, who followed our special forces teams against the iraqis because we did not have a large number of conventional forces in that part of the country. i've worked with the pesh and they are some of the most dedicated fighters i have ever met. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower