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It's not a relying on it or not thing, just superstition- a Murphy thing! I believe in magic too, it works!

exactamundo my friend! All I was saying there was... I hate it when you have your own personal beliefs and feelings and when someone disagrees with you, they put you and yours down by asserting that "well, then you should just stop jumping... or... get out of the sport!" That is an all too popular substanceless put down. And if Mr. John had read more carefully by saying that I am in essence in complete agreement with him. They're just playing the jump on Annie and burn her at the stake no matter what.. game, but don't worry, I'm not talking it personally. I am too zen for that!

Good one Quade! I laughed and am still smiling! Wow, chill, Mr. Dude, such scrutiny! Any way since he wants to hear it from the horses mouth, yet again, and please no one get on my case for repeating myself, this is just to honor a request... I don't care if you jump with or without an AAD or even a parachute for that matter, and I don't care if you want to marry your cat either... off topic... Do as you choose! I am just saying for myself I wouldn't jump without an AAD- too Murfyesque. Also for those DZs who do want to require them, that puts a heavy expectation on people showing up out of the blue who may not be prepared to meet that requirement, so they should rent them to accomodate those without! Far be it for me to tell anyone to do anything, but you be sure to have a nice day, John! Tink

Thanks! I hope all those sceptics read this validation. I can just hear Bob saying that "I don't get into FAD things like computers...." stuff. That is so Bob! He is great isn't he! Definitely a skydiving icon everyone should have the privilege to meet some day! Eloy Annie! Rehab is for quitters.

Would love to, but apparently I've been banned! Can no longer go there. So I will just say "Good Bye" to Y'all! So Long, & Thanks for all the fish! It's been real! Tink

OK, now everyone who is here for the "Skydiving Underground", please avert your eyes for a moment while I talk to "JUSTSAYNO", who ever you are... I am just speaking to the "JUSTSAYNO" person... Gee, that was intense! I didn't like some of the stuff you said..., and I would protest that you don't seem to know me that well. But I do appreciate your support and encouragement which I did get out of your post on that other thread. I would however like to take a moment to defend my hostility toward and protest your defense of the monster in Reno... even the USPA knows what I'm talking about... they were horrified when they went up there after a recent death and found basically a bomb going off... luckily they put a stop to it, but unfortunately the USPA is not a government or legal institution, so all they could do was slap his hand and tell him to stop, which of course he just ignored since he was never a member of USPA to begin with 'cause he could never live up to their basic safety standards and requirements. I have tried to appeal to the local DA and the FAA with all kinds of support from distraught families who have been destroyed by the monster, but there is just this skydiving exclusion that makes it above and external to the law! Since people just expect skydiving to be dangerous, they simply refuse to look into matters of possible homocide or intentional malace. This needs to be addressed and stopped, and what better group to rise up to the occasion than the skydiving community itself, since after all that monster is using our sport as a weapon! It is so hard to right such a wrong all my myself. Had I been aware of the people who were harmed after I, I would have been able to lend them my expertise on the issue. As it was the only one who got anywhere was one lady, Carl Colip, whose husband was killed there in Reno. Apparently he cut away at 200 feet from a parachute that had blown up, the same one that had killed others, just sewn back together there after. Carol's husband cut away so high/or so low, since he was not even equipt with an altimeter, so he had no idea where he was or what he needed to do in his emergency situation, that would not have even happened to begin with had he been given an airworthy canopy! This very thing, having been equipt with unairworthy canopies, no altimeters, and inadequate emergeny procedure training was something that lead to the paralysis and deaths of many others at Instead SkySports. It made me sick to read reports about those incidents and talk to he families of the deceased and those people now paralyzed who blamed themselves for not knowing where they were in the sky, to know if and when to deal with emergencies that would not have even been an issue had they had reliable parachute material above their heads. It made me sad to tell them that it was not their fault for not being able to adequately judge the ground on their first jump, but that that is why anything that is not inherently built to fly with it's own internal guage depends on a thing called an altimeter, at least 'till they get a feeling for how to properly judge such an unnatural distance. Even with that acquired, people still depend on altimeters and even audibles to alert them to their altitude. This is not something that should be expected of a first time static liner! It just makes me so angry that people have the leeway legally to abuse our sport to be able to knowingly and intentionally commit homcide without anyone calling them on it legally! I don't care how much bullshit I get for standing up on this issue. Someone needs to, and I gladly put my neck out there for all those who were ignorant and vulnerable at the time thinking they were paying for and volunteering for what they thought was an actual, modern, safety conscious skydiving experience. Had so many of them known what they were getting into, they would have gladly driven the extra hour to go to a real skydiving facility like either "The Parachute Center" in Lodi or "Skydance Skydiving" in Sacratomatoe. Had they known to go there, many of them would be alive and mobile today. Something needs to be done to alert the public to the dangers of bad people mascarading as skydiving facilities. It makes me sad that people on this forum just attacked me personally rather than lending a hand and info and advice to help those who have been wronged by our sport, and who along with the authorities then blame our sport rather than the bad seeds out there who give our sport a bad name! OK, end of story.... I agree with everything you said, but me thinks you came down a little hard on me. I am not as far gone as that, and am quite cognisant of much of your advice. It was well put however. Just a little unduely harsh. Also, granted Carl can be hard to get along with, and he is not a spring chicken any more, but I think he is the handsomist man I have ever met, far more alluring than any 20 or 30 year old! And like they say, well, that just leaves all the more for me to enjoy! I am happy to be of service taking him off your hands to provide him all the love, adoration, and desire he could possibly benefit from. Lenny and I love and appreciate our man, forever and always! You guys who are interested in the Skydiving Underground and the experienced coaching they can receive through their participation there in can return to the discussion. Sorry about the aside. OK, end of story... Thanks for the positive input. I did manage to look beyond the negative to extrapolate the positive. I appreciate your support and encouragement. That is the end of the ublic servive announcement! Back to Carl and the Skydivig Underground... So there we were getting incredible coaching and...

My Dearest Sweet Lrac! I love you! You are my Sunshine, my only Sunshine You make me happy, when skies are gray, You'll never know dear, how much I love you! Please don't take my Sunshine away! I love you Sweetie! Ienna Ruoy

Thank You Flyangel2! That is so sweet of you to say! I think you're great too, and that I say and mean with the utmost sincerity! Luv-n-stuff Tink

What's the Dr, going to do? I might be better served stopping by the gun shot for some pepper spray or an AK 47!

Oh no, apparently she was asked to leave Chicago which is why she is there in Fl. now. Gee I hope I don't get flack for this post, but honestly, why should I worry. I am the one who was wronged in this situation?! I worry too much! Why should I worry about protecting the reputaion of someone who has been so belligerant? I will stand tall and make my assertions here, and maybe get some support. Indeed I will copy this entire thread and send it to the SO. I know it will piss him off, but Hell, I don't understand why he should support and protect her and not me! I have bitched about this all to him, and he just gets mad at me. NO fair! I wish my dead Sweetie, Shawn Gloyer, the pilot from Hawaii was still alive! He would never let a thing like this happen. He was far more considerate and had a heart of gold! To all you men out there... support your SO and her feelings! As per my SO, he actualy witnessed the girl commence her frontal assault, but just walked away to talk to some other young chick who wanted to move in with him with a young girlfriend of hers visiting from Spain. When I asked why he didn't stay and stand up for me he simply replied, "you have to fight your own battles" I didn't think that was fair since none of it would have even beem an issue had it not been for him to begin with. He was the source of the conflict! I think deep down inside it thrills him to have young girls fighting over him, and may even do things to encourage it, yeah, I know, sad, but true! Oh Poor ME! How do I get myself in these pickles, messed up with these kinds of dudes?

Oh My God, that's cool! Just to blow my own horn, since no one else will, I used to volunteer to dive in and clean that big tank at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I was one of the dudes, well chicks in the suits and surface linked hats talking to the public while feeding the creatures. They started that after a while, but first we all started out just vacuuming and cleaning the windows with suction cups. I also used to clean boat bottoms on SCUBA for the CA Commercial divers. There we left the tanks on the dock or in the skiff and used long huka hoses for air. That way our wetsuits' buoyancy provided us leverage. In those tanks though it doesn't work that way so you have to use a suction cup on the window to pull against! I also used to dive in the shark tank. You could always tell the new guys 'cause they were the ones looking over their shoulders all the time! That lucky chick Julie Packard went to the same all girls' schools I went to, Castilleja in Palo Alto, from which I was expelled, and Miss Porter's School in Farmington, Connecticut. We also both went to UC Santa Cruz. She majored in kelp, and I majored in Biochemistry. I was way into fish and reef tanks. The inside of my apartment was nothing but fish tanks, 3 300 gallon reefs (2 soft and hard coral, 1 agressive salt water fish incl. lion fish, and anenomies), 2 smaller reefs, (1 delicate creatures, the other an isolation tank), 1 100 gallon aggressive fresh water fish including African cyclids and catfish, 1 communal tank, 1 tank for crustacians. Entering my apartment was like going under water. I would friek out going to anyone else's house since they all seemed so static, pedestrian, and lifeless. The only difference between Julie Packard and me was that she had a rich Daddy who bought her her own aquarium, and mine was and did not, Boo Hoo! I need a rich Daddy to adopt me! Rehab is for quitters.

That is the cutest pussy cat I have ever seen in your avatar! Where on Earth did you get that picture? I copied it into my photos. It just makes me laugh and feel all warm and fuzzy inside!

You are so right! I had a sneeking suspicion, being Chicago she would use Roger Nelson's memorial as an excuse to go road tripping with him, so I begged him not to go with her long before it even happened when I first heard he had passed away. I didn't hear back from the SO for over two weeks, that told me all I needed to know. After he got back I asked him if he has seen her there. He said, Yeah, we drove up together. I was furious, but then he got mad at me in return. Somehow he doesn't believe it is a big deal, that she is just his buddy. I don't like it one bit though, but don't want to be the bad guy. Yes, I know I am a push over. But when you have it bad for someone, sometimes it is hard to make ultimatums that will cut you out, in case they take you up on the offer!? I know this girl isn't a direct threat in that I know he is too old for her and she prefers the young freefly types, but I still don't like their continued cameraderie. I feel squeeaed out, but if I say anything about it, the SO gets mad at me! I am too much of a softie and am not good with aggressive confrontation and ultimatums. I came from an educated, civilized family in shich tone of voice was of paramount importance. I guess I am afraid to put my foot down for fear of losing the man I love. I don't know how to demand more consideration without sounding like a demanding, jealous bitch!

What would you guys have done in that situation? What can I do now since she's still around a lot and is apparently now a "good buddy" of my SO and still causes problems for me in my personal life? Hey did you hear the one about the 2 peanuts walking side by side.....? One was assalted?!

I was assaulted in a similar way at a DZ by a girl who had a crush on my SO. I had never even met her before. She was new to the DZ and I had been away. On Halloween night she was sitting on my SO's lap with her arm around his shoulder grabbing at his crotch saying saying she wanted to "Suck his cock" Not knowing what to do or how to respond without starting some kind of confrontation, which I don't like, I just stood there shocked but didn't say anything! The next day at the DZ someone commented she was a hurricane! I said I just hoped she wasn't a home wrecker! This got back to her. The following day I was out feeding the DZ cat when she rode right up to me on some guy's lap in a golf cart, jumped out, grabbed me by the scruff of the neck, rumpling and even tearing a fine Japanese silk shirt of mine, slammed me up against the wall, stuck her other finger in my face and said, "Listen,--- is the most famous skydiver I know, and I will hug him and kiss him and have my way with him whenever, where ever, and how ever I want, and if you so much as say anything or bitch about it I will kick your fuckin' ass! She went on to insult me further." Even though she was clearly in the wrong for her behavior I just tried to calm her down, introduced myself, and tried to be her friend. I ended up giving her a hug. I knew that if I fought back, which I wanted to do real bad, it would only escalate matters and nothing good would have come of it. I am afraid of her and afraid of having her as an enemy. For some reason some guys and several around the DZ, and sometimes I fear even my SO, may respect girls like that in a fear sort of way. I don't get why violent people such as that girl sometimes command respect. It is the gentle ones who control their rage and personal issues who should be more admired. At the time of the assault I was understandably shocked 'cause I hadn't even met her before, and that was just the 2nd time I had even seen her! Since then she has wormed her way into the life of my SO as his "buddy"! She is known for doing drugs, sleeping around with spoken for dudes, wrecking relationships, and most importantly, beating people up! I am the kind of person who runs from confrontation! I don't know how to handle this situation. Maybe I should have called the cops for assault, but I know that would have just made me look like the bad guy at the DZ. I don't know what to do in that sort of situation. You know you want to stand up for yourself, and yours, but sometimes doing so can just make matters worse and make you look like the bad guy, just as culpable or even more so than the initial aggressor!

Sometimes it's fun to give into and exploit the fear thing just to accentuate the adrenaline. I have put my hand on my pilot chute and just stared at the ground thinking about exactly what is happening, just letting my mind really get into it! Then I take it down to a good 2 grand, watching the ground get increasingly larger, try to get a real sense of ground rush... then pull! Fun to play with yourself, your mind, and your internal body chemistry! Can get a real adrenaline high off it it!

TA DA! I found one, the only one on my computer small enough to upload! It was of a World Record 4 pt. 106 way in Cross Keys. I am in the 7:00 position in the blue suit with lime green grippers, next to Carl on my left in purple and Truet Miley in bright orange on my right! I got to do the hero slot last out of the cassa! Our quadrant was consistently built first before the others even got their second line built. We rocked! I am sooo cool! I just can't get over myself!

I would never jump without an AAD, have, but won't any more. It's just too much of a Murphy risk! Once I was at a boogie and my reserve was out of date-went to get a repack and the rigger said my AAD was over 6 years old and had to be sent back for a recheck. He said he could just take it out and I could jump. I said, NO WAY! He and everyone around gave me shit about how it should just be a backup, and if I'm too afraid of jumping w/out it, or doubt that I could respond to emergencies using all my other handles, maybe I shouldn't be jumping- I hate it when arrogant people make that assertion... well if.... you should just stop jumping! That's so lame! Anyway, Cpress was really cool, they sent me a new one next day air and I sent my old one back. All they charged me for was the new update, the in field cutter. I only misses a half a day! To all those people who think they're too cool to not want to jump without their AAD, everyone whould remember Tommy Piras- one of skydivings most awesome skydivers & folk heros- who did most of his jumping before AADs were popular. He got one, a cypress, but had forgotten to turn it on. In the plane he mentioned for someone to be sure to remind him to turn it on when they got down... Well, someone opened right under him on that jump, he fell through their canopy striking his head on their knee, and was knocked out. He came to just above the ground and pulled his reserve, but it was too late. He's gone now! Murphy is into aviation and hangs out at DZs/airports. In my opinion it is just too risky to jump without that life saving device. It's tragic to read the incidents in which an AAD would have saved their life. As per requiring it to jump at a DZ, I think a DZ has the right to make any requirement they want, after all it is a private business, and if you die, their reputaion is at risk. But since people may not all have one and may not be prepared to this requirement, and it would be a shame to be turned away unexpectedly after traveling there, etc... the DZ making that requirement should at least provide them to rent. You don't need to repack the reserve to put one in, but considering the Patrique DeGayardon thing, it might be wise. Who cares about the 100 bucks you saved if you're dead!

who is IIIIVVVVAAAANNNN? I would like to PM him so I don't waste everyone's time here with my problem. What is his profile name? How do I find him? Will he hold my hand?

I get scared doing so lows. Too much time to think of that ground coming up so quick! But it's fun to practice 90, 180, 360, 450, etc... turns, multiples of 90, stopping on a dime, then going the other way. My favorites are radical 2 ways. You can spin through those so fast you are huffing and puffing al dizzy when you open. Carl and I have our favorite: 360 one way to redock-360 the other way redock-cat one way360 to redocl to-cat on the other dude-360-to redock to closed accordian one way 360 to redock to closed accordian the other side to redock to the top. More simply put: round-360-round-cat-cat-closed-closed-round. But put a 360 between each posotion to redock on that same position before moving to the next formation. Quite a great, really fun drill dive!

Gee, a form letter?! I'm disappointed! And there I was all happy that you had written me my own special personal note from the debths of your heart! You know how sensitive I am... now I'm gonna have to go curl up in a corner and cry!

Rt.click from Windows Explorer file yields: -open (with hobie automatically) -add to zip -add to pilot DC-3 1.zip -zip & email Pilot DC-3 1.zip - Incoculate IT PE -email with Yahoo -send to -cut -copy -create short cut -Delete -rename -properties Hmmmm what else to do? Where else to turn? Anyone know?

Gosh it sounds so easy, I just think I have been hijacked! I open the Windows Explored file cabinet, go to the file, and rt. click- there is no open with option, just an open option which immediately opens in Hobie, the viewer. I have approached this so mnay different ways and suspect that hobie has somehow instituted himself as the only option. Even if I open it in Adobe and transfer it to a disk and try to open it, bon, voila, there is hobie opening it! That makes me mad that a viewer has infultrated my system. If I figure out how to rip him out by his wires, does my OS, Windows 98 have a way to open and view my photos without that viewer. I am getting mad! Am ready to find hobie at his house and blow it up, wait, you are not allowed to say stuff like that or the men in the coats will come and haul you away.... I've already been warned when I threatened to blow up my surgeon's house!

For all you VEGETABLEARIANS out there.... .. YOU KNOW PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO! In fact, some of my best friends are vegetables,... I mean plants!

Be Careful what you wish for, you might just get it!