johnny1488

No there's the problem right there. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

But higher velocity increases the force your drag imposes, or something. The faster you go, the faster you slow down. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Its different on every canopy and you need to try everything for yourself. That being said. On most of the canopes I have jumped front risers does yeild a bit more forward drive bit a lot faster rate of desent. Might not be worth it unless you are completely standing still. Just a bit of semantics here, but pulling on your front risers only momentarily changes your angle of attack. What it does change is your angle of incidence, or built in trim. As far as the plane out after a front riser turn, it depends on the recover arc of the canopy, loading and rate and speed of the turn. A canopy with a short recovery arc very fell could "auto flare" after a hard front riser turn. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

It's kind of complicated, and different for each canopy. I have always thought that if you could ditch your weight 3/4 of the way through your swoop, a bit at a time, I'd imagine you could go quite a bit further than with all the weight. Weight increases speed, but also increases the stall speed of a canopy. But the short answer is fat = fast. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Get the the Ranch on a weekday, Brian so we can pull up at altitude, will you? Maybe I'll even put a jump or to on the new stuff, if you'll let me. (and if you'll build one over 100sq ft.) I did jump Jerm's Sam once and it was pretty nice. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Thats why I've got mine there. But I have gone on many a jump w/o an alti because of it being on my rig. ie Using my second rig or someone elses. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I'll bet it was just like the smaller ones. 4 brake lines to one cascade and they made one continuous for the openings. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Ok You have a good canopy over your head by your hard deck. Then... WHAM!!!! A jumper tears through your canopy at 1100 feet. What do you do? -----This isnt meant to be a flame, just putting up a situation that not everyone thinks of. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Here these might clear it up a bit. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I forgot to mention the difference is usually constant between 7 and 9 cells also. ie a 7 cell will not usually have the same glide ratio as a 9 cell. I think the performance canopy thing has to do with the other characteristics the manufacturer wants to get out of a canopy ie dive, recovery arc ect. They are usually made to build speed and this is probably easier to do with a steeper glide. All canopies also have a limit to their wingloading and Im sure when you go over it glide will suffer (which may have been the case with the diablo. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I am gonna go out on a limb and say (with no input, mind you) that all of the canopies that I have jumped have about the same glide ratio. Safires from 209-135 Crossfires from 169-109 VX 114-104 Now the rate of desent is way different, but thats not glide. I think the xfire vs the katana (glide) is a matter of trim. I personally think f riser pressure is also a matter of trim and partly from aspect ratio and over internal air pressure, but a designer (Brian, are you listening?) would have a lot better info than me on that. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I wear mine on my left hip/leg strap. And my audible is next to my ear. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I pull higher cause my canopy goes faster/to deal with malfunction/I love canopy flight. I absolutely hold Horizontal seperation above vertical. Vertical means nothing if there is horizontal. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Ususally depends on the DZ. I consider anyone pulling over 5 a high puller. Then again people have looked at me and said I pull high cause I like to pull by 4k. I can still usually beat them down though! Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Well they would definetly effect the opening if they were also pulled down and set with the others. Also note the fact that this is not the case on the sabre2 190 (ar any sabre2 for that matter) So I dont know if it was turning ability they were going for. I understand it is done for tandems. Openings need to be slow on tandems but you need to deflect a decent amount of the tail to get truns and flare, one solution is split brake line configuration. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Well you could leave that inner brake line attached to the others and set them all and it would turn the same. But by not having them attached you are pulling down less of the tail on opening and causing more air to have to fill the wing before it is open. And I dont know if I should have implied better or acceptable. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

VX 104 2.3:1 Damn winter weight. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

They can dissappear if you get yourself a sabre 170 but thats about it. I believe they were put in place to try to slow down and control the openings a bit. (from release, I believe, not an afterthought.) Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Eric Butts had a doosey and he doesnt mind showing the video (I dont think its online though.) He is pretty big, I've gotta say between 250 and 275 out the door. I dont know the size of the reserve, but it was a lineover kind of thing. Turns out the reserve was baldy out of trim IIRC. He was playing around filming his main canopy cause he had broken a steering line. I think at the time he only had 3 jumps on a 120 so he decided not to land it. He made some good video "bye bye Mr canopy" and dicked around for a bit, then chopped and had the mal. I have never seen anyone pull risers so far down. He was yanking on those things with everything he had and it righted itself at about 300'. He says he will never delay his EPs again. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I am a full time packer and have packed for a lot of people. I also never use a packer. Even when my GF packs for me I feel a little weird about it. (I always get amazing openings with her, and I still feel weird.) Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

During the huge blackout 2 years ago I packed in the dark in the great hall because the AC had been on before the power went out. The door was open so there was some light. Another packers son walked in and asked what I was doing in the dark. I told him and he asked "but what if you have to cut away?" When I came down under my reserve he had a pretty pale look on his face!! (Line twists that got way out of hand by the way.) I also forgot my glasses on that jump and was going to get out low (maybe would'nt have had the twists) but a tandem instructor had an extra pair and gave them to me. When I got down and went to give them back he said "No way, I dont want those anymore!!" And if that wasnt bad enough I had my second cutaway 10 days later. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Did you get the hip rings in the new location? Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Jyro from nz aerosports designed the original canopies. Icarus Canopies designs their own canopies since the original line was introduced. ie Crossfire2, Safire2, Omni ect. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I agree with dave on this that it should be stressed from the first jump that a clean landing pattern is completely necessary for whatever type of landing you are doing. It was also stated on here but I'll say it again. When it comes to swooping the first thing every jumper needs to learn is slow flight of the canopy. Before anyone even learns the first thing about how to swoop, they should learn how not to swoop, ie how to get out of a swoop. It all comes back to slow flight. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I have flown a lot of Icarus canopies at a lot of diferent loadings. I have flown Crossfire 2s at loadings from 1.3 to over 2.2. They fly great at a very large range of loadings. If your profile is indeed correct and you have 204 jumps, any knowledgeable canopiy pilots on your dz would not tell you you need to jump any canopy at a 1.6-1.8 loading. They would tell you that if you did, you would be putting yourself at great risk of injuring or killing yourself. You also state that you want the canopy for at least 2 years (350 jumps). 175 jumps a year loading a canopy at 1.68 let alone 1.8 is very high for a very expirienced jumper. Excuse me for being blunt but at 204 jumps you are not very expierienced. As far as the crossfire2 goes, my first one was loaded at 1.4 and flew great(I had a little over 500 jumps when I went to it). There is so much you can learn about canopy flight at a less dangerous loading. I hope you consider staying at a more conservative loading for a while. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome